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#21 Doc Holliday

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:21 PM

those vancouver bums that made it to game 7 of the finals


And folded.

The Philly chaps? They didn't even make a dent in Boston.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:43 PM

The only reason they escaped from losing a 3-0 from the red wings wad because franzen AND datstuk were hurt...no excuse but if they're 100% or not so freakin hurt the red wings would've beat them. Lets not forget that they also got an extremely lucky bounce in game 1 OT when a shot rode up Stuarts stick and into the net.

#23 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:10 PM

I still think they have our number. We need a top 6 forward badly. We'll see but I hate to say it but the Sharks still have the edge on us this year. I don't see us beating them AGAIN this playoffs unless and acquistion is made. My humble 2 cent opinion.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 04 August 2011 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:51 PM

Please. Sharks won game 7 on the strength of 2 injured wings and 2 that got injured during the game. and also during games 6 and 7 the top 2 lines were run 22-25 minutes. The Sharks threw it all on the boat to beat the Wings and had nothing in the tank for the Nucks.

They also haven't learned from running Nabokov into the ground. You can't run a goalie 70+ games and then expect excellent playoff performances, they do break down. They HAVE to work Niemi and Greiss as an actual tandem, something they've failed to do.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 11:02 PM

It take some losing in the playoffs before a team takes it to the next level and it may be there year to do it. They've certainly brought in some good pieces to make it easier.

Your key word is "some". We had "some" losing in the playoffs before we won, San Jose's losing has gone on way to long.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:00 AM

I still think they're a bad matchup for the Wings. We didn't do much in the offseason to change that in my mind.

They have a big, physical team and I don't think our forwards are big or physical enough to bring it every game on the forecheck against them. The Wings played well towards the end of the series, but still lost. I just don't like our chances if we play them again.

I also agree that San Jose folds in the Conference Finals, but that didn't matter against the Wings since we faced them in the 2nd round.


The fact that the Sharks got all the important bounces in the series and the Wings got none certainly swayed things in their favor.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:19 AM

They also haven't learned from running Nabokov into the ground. You can't run a goalie 70+ games and then expect excellent playoff performances, they do break down. They HAVE to work Niemi and Greiss as an actual tandem, something they've failed to do.


nittymakki getting injured + niemi going on a long hot streak = more games

they were in no position to hand a bunch of games to an ahl goalie since they were struggling to make the playoffs

Edited by echos myron, 05 August 2011 - 12:21 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2011 - 07:39 AM

nittymakki getting injured + niemi going on a long hot streak = more games

they were in no position to hand a bunch of games to an ahl goalie since they were struggling to make the playoffs


Why do you think they are able to hand a bunch of games to an AHL goaltender this season?

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 09:40 AM

You have to respect a team that's beaten the Wings two years in a row. Bounces, injuries, refs, whatever. They won and the Wings didn't. Period.

They also don't want to rest on the laurels of losing in the WCF for the last two years. I don't think they have the chemistry to win this time around either, but kudos to them for looking outside the box for solutions and trying to find different pieces of the puzzle.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 10:20 AM

No way do they win this year.


well who can argue with that?
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:24 AM

The Sharks are overrated and have been besieged with expectations in the postseason they have not and cannot fulfil with the teams they keep rostering. Much like other Bay Area sports teams, like the 49ers and Alex Smith as the best example, the Sharks can't seem to shed dead weight when it's necessary.

I respect the fact that they've become Red Wing killers the last couple seasons, but what makes me respect them is winning in respectable fashion and actually winning a Cup. Nearly every season the last 5-8 years we've heard how awesome the Sharks are in the regular season and how it's a different season, year after year, and how they're going to turn it around come playoffs time, that everyone is underrating them and they are well past those years of postseason choking and failure.. with the same results. Nothing will change until it changes.

Edited by Shoreline, 05 August 2011 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:34 AM

The only reason they escaped from losing a 3-0 from the red wings wad because franzen AND datstuk were hurt...no excuse but if they're 100% or not so freakin hurt the red wings would've beat them. Lets not forget that they also got an extremely lucky bounce in game 1 OT when a shot rode up Stuarts stick and into the net.


And why were we down 3-0?

You have to look at the series as a whole, and not just concentrate on the last 4 games.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:40 AM

There are MANY factors that determine who wins the Cup each year. Only one of those factors is who looks best on paper. How many people predicted Boston would win this year? It's really more about who has a chance to win the Cup. In order to actually win, they have to have luck, intangibles, etc. So really, it comes down to who has a chance. IMO it's:

Detroit
Vancouver
San Jose
Los Angeles
Philly
Boston
Tampa
Washington

Years ago, you could predict who would win but now not so much. Just last year, we saw 2 different teams come from a 0-3 hole to force a game 7. This is almost unheard of. The year before, we saw a team come from an 0-3 hole and win in game seven for the first time in 35 years.

Last year Boston came back in the finals from being down 0-2 and then 2-3 to win the Cup as the visiting team. Pittsburgh did the same thing in 2009.

AND Boston won the Cup by winning 3 series in game 7. This never happened before.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:48 AM

I don't think it's even a guarantee that the Sharks will win their division, watch out for LA! Also you have to think these consistent playoff loses are weighing on them more and more every year.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:54 AM

And why were we down 3-0?

You have to look at the series as a whole, and not just concentrate on the last 4 games.


Franzen was already hurt, and the Sharks got two extremely lucky bounces in OT.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:54 PM

really good call.

it's simple - sharks got better, wings got worse.


i like what kenny holland did this summer. he picked up a solid puck moving dman in white and a big body dman in commodore who won a cup with the canes and the wings still have cap space for the deadline. he didn't blow the wad on trying to get a concussion prone burns. the sharks are in desperation mode cause they choke every year and are without a cup so they have to take wild stabs to try and be the team to "get the big player" while the wings make a couple good acquisitions and still have great team chemistry and people are choked about every free agent we didn't acquire...

what happens if kenny signs burns who may get injured anyways, and he's right up against the cap and lets say zach parise becomes available at the deadline...getting him would catapult the wings over the sharks right to the cup. kenny's patience gets new wings signed at respectable cap hits. and conklin is back for cheap too.

as well, rafalski has been injured for the past 3 seasons. everytime someone comes in on him with a forcheck and a hard hit is laid on him, he gets more hurt. rafs was a limping old dog and he made the right decision by retiring and spending time with his family before his health is gone and he can't run and play with his kids and s***. ozzy and drapes had great careers, but it was their time. they're all replacable and smith and tatar need to make the wings this year.

the sharks won't be that hard to beat. havlat and burns will get injured and they'll have to rely on marleau and thornton who will be outshined by couture when they slump from pressure.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:05 PM

so your strategy for beating the sharks is to hope that 2 of their really good players get injured?

i see.

Helm is a perennial Selke candidate

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:15 PM

Hey, everyone is talking about the wings being better than san jose (which is true). The only reason we lost both years is because we got injured (which is true). Well why did we get injured MORE than they did both years? Maybe because they are a bigger more physical team. So yes, injury did cost us the series because lack of size and aggression. Wings are about the same in terms of talent but lack in size and aggression. We need to make a couple changes to get meaner and bigger.

Oh, i def think the 3rd and 4th line, especially, need to be tweaked. Miller, abbie, and prolly a minor this year will make up the 4th. I think we need a big and physical veteran on that 4th to replace miller. I guess the 3rd line looks OK.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:42 PM

Am I the only one that thinks the Sharks got worse?

As of now, their lines look like this:

FORWARDS:
Marleau - Thornton - Havlat
Clowe - Pavelski - Handzus
Mitchell - Couture - McGinn
Ferreiro - Desjardins - Murray

DEFENSE:
Burns - Boyle
Murray - Vlasic
Demers - Vandermeer
^or something like that, i didn't really put much effort into what position would be best for each player.

As opposed to last year:

FORWARDS
Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Clowe - Pavelski - Setoguchi
McGinn - Couture - Ferreiro
Eager - Wellwood - Mayers

DEFENSE
Boyle - Murray
Vlasic - White
Demers - Huskins

Anyone agree....?




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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:58 PM

I'm not going to deny that they are a great team and I can see a cup in their future but not next season. They may have been able to beat us two year in a row in the playoffs but look at how they lost both series in the West Finals. In 10 to Chicago and 11 to Vacouver they basically flat-lined IMO both series. They don't have what it takes right now to make it to the SCF. Plus I can't see how everyone is still bashing on our young kids. I know everyone has a right to their own opnion but Helm and Abs have not been up with the Wings long enough to make any major pushes. They are both good young quality players and I think in another season or so they will start to prove it.





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