Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 If you follow twitter, you will notice that the entire hockey world is shocked how things are going down with Shea Weber and the Preds. First off, is the fact that the salary number is 4 million off between the two sides. Second is that Weber wants out apparently. Third is this notion that he WON'T be UFA next year but it will take two years... and finally is how much this means to Nashville... I thought a thread for this would be nice. Moreover, I want to know how someone who is 27 next year isn't going to be UFA. Doesn't the CBA clearly show that he must be UFA... they are saying that he hasn't played enough games one year... and I don't think that really is affects his UFA status. I must be right... because no one brought this up until just now... so is this some obscure rule that I haven't heard used before now that the Nashville lawyers dug up or a mistake... Anyone have anything else to add? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I guess Capgeek says because he is 27 in August and they go by your age on June 30th (which is the first time I have heard this before) You get stuck another year?!?! What kinda bs is that? I sure would be mad if I were him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I guess Capgeek says because he is 27 in August and they go by your age on June 30th (which is the first time I have heard this before) You get stuck another year?!?! What kinda bs is that? I sure would be mad if I were him. If an arbitrator rules in favor of Weber, let's say, at a price that Nashville doesn't see fit - would they likely trade his rights? I'm not terribly familiar with matters of arbitration and the like. Does the arbitrator basically rule on a monetary number for yearly salary and leave the contract negotiations up to the player and team from there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 If an arbitrator rules in favor of Weber, let's say, at a price that Nashville doesn't see fit - would they likely trade his rights? I'm not terribly familiar with matters of arbitration and the like. Does the arbitrator basically rule on a monetary number for yearly salary and leave the contract negotiations up to the player and team from there? Whatever the arbitrator rules in the end, if the club decides not to go with it, Weber becomes UFA. Basically, the team walks away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 13GoWings40 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I don't think you can trade someone after arbitration. The way I understand it is you either accept the contract or reject it, in which case the player is a UFA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stinky fish taco Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I guess Capgeek says because he is 27 in August and they go by your age on June 30th (which is the first time I have heard this before) You get stuck another year?!?! What kinda bs is that? I sure would be mad if I were him. they have to set the cutoff date somewhere. the day before free agency makes the most sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 Whatever the arbitrator rules in the end, if the club decides not to go with it, Weber becomes UFA. Basically, the team walks away. And since he is RFA, if the team likes what the arbitrator rules - he will be forced to re-sign? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I guess Capgeek says because he is 27 in August and they go by your age on June 30th (which is the first time I have heard this before) You get stuck another year?!?! What kinda bs is that? I sure would be mad if I were him. The age rule has been there all the time. It even affects 35+ contracts. Your age is recorded as your age at the beginning of the league year, which is July 1st. Also, free agency is currently 27 years old OR 7 accured seasons. Sounds like he isn't qualified for either. http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl_2.htm And since he is RFA, if the team likes what the arbitrator rules - he will be forced to re-sign? Basically, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 According to the Twitterverse, Nashville is offering something around 4.5. Seriously??? No wonder it had to go to hearing, which is the first time in NHL history that a team-requested arbitration did so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 NHL arbitration rules: http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl_2.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I'm not sure what the big deal is. He'll get a 1 year deal in arbitration, probably in the $6M-$7M range, and Nashville will accept it. That gives Weber another year to see if the Preds are willing to spend to get some talented forwards. If they fail to improve their forwards, Weber will hope for an offer sheet next summer since the team can't force him to go to arbitration again. If they do improve, Weber signs long term and hopefully Suter becomes available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 if Weber gets a number that the Preds won't give him....I don't care what it is, i hope the Wings give him an offer. 4.5 is insulting. the guy was just runner up for the Norris! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 If Nashville walks away from Weber and Holland doesn't get him signed. I think LGW.com will have a meltdown.... 14 Z and D for the C, Motown4013, Hockeymom1960 and 11 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stinky fish taco Report post Posted August 2, 2011 there is exactly zero chance that nashville walks away from the arbitrator's decision. let's be realistic. 4 Travis, F.Michael, Nightfall and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I don't think you can trade someone after arbitration. The way I understand it is you either accept the contract or reject it, in which case the player is a UFA. You can accept it and then trade the player, but you cannot trade their rights. As far as I understand it. The age rule has been there all the time. It even affects 35+ contracts. Your age is recorded as your age at the beginning of the league year, which is July 1st. Also, free agency is currently 27 years old OR 7 accured seasons. Sounds like he isn't qualified for either. http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl_2.htm Basically, yes. Yeah... but he is 27 next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 42 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 EJHradek Weber not eligible 4 UFA status next summer cause he didn't meet the 40-game standard for accrude NHL season in 05-06. He was 12 games short Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 and Kenny sits and waits, hes smarter than we thought after all 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingZNut13 99 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 and Kenny sits and waits, hes smarter than we thought after all I'm sorry....not way he gets signed. I hate to burst ya bubble bud. I would love to have him in the Winged Wheel but I just don't think it's ever going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 there is exactly zero chance that nashville walks away from the arbitrator's decision. let's be realistic. I think this is the first time you and I have agreed, but this is completely true. An arbitrator will award almost certainly less than what Weber and Co. are pushing for. If Weber's camp is pushing for $8.5, its doubtful the judge rules for anything higher than $8....which Weber is certainly worth . Anything less and NSH makes out like a bandit because they get 2 more years of his services worry-free before renegotiating long-term. NSH's POV right now is why waste money the next 2 years when the judge will almost certainly save them some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 I don't think he will be anything but a predator next season or two... I was just saying if out of some sort of miracle he wasn't and Holland didn't get him a lot of LGW would want his head lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 That new Nashville jersey would make me want to play somewhere else. 2 LidsFan and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 Where did anyone hear he came out and stated he didn't want to be in Nashville anymore? That would probably be the first time in many moons where a player stated he wanted out prior to an RFA/UFA deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Where did anyone hear he came out and stated he didn't want to be in Nashville anymore? That would probably be the first time in many moons where a player stated he wanted out prior to an RFA/UFA deal. I don't think anyone's seen it in writing as having been said by Weber. Outside of the fact that it'd be terribly unprofessional, I'd imagine it would damage his standpoint in the arbitration hearings since his team could argue against him by claiming he's just inflating his asking price to leave. It seems to be the general consensus, though, that Weber wants out. Edited August 2, 2011 by Travis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 2, 2011 and Kenny sits and waits, hes smarter than we thought after all What were his other options? No team was eligible to send Weber an offer sheet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nhurdi 42 Report post Posted August 2, 2011 The Predators will have to accept the contract no matter the terms because by filing for club-elected arbitration, they prevented other teams from signing Weber to an offer sheet this summer but also forfeited their rights to walk away from the arbiter's ruling. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=585603&navid=mod-rr-headlines A couple other things in the article but it does clear a few things up I think. 1 CenterIce reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites