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[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

He's always been difficult to knock off the puck. As for his weight, he deliberately lost upper-body muscle in the 2010 offseason.

Maybe so but the season before he deliberately "bulked up". I think his back problems are the issue. I honestly think Zetterberg was amazing when he used to have that first quick step. He's lost that.

[CenterIce]

Zetterberg because he has a better points/game average in the playoffs.

[nuts2u]

Datsyuk.

[Krayzie_Bone]

Am I missing something? Do the Wings have to get rid of one?

[esteef]

Datsyuk. Z couldn't even beat up Malkin.



esteef

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

That fight was soooo awesome.

[Kira]

May it never happen again!

[eva unit zero]

I picked Zetterberg. He's the guy who's always looked to for the defensive shutdown, he's a top scorer in the league, he's an amazing all-around player, and he's a great leader. Datsyuk is flashier, but I think Z is the better player. Dats also will cost considerably more soon; he already has a higher cap hit and his contract ends soon, while Z has a lifetime deal.

But ultimately, if we're looking for cap space, can't we just trade Franzen instead? I mean come on. He might be worth a $4m cap hit now, but he probably won't be worth it in three years. He only makes $2m less than Zetterberg. Would you rather have Franzen and a third liner, or Zetterberg? That's like asking "Do you want me to punch you in the face and the stomach, or kick you in the balls with steel-toed boots?"

[eva unit zero]

Datsyuk. Z couldn't even beat up Malkin.



esteef

Malkin jumped Z from behind. When Z turned around, Satan started interfering and Malkin got free shots at him. Z managed to get free of Satan, and made Malkin his ***** after that.


So I don't know exactly how you say Z couldn't beat up Malkin. Seemed like a pretty clear win.

[esteef]

Malkin jumped Z from behind. When Z turned around, Satan started interfering and Malkin got free shots at him. Z managed to get free of Satan, and made Malkin his ***** after that.


So I don't know exactly how you say Z couldn't beat up Malkin. Seemed like a pretty clear win.

He didn't get jumped from behind, Z ran from him like a little *****. Only after Malkin starts throwing punches does Z realize he needs to get the gloves off. It's only when the ref jumps in that Z gets any advantage at all. Dats went toe-to-toe with an actual fighter (albeit not that great of one). Stick to what you know which is ogling Hudler.

esteef

[MGreenberg]

Datsyuk, he is the Wings most clutch player and showed it in the playoffs. But I agree with whoever said Holland would be fired first for offering Hudler the huge contract.

Edited by MGreenberg, 14 August 2011 - 04:08 PM.

[ogreslayer]

But ultimately, if we're looking for cap space, can't we just trade Franzen instead? I mean come on. He might be worth a $4m cap hit now, but he probably won't be worth it in three years. He only makes $2m less than Zetterberg. Would you rather have Franzen and a third liner, or Zetterberg? That's like asking "Do you want me to punch you in the face and the stomach, or kick you in the balls with steel-toed boots?"[/font]

Well that really wasn't the question was it? I didn't think the question was all that difficult to understand, it was just who would you take if you could only have one of them. Answering "trade Franzen" to that question is like answering "Well, I'll have the chicken then please" when asked if you want cake or death.

If you want to inject other "what if's" into it though, I'll play along. How about instead of trading Franzen off to clear cap space, we put Huds & a couple of free weights from the training room in a burlap sack & throw them in the river to clear up cap space?

Thank you for flying Church of England...cake or death?

[mjtm77]

It's been difficult sometimes to watch Z as he's still learning how to change his game a little bit because his body has worn down.

Zetterbeg is going to be a mess in the future

[SouthernWingsFan]

Both.

[Red Wings Addict]

But ultimately, if we're looking for cap space, can't we just trade Franzen instead? I mean come on. He might be worth a $4m cap hit now, but he probably won't be worth it in three years. He only makes $2m less than Zetterberg. Would you rather have Franzen and a third liner, or Zetterberg? That's like asking "Do you want me to punch you in the face and the stomach, or kick you in the balls with steel-toed boots?"

Oh come on... How do you even get away with this stuff?

[eva unit zero]

Oh come on... How do you even get away with this stuff?

The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.

Zetterbeg is going to be a mess in the future

Dats has only played 6 more games than Z since Z entered the league. Dats also missed time injured for two separate stretches last year, and was injured in the playoffs.

Don't be so quick to say "Z is injury prone, keep Dats!!!"

[ogreslayer]

Don't be so quick to say "Z is injury prone, keep Dats!!!"

It's all about the type of injuries though, as some people have pointed out already. Z's dealing with a bad back, but it's not like the Wings just lost their the second leading scorer on defense for the past 4 years running to a surprise retirement partly due to ongoing back problems right? Broken bones are one thing. Chronic back troubles are something entirely different.

[Red Wings Addict]

The same way most people on the board get away with saying Hudler had a terrible season despite the fact that:

He finished tied at 159th in forward scoring with 37 points.
He tied for 7th among Wings forwards in points despite being 9th in ice time.

But ultimately, this thread isn't about me or Hudler, so let's stop this s*** and everyone can stop taking the little jabs at me because they think they're the next Jose Jalapeno... on a stick.

Hmm... I'm supposed to say something like "Well, this thread isn't really about Franzen either" but I'm just going to skip to the end. You make me feel ashamed of the human race. That is all.

[Dominator2005]

Datsyuk... but I agree with Eva - trading Franzen could be an option.

[eva unit zero]

Datsyuk... but I agree with Eva - trading Franzen could be an option.

Out of our top eight forwards, Franzen is the one I would be most willing to trade. Hudler hasn't produced as much; but he has shown that he is capable of playing well beyond Franzen's established (regular season) ceiling, plus Hudler is much younger and is improving while Franzen has been declining. A Franzen deal would be for a bonafide top-line scorer or a top-pairing defenseman, while Homer or Bert alone bring back almost nothing. Filppula has more trade value than Franzen, but he's also more important to the team and a better player than Franzen, and that gap will only increase. It's not worth dealing him now instead of Franzen unless it's a deal in Detroit's favor for a guy like Doughty or Stamkos, Filppula is the only major piece of the current team given up, and the deal doesn't happen if it's Franzen.