egroen 384 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Towards the end of summer a few hints come out as to who the Wings were targeting: Obviously Jagr: Wings were offering $2.5m (compared to the Pens $2.1m) Wiesnewski: Considering James went out of his way to trash Detroit and state they did not pay fair prices for players - I think it is fair to say he was targeted. Jovanovski: Apparently he was one of the first defensemen to receive offers from Detroit - for 2 years, but Florida offered 4. I wouldn't have minded if Holland had upped his offer to Jagr, but can understand why Holland pulled his offer: Jagr's agent was secretly setting up a bidding war for his client. I think Jovo and Wies ended up getting way too much $$$ and term, so I am not too disappointed Holland did not offer something comparable. Just curious if anyone else has heard of other Holland targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Didn't they kick the tires quite a bit on Fleischmann as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Didn't they kick the tires quite a bit on Fleischmann as well? From what I saw, they looked at him but weren't convinced that the whole health scare with the pulmonary embolism was a thing of the past. Don't believe Kenny even extended an offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Fleischmann, Upshall, Theodore and Mike Smith. Along with those mentioned in the opening post, I would've loved Scottie Upshall but I'm ok with the rest going elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Fleischmann, Upshall, Theodore and Mike Smith. Along with those mentioned in the opening post, I would've loved Scottie Upshall but I'm ok with the rest going elsewhere. Vokoun was on that list too, wasn't he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 16, 2011 Vokoun was on that list too, wasn't he? I'm pretty sure yes he was as well, but opted for the starter position in Washington instead of the backup here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Would not have minded Upshall or Mike Smith, but happy that Conks is returning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,949 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 I know I was a huge advocate for Wiz, but considering the situation and the over gross salary he got, I am glad Holland didn't sign him. All in all, I am super happy with our changes, other than the exact names, Holland has done pretty much what I was hoping for: Two right handed defensmen, who happen to be tougher and more physical. The re-signed Miller and Eaves, allowed Draper and Osgood to retire too. The only thing that he couldn't do, was land that ligit top 6 forward (or trade Piddler.) So I am very happy with the guys he got, and even happy with the guys he tried to get (Vokoun would've been sweet, but he obviously wanted a starting role, even though he was offered the same contract from Detroit first.) Just get rid of Piddler and the off-season will be nearly perfect! 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Was the REAL Hudler targeted? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) I'm glad with the free agents we got this off season. Typical Wings moves, acquire mid level players to play their roles and contend for the Cup. The Rags can overpay for players who don't live up to their contracts. Edited August 17, 2011 by kylee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martyrme19 73 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Vokoun was quoted in saying that Detroit and Washington were the only two teams to extend offers. This is shocking to me as he is one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL. He is exactly what Washington needs next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 James Wiznewski could have never received an official offer from the Wings because his rights were traded and he was signed prior to 7/1. His comments were just him being him in my opinion. He's an agitator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Glad the Wings got Ian Hwite though. 1 Majsheppard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing official but I would guess Kenny was in talks for Brent Burns but just couldn't give the Wild the package they wanted. So be it I'm very happy with this offseason's transactions for us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bramsy 16 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) ^ i had a fishy feeling that Burns was in Kenny's eye... oh well Edited August 17, 2011 by Bramsy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 The Rags can overpay for players who don't live up to their contracts. I would say "can't". 2 hooon and Majsheppard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Vokoun was on that list too, wasn't he? As far as I know, Vokoun contacted the Wings... so I would say he was not targeted by that rational. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 As far as I know, Vokoun contacted the Wings... so I would say he was not targeted by that rational. From mlive... The Red Wings pursued several goalies through free agency, including Tomas Vokoun, who signed with Washington, Jose Theodore (Florida) and Mike Smith (Phoenix). But all wanted starting roles and weren't interested in backing up Jimmy Howard and playing only 20-25 games. From that, I would say it was a little bit more discussion then Vokoun's agent just reaching out to gauge interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krayzie_Bone 58 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 Im glad they dident get wis or Jov WOuldent have minded jagr but I have a feeling he is going to get injured anyways. I wanted them to sign Scott Hannan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 From mlive... From that, I would say it was a little bit more discussion then Vokoun's agent just reaching out to gauge interest. That is just how you define perusing. If someone calls you and says they would like to play for you, and you say here is a contract, you could call that persuing. I think of it as targeting. Did the Wings say, let us go get Vokoun? No, therefore I wouldn't say we targeted him. Feel free to disagree, but that was my opinion on the matter. I think it was Osgood or bustConks the whole way until Vokoun presented himself. Semantics? Perhaps, but that is what happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 I know I was a huge advocate for Wiz, but considering the situation and the over gross salary he got, I am glad Holland didn't sign him. All in all, I am super happy with our changes, other than the exact names, Holland has done pretty much what I was hoping for: Two right handed defensmen, who happen to be tougher and more physical. The re-signed Miller and Eaves, allowed Draper and Osgood to retire too. The only thing that he couldn't do, was land that ligit top 6 forward (or trade Piddler.) So I am very happy with the guys he got, and even happy with the guys he tried to get (Vokoun would've been sweet, but he obviously wanted a starting role, even though he was offered the same contract from Detroit first.) Just get rid of Piddler and the off-season will be nearly perfect! I'm pretty much on par with LeftWinger here...dump huds and we're cookin. I don't so much want to see Holland sign another top 6 guy as i'd like to see Tatar and Nyquist get a shot with the wings and have room for maybe Mursak to play and keep Emmerton as the 13/14 fwd. I don't want to see more prospects like Quincey, Ritola and kind of Leino (as he didn't have room for a spot in the top 6) move away to other clubs with no return. personally, i love the current wings minus hudler and would like to see someone work to take his spot. at this point, i don't even care if Holland gets a bag of pucks for him. waive and stick in GR if no one bites. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 17, 2011 That is just how you define perusing. If someone calls you and says they would like to play for you, and you say here is a contract, you could call that persuing. I think of it as targeting. Did the Wings say, let us go get Vokoun? No, therefore I wouldn't say we targeted him. Feel free to disagree, but that was my opinion on the matter. I think it was Osgood or bustConks the whole way until Vokoun presented himself. Semantics? Perhaps, but that is what happened. A contract offer made crosses that line from perusing to targeting someone, at least by definition. Perusing=reading or studying with care Targeting=To take aim at with an intended goal Perusing="Sure Tomas, we'll take a look at whether we have a place on the team for you & get back to you..." Targeting="Tomas, here's the contract we want to offer you as a backup to Jimmy Howard..." It's actually more appropriate to say that the Wings perused Tomas Fleischmann as a potential free agent pickup as all they did in that case was study up on his health issues & then determine not to offer him a contract. In Vokoun's case, by all counts, Kenny did offer him a contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) Fleischmann, Upshall, Theodore and Mike Smith. Along with those mentioned in the opening post, I would've loved Scottie Upshall but I'm ok with the rest going elsewhere. I was definitely a fan of bringing Smith in. I'd have preferred him over Conklin. Smith is better than Conks and has plenty of potential. If he plays to his best, even just based on past performance, he could take the job away from Howard. Fleischmann would have cost far beyond what he would have brought for the Wings, Upshall would have been good for the Wings, and Theodore would have been meh. Im glad they dident get wis or Jov WOuldent have minded jagr but I have a feeling he is going to get injured anyways. I wanted them to sign Scott Hannan. Wiz would have been an excellent pickup at a reasonable price. He brings everything White brings, but he has a higher level of offense which would have replaced the loss of Rafalski's production. He also would have been a definite upgrade over Ericsson in every possible respect in the lineup. Edited August 19, 2011 by eva unit zero 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 19, 2011 A contract offer made crosses that line from perusing to targeting someone, at least by definition. Perusing=reading or studying with care Targeting=To take aim at with an intended goal Perusing="Sure Tomas, we'll take a look at whether we have a place on the team for you & get back to you..." Targeting="Tomas, here's the contract we want to offer you as a backup to Jimmy Howard..." It's actually more appropriate to say that the Wings perused Tomas Fleischmann as a potential free agent pickup as all they did in that case was study up on his health issues & then determine not to offer him a contract. In Vokoun's case, by all counts, Kenny did offer him a contract. Yep. I agree with that statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
