haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 well he certainly didn't injure it backchecking. 5 LidsFan, Weezer, wings1110 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 Masturbation?! toews must have been out of town that day.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gizmo 21 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) This appears to be the same injury I had about a year ago. Scaphoid fractures are commonly misdiagnosed as sprains (as mine was), and surgery is common because there is limited blood flow through this bone (thus difficult to heal on its own). I assume the surgery he's getting is to drill a screw in there. It actually is plausible that this injury occurred during the late season/playoffs. I sat on a jury in a medical malpractice case that involved a scaphoid fracture. In this case the ER Doc missed the non-displaced fracture on the x-ray and diagnosed him with a wrist sprain, the radiologist caught it on the "over-read" the next day, but the hospital didn't contact the guy to tell him his hand was broken. After several weeks his "sprain" wasn't any better. He had it re-X-rayed and the break was found. By that time the bone had become slightly displaced and required the same surgery you had. We were told that in about 10% of these cases they fail to heal. In the case of the guy suing, the surgery failed and he ended up have to have his wrist fused to eliminate the pain. He was training to be a union electrician at the time and had to quit the apprentice program due to the pain and lose of hand mobility. Depending on how Kane's hand heals, it could impact his career. BTW, the most common cause of scaphoid fractures is a hyper-extending of the wrist backwards due to something like trying to catch yourself during a fall. Rollerblading and ice skating are two of the most common causes of these fractures. After the trial I started wearing my hockey gloves to open skates! Edited July 16, 2011 by Gizmo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 News of the World was all set to break this most recent chapter of "The Patrick Kane Story". However, things happened. Lucky for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) I sat on a jury in a medical malpractice case that involved a scaphoid fracture. In this case the ER Doc missed the non-displaced fracture on the x-ray and diagnosed him with a wrist sprain, the radiologist caught it on the "over-read" the next day, but the hospital didn't contact the guy to tell him his hand was broken. After several weeks his "sprain" wasn't any better. He had it re-X-rayed and the break was found. By that time the bone had become slightly displaced and required the same surgery you had. We were told that in about 10% of these cases they fail to heal. In the case of the guy suing, the surgery failed and he ended up have to have his wrist fused to eliminate the pain. He was training to be a union electrician at the time and had to quit the apprentice program due to the pain and lose of hand mobility. Depending on how Kane's hand heals, it could impact his career. BTW, the most common cause of scaphoid fractures is a hyper-extending of the wrist backwards due to something like trying to catch yourself during a fall. Rollerblading and ice skating are two of the most common causes of these fractures. After the trial I started wearing my hockey gloves to open skates! I did exactly that in the 90s when I was a kid. Rollerblading, tried to do some stupid trick, fell, and tried to catch myself. Broken wrist. Dad told me to "walk it off" so it actually went almost a week before a doctor saw it. But seriously, Kane sucks. Edited July 16, 2011 by hooon 1 Namingway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted July 16, 2011 I did exactly that in the 90s when I was a kid. Rollerblading, tried to do some stupid trick, fell, and tried to catch myself. Broken wrist. Dad told me to "walk it off" so it actually went almost a week before a doctor saw it. But seriously, Kane sucks. lets be real here i hate him as much as the next guy but he certainly doesnt suck at hockey, tremendous skill he has.....That being said hes also a tremendously big bag of ******. also hes more into blow than sucking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 17, 2011 lets be real here i hate him as much as the next guy but he certainly doesnt suck at hockey, tremendous skill he has.....That being said hes also a tremendously big bag of ******. also hes more into blow than sucking. Kane is an overrated *******. Toews, Sharp, Hossa, and Bolland are all better forwards on the Hawks alone. If he were a Red Wing, Kane would be competing for the #5 spot with Cleary, Hudler, Bertuzzi, and Holmstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 17, 2011 There was a thread going around earlier saying he was in rehab. Maybe he is. Pro players go in and out all the time and we as fans don't even know half the time. This could be a cover up. Some mini Eklunds said that about Ozzie a few years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IllinoisRedWingsFan 49 Report post Posted July 18, 2011 Kane is an overrated *******. Toews, Sharp, Hossa, and Bolland are all better forwards on the Hawks alone. If he were a Red Wing, Kane would be competing for the #5 spot with Cleary, Hudler, Bertuzzi, and Holmstrom. Scratch Hudler out and I'd agree with you. Also we met the unofficial quota of having one Hudler mention per thread. 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 I offer this because of a possible coupling of this story and the rumour that has circulated before this announcement. Yesterday's TSN OTR included an interview with Brantt Myhres, former NHL player and tough guy. If you are able to go to the TSN website and watch the interview, there's something he said, at about the 1:50 mark, that got me wondering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IrishWing19 6 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 For those of you who don't want to click the link and watch the video, he says that the NHLPA will have alcohol/drug rehab for a player covered by a fake injury report but he also states that he isn't 100% sure that it does actually happen. Yes, he contradictions himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 I offer this because of a possible coupling of this story and the rumour that has circulated before this announcement. Yesterday's TSN OTR included an interview with Brantt Myhres, former NHL player and tough guy. If you are able to go to the TSN website and watch the interview, there's something he said, at about the 1:50 mark, that got me wondering. @ the 1:50 mark: Unions are protecting the players, saying they have an injury, when in fact they are going to rehab... If no one magnifies the problem, it will not get rectified... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted July 21, 2011 I offer this because of a possible coupling of this story and the rumour that has circulated before this announcement. Yesterday's TSN OTR included an interview with Brantt Myhres, former NHL player and tough guy. If you are able to go to the TSN website and watch the interview, there's something he said, at about the 1:50 mark, that got me wondering. Typical NHL coverup bulls***. According to this, the NHL would rather save face for itself, then enlighten the public to a players illness. People get addicted to booze. People get addicted to drugs. Being a NHL player with deep pockets and lots of fans isn't going to help. Having a issue would be much easier to confront if it was public, rather than having an unknowing fan offer them a drink/whatever because of an NHL coverup. They might even support the player in their effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 Typical NHL coverup bulls***. According to this, the NHL would rather save face for itself, then enlighten the public to a players illness. People get addicted to booze. People get addicted to drugs. Being a NHL player with deep pockets and lots of fans isn't going to help. Having a issue would be much easier to confront if it was public, rather than having an unknowing fan offer them a drink/whatever because of an NHL coverup. They might even support the player in their effort. I agree with you. I especially do not appreciate being lied to about it either. Reporting fake injuries, and having entire articles written about fake injuries just shows a complete lack of integrity and honesty. But I think for them they see all the thousands of little kids in Kane jerseys at the United Center and don't want to deal with anything at all scandalous. Just sweep it under the rug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winger30 20 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 nah I think he was pounding the pud, polishing the one-eyed gopher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) They tried make me to go to rehab, I said NO NO NO, I won't GO GO GO Edited July 21, 2011 by Rivalred 1 vladdy16 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 21, 2011 If a player needs rehab, that is a personal problem for the player and is none of our business. For a normal, average, everyday person, the thought of entering rehab and having family, friends, coworkers, and people in general finding out is tough enough. For someone in the public eye, it is magnified a thousandfold. Not only do you have your boss, the chatty lady at the next work station, the librarian, and the church ladies looking at you differently, you also have total strangers judging you when they really know nothing about you except for a few sound bites here and there. It would be much easier for the player to go in anonymously, and then, after having dealt with the original problem, decide how to handle it publicly. The initial outing could be enough to drive a person away from getting needed help. If you've not been there, you have no idea. Our "right to know" does not extend to their personal lives. They may be public figures, but they are people too, and their lives and families are far more important than whether we'd opt to have them on our fantasy team. If they need privacy, they deserve it just like any other person; and being in the public eye, they need it more. 2 haroldsnepsts and Ricke71 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) If a player needs rehab, that is a personal problem for the player and is none of our business. For a normal, average, everyday person, the thought of entering rehab and having family, friends, coworkers, and people in general finding out is tough enough. For someone in the public eye, it is magnified a thousandfold. Not only do you have your boss, the chatty lady at the next work station, the librarian, and the church ladies looking at you differently, you also have total strangers judging you when they really know nothing about you except for a few sound bites here and there. It would be much easier for the player to go in anonymously, and then, after having dealt with the original problem, decide how to handle it publicly. The initial outing could be enough to drive a person away from getting needed help. If you've not been there, you have no idea. Our "right to know" does not extend to their personal lives. They may be public figures, but they are people too, and their lives and families are far more important than whether we'd opt to have them on our fantasy team. If they need privacy, they deserve it just like any other person; and being in the public eye, they need it more. Person's going to have to have their feelings hurt to deal with the situation. They are public figures and role models. Lying to cover up just doesn't work for me. If it's public enough for your co-workers and the librarian to know, and your a public figure.... Edited July 22, 2011 by CaliWingsNut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 22, 2011 Person's going to have to have their feelings hurt to deal with the situation. They are public figures and role models. Lying to cover up just doesn't work for me. If it's public enough for your co-workers and the librarian to know, and your a public figure.... If misleading the public makes it easier for a player to get help for his substance abuse problem, it seems like it's for the greater good to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted July 22, 2011 If misleading the public makes it easier for a player to get help for his substance abuse problem, it seems like it's for the greater good to me. That's just my point. It's not. It maybe emotionally for the person, but it won't be by any means when it comes to drinking outta the cup (or any other situation where booze or drugs are involved). If it's kept quiet, there WILL be situations where they have to turn down things they mentally likely aren't ready to turn down. The people I have met who have defeated, or at least somewhat successful are proud of their accomplishments. Sweeping things under the rug just makes it easier to slip back into their old comfortable ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) If misleading the public makes it easier for a player to get help for his substance abuse problem, it seems like it's for the greater good to me. That's pretty much what I was getting at. It could be a temporary thing. They don't need to put a big story with it. "Upper body injury" works just fine. Once a person's been through the rehab, then that person can choose how to handle the public, hopefully with a clearer mind. These are athletes we're talking about, not world leaders. If <insert politician here> was showing up to lead the nation half-wacked on coke, I'd want to know about it. Their decisions have the power to affect changes that effect my daily life. If <insert athlete here> gets stoned in the off-season, it doesn't effect my life enough that I need to know about their care. It would only effect my life if I (or a loved one) was on the wrong end of a collision because they were DUI. In that case, getting them treatment is for the greater good. EDIT: Just read your post, Cali. You have a point there about people offering alcohol etc. if they don't know. Once a person is through with the initial program and is maintaining their sobriety, they are usually more willing to talk about it, and have learned/are learning ways to decline the substance. The cover-up is for getting them into the program. For some people, the opinions of others can be a huge block. Edited July 22, 2011 by 55fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 22, 2011 If a regular Joe like you or I can get help and it remains private, a person who is famous should have the right to privacy also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 22, 2011 That's just my point. It's not. It maybe emotionally for the person, but it won't be by any means when it comes to drinking outta the cup (or any other situation where booze or drugs are involved). If it's kept quiet, there WILL be situations where they have to turn down things they mentally likely aren't ready to turn down. The people I have met who have defeated, or at least somewhat successful are proud of their accomplishments. Sweeping things under the rug just makes it easier to slip back into their old comfortable ways. whether it is or not isn't really for you to say. And I'm not talking about how they ultimately deal with the substance abuse problem overall, I'm talking about specifically getting them into a program. Because I'm guessing a professional hockey player may be more reluctant to have a problem go public because of potential negative consequences on their career. Keeping it quiet at first seems like it would make it easier for a player to accept treatment. Ultimately it has to be an open acknowledged thing for it to be a success. But even then it doesn't mean they have to tell hockey fans. As much as it sometimes seems otherwise, we don't have personal relationships with these guys. And those are the people they need to tell, the ones close to them, not us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autika 34 Report post Posted July 23, 2011 I think he was just killing kittens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) They tried make me to go to rehab, I said NO NO NO, I won't GO GO GO Ok, a little off topic, but I didn't realize 2 days after I posted this that Amy Winehouse would be found dead. http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/23/seymour.winehouse/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 Edited July 24, 2011 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
