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#161 hillbillywingsfan

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:30 AM

How did the instigator rule get brought up in a thread about a player who was injured on pretty random plays?

Steckel didn't see Crosby, and Hedman bumped him on the boards.

But Doc....it was Crosby...It was the dirtiest hit I have seen in like like forever. ;)
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:37 AM

How did the instigator rule get brought up in a thread about a player who was injured on pretty random plays?

Steckel didn't see Crosby, and Hedman bumped him on the boards.

It's actually a natural progression when you think about it. Injuries have been rampant lately that weren't prevalent pre-instigator rule.
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:02 PM

It's actually a natural progression when you think about it. Injuries have been rampant lately that weren't prevalent pre-instigator rule.


Well if there was some correlation to the specific incident in question I would understand the discussion. But there really isn't.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:20 PM

How did the instigator rule get brought up in a thread about a player who was injured on pretty random plays?

Steckel didn't see Crosby, and Hedman bumped him on the boards.



Well if there was some correlation to the specific incident in question I would understand the discussion. But there really isn't.

No - there isn't any direct link between Crosby's situation, and the instigator pen.

However there have been numerous high hits over the years that have resulted in injury (be it a concussion, or in Brad Stuarts case a broken jaw)...Just an interesting comment made by Gretzky is all.

The point being there's always going to be head injuries in the game of hockey - that's just the unfortunate reality...Now if there's a chance that the removal of the instigator pen may reduce that number (even a slight reduction) by keeping players "honest" - then I'm all for it...To add I also believe the shoulder/elbow padding needs to be modified along with allowing some of the obstruction that we had seen in the game pre 1995.

Just my $0.02

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

No - there isn't any direct link between Crosby's situation, and the instigator pen.

However there have been numerous high hits over the years that have resulted in injury (be it a concussion, or in Brad Stuarts case a broken jaw)...Just an interesting comment made by Gretzky is all.

The point being there's always going to be head injuries in the game of hockey - that's just the unfortunate reality...Now if there's a chance that the removal of the instigator pen may reduce that number (even a slight reduction) by keeping players "honest" - then I'm all for it...To add I also believe the shoulder/elbow padding needs to be modified along with allowing some of the obstruction that we had seen in the game pre 1995.

Just my $0.02

I think maybe what doc is saying is the hit on crosby wasn't dirty...so there would be no need for player retaliation so no need to talk about the instigator pen
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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:04 PM

I think maybe what doc is saying is the hit on crosby wasn't dirty...so there would be no need for player retaliation so no need to talk about the instigator pen

Right - I even pointed that out in my opening sentence in my last post.

However just because Crosby's case there wasn't any malicious intent to injure doesn't mean that other concussions/head injuries were "accidental".

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:24 PM

No - there isn't any direct link between Crosby's situation, and the instigator pen.

However there have been numerous high hits over the years that have resulted in injury (be it a concussion, or in Brad Stuarts case a broken jaw)...Just an interesting comment made by Gretzky is all.

The point being there's always going to be head injuries in the game of hockey - that's just the unfortunate reality...Now if there's a chance that the removal of the instigator pen may reduce that number (even a slight reduction) by keeping players "honest" - then I'm all for it...To add I also believe the shoulder/elbow padding needs to be modified along with allowing some of the obstruction that we had seen in the game pre 1995.

Just my $0.02


Well that's all well and good, but I'm not going to derail a thread to a 30 page argument over the instigator and the role of enforcing preventing injuries.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:55 PM

Well that's all well and good, but I'm not going to derail a thread to a 30 page argument over the instigator and the role of enforcing preventing injuries.

That's fine by me.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:29 AM

http://sports.yahoo....urn=nhl-wp11933

"We asked the Penguins if they would squash retirement speculation on the record; they declined, saying they wouldn't confirm nor deny anything about the nature of the press conference."

The Penguins are holding a press conference with Crosby. As far as I can tell it will be at 12:30 tomorrow. I really hope it's not a major announcement like him missing the season, but if it's not why the press conference with advanced notice? I can't remember a team ever calling a press conference with a player just to discuss an injury rehab no matter who it is. I have a feeling this could be bad...

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:43 AM

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As per @DarrenDreger, Crosby'sbeen skating. Will skate tomorrow in PIT, do the newser, go to NYC on Thursday and be back skating Fri in PIT.



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"We asked the Penguins if they would squash retirement speculation on the record; they declined, saying they wouldn't confirm nor deny anything about the nature of the press conference."

The Penguins are holding a press conference with Crosby. As far as I can tell it will be at 12:30 tomorrow. I really hope it's not a major announcement like him missing the season, but if it's not why the press conference with advanced notice? I can't remember a team ever calling a press conference with a player just to discuss an injury rehab no matter who it is. I have a feeling this could be bad...


There's been so much speculation I think they felt the had no choice but to, you know, actually let people talk to Crosby and ask him if he's ready to go. My suspicion is that he'll be ready to go fairly soon if he's skating frequently symptom-free.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:08 PM

This is what will happen:

1 - he will confirm that he will be ready to go at the start of training camp (10 days or so from now); or

2 - he will confirm that he will not be ready to go at the start of training camp.

If he is not going to actually confirm 1 or 2, then there really is no need for him to speak to the media.

I highly, highly doubt he will confirm anything beyond the start of training camp because of the nature of his injury (it's not like Savard who has a lot of history with concussions and has had severe daily symptoms for quite some time). If he confirms he won't be ready to start training camp, that doesn't mean he won't be ready come early October, I doubt he know that for certain.

I'm no expert though, maybe he knows more about how long he will be out than I'm guessing. One thing I'm extremely confident in is that he won't be making any retirement announcement tomorrow or even a significant time off announcement either. If it was either of those, he wouldn't be working out and skating. That doesn't mean he won't miss a big chunk of the year, I just don't think he's in a position to even know that.

Edit...also, I'm confident in saying that anything beyond what I just said is speculation (doesn't mean it's not right, but speculation in that know one really knows).

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:41 PM

My guess he's going to go the Scott Niedermayer/Brian Burke route and report that he has nothing to report.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:49 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/What-do-you-expect-Sidney-Crosby-to-say-at-press;_ylt=ApXq1w7hCOnTT5eTVgFrwe97vLYF?urn=nhl-wp11933

"We asked the Penguins if they would squash retirement speculation on the record; they declined, saying they wouldn't confirm nor deny anything about the nature of the press conference."

The Penguins are holding a press conference with Crosby. As far as I can tell it will be at 12:30 tomorrow. I really hope it's not a major announcement like him missing the season, but if it's not why the press conference with advanced notice? I can't remember a team ever calling a press conference with a player just to discuss an injury rehab no matter who it is. I have a feeling this could be bad...

Unless it's to announce his retirement, I see no need for a freakin' press conference.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:59 PM

Unless it's to announce his retirement, I see no need for a freakin' press conference.


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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:07 PM

But he is the face of the NHL dummy... <_<

Actually, with all the speculation that's been going on recently, he really needs to have this press conference. The problem is, if nothing concrete is reported, it may be a waste of time.

I've heard a lot of critism thrown Crosby's way over the summer for "not speaking", now I'm also hearing critism thrown his way because he is planning to "speak." It's actually pretty funny.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:08 PM

Actually, with all the speculation that's been going on recently, he really needs to have this press conference. The problem is, if nothing concrete is reported, it may be a waste of time.

I've heard a lot of critism thrown Crosby's way over the summer for "not speaking", now I'm also hearing critism thrown his way because he is planning to "speak." It's actually pretty funny.

As far as I'm concerned, he need never speak again. :lol:
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:21 PM

I personally don't care whether he speak or doesn't, I just find it interesting that he is. Yzerman was injured in 2003, didn't call a press conference, and returned. Rafalski was injured in 2011, called a press conference out of nowhere, and retired. I just don't know why there would be a press conference for the sole purpose of refuting rumors.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 02:46 PM

Maybe it's to announce that it has been discovered that Crosby was taking banned substances and the 2009 Cup victory is null and void.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 03:22 PM

I personally don't care whether he speak or doesn't, I just find it interesting that he is. Yzerman was injured in 2003, didn't call a press conference, and returned. Rafalski was injured in 2011, called a press conference out of nowhere, and retired. I just don't know why there would be a press conference for the sole purpose of refuting rumors.

1 - Media/internet/social media is light years ahead of where it was in 2003, completely different environment.
2 - Crosby is a bit more high profile than Rafalski.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 03:23 PM

I really think it's a personal preference when it comes to calling a conference. Eg Ozzie. So whatever it is, it's something Sid must think is important enough for it

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