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Shanahan didn't bolt. He clearly said that he felt he was more associated with Detroit's past and that it was time for Datsyuk and Zetterberg to take over as the leaders of the team. I have no problems with the way he left.

Back on topic, Weber's $7.5 million is the largest arbitration award in hockey history. Wonder what Nashville does with it.

Shanahan was covering for "I want to be the guy and not an afterthought, and with these guys here that isn't going to happen." If his statement was true, he would have stayed and taken on a secondary role; not left. It's like saying "Chris Osgood asked Ken Holland to trade for Hasek because he was sick of the pressure, and wanted out. And then he came back because he realized how good he had it." Ridiculous.

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Shanahan left as he was going to see a reduced role the following season after having scored 40 goals. It's a somewhat logical decision on his part.

Fedorov was more or less kicked out. While it's true he left via free agency, he was basically told by the organization putting an offer on the table and then reducing the term before he could actually accept. The Wings basically pulled a "Down low, too slow!" on him. Not cool.

Hudler's situation can't really be called bolting because he signed with a European league during an arbitration process, and the Wings retained his NHL rights and a contract was decided. Hudler's move wasn't far off from Shanahan's; he had just scored 57 points and still wasn't likely to see better than third line ice time soon. While the move didn't work out in his favor, the idea of leaving a bottom-six spot in the NHL to be a star player in the KHL, and then return a year later thrust into the top-six has worked for other players.

Marty Lapointe simply left because he was vastly overpaid by another team.

Tomas Kopecky left a fourth-line role in Detroit for a top-six role on a Cup contender in Chicago.

Wow... I've never seen it put like that before, but I actually agree with you.

I'm still a little bitter with how Shanny left, even though I love him, but I understand why he left.

I still contend that Hudler leaving was a good thing as it freed up cap space for us to fill out our roster.

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Shanahan was covering for "I want to be the guy and not an afterthought, and with these guys here that isn't going to happen." If his statement was true, he would have stayed and taken on a secondary role; not left. It's like saying "Chris Osgood asked Ken Holland to trade for Hasek because he was sick of the pressure, and wanted out. And then he came back because he realized how good he had it." Ridiculous.

He wanted to be "the guy," so he signed with a team with Jaromir Jagr on it?

With Yzerman retiring and Shanny coming off a 40 goal 81 point season, he very much still would've been "the guy" on the Wings as much as if not more than with the Rangers, given that Z and Datsyuk are certainly going to share the spotlight more than Jagr.

I believe him when he said it was an instinct. It was the end of an era and I'm sure he felt he was in the twilight of his career. New York also made sense given his involvement in working with the league to improve the game.

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I have a feeling Weber will be just fine with or with out Suter.

That "source" is worst than Eklund and 0% reliable.

Agree with the Weber being fine without Suter.

I didn't know that source wasn't reliable, someone suggested following it on here.

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He wanted to be "the guy," so he signed with a team with Jaromir Jagr on it?

i'm sure eva will find a way to twist that to fit his own personal views

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Hudler was not quite an aging veteran.

As far as 'future HHOF,' we'll see how well Weber does without Suter.

I think Konnan meant in general......with the aging veteran comment. You need not pick the one dude that does not apply.

Also, perhaps it is just me but if you listen to interviews from Kenny and other Red Wings management, I think Hudler leaving was a decision made by Huds AND by the organization. The Wings desperately needed capspace and were trying to squeeze Franzen and Hossa into the roster.They allowed him to go to the KHL to try and sign Hossa, allow Hudler to get more icetime and hone his skills without losing him to an NHL team with bigger pockets.

They cant state this as fact but his presense on the team speaks volumes about what really went down. The Wings, moreso than any other organization rely on classy, honest, decent people in the lockerroom...they expect the kind of class that management shows to them. If Hudler treated the organization like that, I dont think he would be back..and God knows Babs would have blasted the guy. Nobody talks about the possibility of this happening because everyone hates the guy but just some food for thought..

As for Weber...he will be fine on the blueline if Suter leaves. Larry murphy was a HOF D-man and from the looks of theings, that appreared not to hurt Nicklas Lidstrom!

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Shanahan left as he was going to see a reduced role the following season after having scored 40 goals. It's a somewhat logical decision on his part.

Fedorov was more or less kicked out. While it's true he left via free agency, he was basically told by the organization putting an offer on the table and then reducing the term before he could actually accept. The Wings basically pulled a "Down low, too slow!" on him. Not cool.

Hudler's situation can't really be called bolting because he signed with a European league during an arbitration process, and the Wings retained his NHL rights and a contract was decided. Hudler's move wasn't far off from Shanahan's; he had just scored 57 points and still wasn't likely to see better than third line ice time soon. While the move didn't work out in his favor, the idea of leaving a bottom-six spot in the NHL to be a star player in the KHL, and then return a year later thrust into the top-six has worked for other players.

Marty Lapointe simply left because he was vastly overpaid by another team.

Tomas Kopecky left a fourth-line role in Detroit for a top-six role on a Cup contender in Chicago.

Samuelsson?

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I think Konnan meant in general......with the aging veteran comment. You need not pick the one dude that does not apply.

Also, perhaps it is just me but if you listen to interviews from Kenny and other Red Wings management, I think Hudler leaving was a decision made by Huds AND by the organization. The Wings desperately needed capspace and were trying to squeeze Franzen and Hossa into the roster.They allowed him to go to the KHL to try and sign Hossa, allow Hudler to get more icetime and hone his skills without losing him to an NHL team with bigger pockets.

Wrong. Franzen was signed already. Hudler vacillated and took the Wings to arbitration. Then he bolted for Russia. In the meantime, Hossa signed with the Blachawks. By the time Hudler decided he'd rather play in Russia, there were very few free agents left. That's a shame, because the last two FA classes have been very weak, and the one in 2009 was not.

They cant state this as fact but his presense on the team speaks volumes about what really went down.

They can't state it as fact because it isn't true.

As for Weber...he will be fine on the blueline if Suter leaves.

That's a very arbitrary statement, given the huge drop in his production and +/- whenever Suter was out of the lineup and given the general speculation in the hockey world on how much Suter's performance plays into Weber's success.

Larry murphy was a HOF D-man and from the looks of theings, that appreared not to hurt Nicklas Lidstrom!

I don't understand what this means.

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Wow... I've never seen it put like that before, but I actually agree with you.

I'm still a little bitter with how Shanny left, even though I love him, but I understand why he left.

I still contend that Hudler leaving was a good thing as it freed up cap space for us to fill out our roster.

Hudler stays, and Detroit doesn't sign Bertuzzi or Williams. Instead, the remaining forward spot is filled by a fourth line grinder or not at all. If we assume the KHL excursion to be the cause of Jiri's problems last year, which is implied by his resurgence in the second half (he was 3rd on the team in scoring after the midway mark) then we could rightly assume that his performance in 2008-09 would have carried over to 2009-10. Which would have helped the Wings more than the combined contributions of Bertuzzi and Williams. And development of Hudler in an NHL environment that year would have led to an even greater help this past season.

So Hudler leaving did not help the team, except in the cap space department.

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Where did anyone hear he came out and stated he didn't want to be in Nashville anymore? That would probably be the first time in many moons where a player stated he wanted out prior to an RFA/UFA deal.

People assumed that when he says he wants a short term deal, that means you want to get out of dodge.

Well, lets wait for Suter. Weber is amazing but when Suter got injured Weber didn't play that great, I think Suter is the better defensive defensemen between the two.

NHLSourcesSay says the Red Wings are high on Suter and will be at the front of the line for him.

Even at the deadline, we'll be unlikely to pick up such a good defenseman from a divisional rival.

By that point it might be decided the Wings won't be in division anymore.

Honestly though, with another year RFA there is no way he is getting moved this year. I had no idea that the rules make him the first 27 year old I noticed to not have his UFA when turning 27 before the season starts.

Weber now has the highest cap-hit of any defenseman in the league.

What happened to Campbell having a cap hit of 8.2???

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What Weber’s contract means

Surprisingly, all parties involved in Shea Weber’s contract negotiations did not (at least publicly) sound upset about Weber’s one-year award for $7.5 million. In fact, they sounded strangely more confident that a long-term contract could eventually be reached with the Norris Trophy runner-up.“Obviously nobody wants to come to that, but it is what it is. We have something in place for now, and hopefully that can allow us some more time to get something longer term done,” Weber said. “This is a temporary solution. I love it in Nashville. I love my teammates. I love the fans and the city. This is what we have for right now, and we’re going to go from here.”

General Manager David Poile’s voice sounded slightly upset that an accord could not be reached, but still seemed hopeful that the Predators and Weber could eventually come to a deal. Weber is not an unrestricted free agent until July 1, 2013.

“I’m not pessimistic, I’m optimistic we can get a longer term deal done,” Poile said.

Poile admitted that he was worried that the $4.75 million salary number he submitted to the arbitrator would insult Weber. But his captain said he understood it was just the part of the business.

“Obviously they’re trying to get the best deal they can,” Weber said.

So what does this all mean? For starters, it means that Weber will probably be a Predator next season, though for a pretty hefty price. He was given the largest arbitration award in NHL history and will be the highest paid player on the Predators next season. Weber is the top paid NHL defenseman in terms of salary cap hit, and the fifth-highest paid defenseman in terms of real dollars.

Though Poile sounded confident that he could eventually land Weber for a longer-term deal, this one-year award could make it tough.

Weber will make $7.5 million next season, and will probably get a raise next summer. Depending on what happens after the collective bargaining agreement expires in 2012, Weber may be able to command upwards of $9 million by the time he hits UFA status. For argument’s sake, if Ryan Suter — an unrestricted free agent next summer — asks for a deal similar to Weber’s, and Pekka Rinne — also a UFA next summer — asks for a contract in between $6 million and $7 million, the Predators could end up with more than $22 million locked into three players. This is all speculative, but Weber’s deal may have increased the worth of not one, but three players to the Predators.

At the moment, the Predators are barely above the $48.3 million salary cap floor at $48.7 million. In Wednesday’s teleconference, Poile hinted at a desire to acquire a top-six forward — something he has said since the end of the season. With the free agent market bare, that would have to be via trade.

After Nashville’s Game 6 loss to Vancouver, Weber said he believed the team needed more offense. Canucks forward Ryan Kesler single-handedly took over that series with 11 points in the six games. Nashville had no real answer. So far this offseason, Poile has yet to heed his captain’s words. Niclas Bergfors was a nice pickup, but probably not exactly what Weber envisioned for a team that finished 21st in goals scored last year. The Predators were also unable to come to terms with all their unrestricted free agents (Nashville opted not to negotiate with Steve Sullivan and Shane O’Brien) and Weber’s childhood friend, Cody Franson was traded as part of a salary dumping move. The Predators have subtracted more than they’ve added this offseason.

Columbus did a nice job appeasing its captain, Rick Nash with two splashes. The Blue Jackets acquired James Wisniewski and Jeff Carter. We don’t know if these will work out long-term, but at least for the short-term, they satisfied Nash — the face of the franchise. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet short-term to appease your franchise player. With all their cap space, it’s a good bet to believe the Predators are positioning themselves to make a move, but it’s tough to know when Poile will strike.

The moral of this whole situation is as follows. The Predators kept Weber, and that’s highly important. Feelings were not hurt, and Weber maintained his desire to stay with the Predators. But there’s still a lot of work to be done.

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$7.5 mil for one year. He wanted $8.5 mil. If he thinks he is worth that much, he's got a serious problem. Think you're God's gift to hockey, fella? Well, you just proved that God has a good sense of humor.

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Wrong. Franzen was signed already. Hudler vacillated and took the Wings to arbitration. Then he bolted for Russia. In the meantime, Hossa signed with the Blachawks. By the time Hudler decided he'd rather play in Russia, there were very few free agents left. That's a shame, because the last two FA classes have been very weak, and the one in 2009 was not.

my point was that they wanted BOTH Hossa and Franzen and everyone knew that.

I don't understand what this means.

This means that a world class defenseman can play and be effective with any solid player....see Lids as an example. His play didnt drop off when "the better" defenseman left. Although Weber hasnt won a Norris yet, he has been a runner -up and recognized as a top 5 d-man in the league. You are right...we don't 100% know if he can do it without Suter, but it looks like the league and his peers think he can.

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$7.5 mil for one year. He wanted $8.5 mil. If he thinks he is worth that much, he's got a serious problem. Think you're God's gift to hockey, fella? Well, you just proved that God has a good sense of humor.

In arbitration the player usually requests above his value and the team usually requests below the player's value. If Weber's wish is offensive, the Preds number was worse IMO.

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Did anyone else (who follows twitter) get the tweet last night from @NHLSourcesSay saying "Predators Ryan Suter receiving plenty of interest around the league, he's high on the Red Wings radar/will pursue if becomes available"

...sorry if this was covered already, but damn this makes me very excited! :yowza:

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Did anyone else (who follows twitter) get the tweet last night from @NHLSourcesSay saying "Predators Ryan Suter receiving plenty of interest around the league, he's high on the Red Wings radar/will pursue if becomes available"

...sorry if this was covered already, but damn this makes me very excited! :yowza:

Yeah that would be awesome, but I almost know for sure now we are not getting Suter. When articles like "Red Wings interested in Suter" start popping up other teams start planing ways to f*** us. They have a while to do so as well which doesn't help either.

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my point was that they wanted BOTH Hossa and Franzen and everyone knew that.

I don't get what your point is.

This means that a world class defenseman can play and be effective with any solid player....see Lids as an example. His play didnt drop off when "the better" defenseman left.

Lidstrom is the best in the world and arguably the best defenseman of the modern hockey era. Weber is not Lidstrom. It has been suggested by many that his excellent offensive numbers are made possible by the defensive prowess of Suter. Weber's numbers when Suter was not in the lineup were not good at all.

Although Weber hasnt won a Norris yet, he has been a runner -up and recognized as a top 5 d-man in the league. You are right...we don't 100% know if he can do it without Suter, but it looks like the league and his peers think he can.

No, the jury is still out.

What happened to Campbell having a cap hit of 8.2???

His cap hit is $7,142,875.

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I'm not sure what the big deal is. He'll get a 1 year deal in arbitration, probably in the $6M-$7M range, and Nashville will accept it. That gives Weber another year to see if the Preds are willing to spend to get some talented forwards. If they fail to improve their forwards, Weber will hope for an offer sheet next summer since the team can't force him to go to arbitration again. If they do improve, Weber signs long term and hopefully Suter becomes available.

It's funny how everyone who doesn't understand how arbitration works throws that out...team ALWAYS goes low and the players ALWAYS goes high.

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Im just hoping the nhl realignment takes us out of nashvilles division, so the possibility of a trade with them for weber is more likely. Maybe at next years draft, thats the dream anyways. I dont think we can tango with other teams willing to toss great stuff at nashville when hollands been real tough on not trading anything.

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