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#41 eva unit zero

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:00 PM

Filppula - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Hudler
Cleary - Abdelkader - Bertuzzi
Mursak - Helm - Eaves

That's the best, most well rounded combination possible IMO.


I've been posting almost this exact lineup for months. The only difference being my choices to swap Franzen and Cleary, keeping the Cleary/Z/Hudler line going and also reuniting the Franzen/Abby/Bertuzzi line that seemed to work out pretty well at the end of last year.

no one has suggested that Eaves could be on the top 6. He has the wheels for Dats and also a great wrist shot to get some points, 25 goals in his 2 years with the Wings on mainly 3 and 4th line duties. Could be he may be promoted but then again that splits up a probable 4th line of some potential with Helm and Mursak.


I suggested Eaves as a possible linemate for Dats a year ago. I was laughed at by pretty much everyone with an "Eaves, huh? Sure, whatever." kind of reaction.

And furthermore, I was the first to suggest a Mursak/Helm/Eaves line as a potential for this year. Now everyone has it slated in as a given.

Very interesting that so many laugh at me for my posts and then re-post things I had previously stated as good ideas.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:17 PM

Good thing is I'm not the coach and neither are you. I'll bite my tongue if Hudler's on the top line. Highly doubt it UNLESS he's done something this offseason and is like a new player this year. :P I see Abby or Helm making the jump to one of the top lines somehow.

Unfortunately my lines are something like this

Franzen-Datsyuk-Homer
Cleary-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Abby-Filppula-Hudler
Mursak/Miller-Helm-Eaves

Every line will be changed up a bit this year for sure pending on who's producing and what not. I think out of the top 6 on our team Dats, Hank and Franzen are the only givens. People will be rotated in and out. Going to be fun to see and looking forward to training camp. Maybe some surprises maybe not.


You're responding to my challenge with a cop out. Come on. If you are going to get all snippy about the line combos I made, show me better line combos that don't have Holmstrom on the top two lines. I didn't post what I think the lines should be; I posted what I think they should be if Homer isn't on one of the top two lines.

If we go based on your lineup we can swap Homer for Hudler, but that doesn't fit your argument. Homer for Abby or Flip leaves the two slowest forwards on the team on the same line, although it would still be an effective offensive line. Not sure how I feel about Abby playing on the top line though. Hudler outscored him by 20 points last season despite effectively missing almost half the season offensively. Hudler has shown excellent chemistry with Datsyuk. You could break up the fourth line and bring Eaves up to replace Homer, but then what do you do in the bottom six? If you keep them both out of the top six, there is no possible lineup with a solid checking line (Miller/Mursak/Helm/Abby/Eaves) which does not also have Hudler and Homer on the same line.

So give me a lineup, please.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 01:57 AM

Filppula - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Hudler
Cleary - Abdelkader - Bertuzzi
Mursak - Helm - Eaves

That's the best, most well rounded combination possible IMO.


No. It's not. That third line would be awful. Who controls the puck? Not a scoring threat.

Good thing is I'm not the coach and neither are you. I'll bite my tongue if Hudler's on the top line. Highly doubt it UNLESS he's done something this offseason and is like a new player this year. :P I see Abby or Helm making the jump to one of the top lines somehow.

Unfortunately my lines are something like this

Franzen-Datsyuk-Homer
Cleary-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Abby-Filppula-Hudler
Mursak/Miller-Helm-Eaves

Every line will be changed up a bit this year for sure pending on who's producing and what not. I think out of the top 6 on our team Dats, Hank and Franzen are the only givens. People will be rotated in and out. Going to be fun to see and looking forward to training camp. Maybe some surprises maybe not.


i think 1...gotta have pav and val together...2...helm is too valuable to be stuck on some fourth line.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 05:48 AM

ooh a lines thread!

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:08 AM

ooh a lines thread!

:rolleyes:


And hidden by Homer intrigue as well! It's so LGW.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:38 AM

No. It's not. That third line would be awful. Who controls the puck? Not a scoring threat.

Weve already got two great scoring lines, and an extremely fast and energetic 4th line. That 3rd line is big, strong and would be tough to score against. I really struggle to see how it would be a bad line, especially considering its our 3rd.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 08:00 AM

I've been posting almost this exact lineup for months. The only difference being my choices to swap Franzen and Cleary, keeping the Cleary/Z/Hudler line going and also reuniting the Franzen/Abby/Bertuzzi line that seemed to work out pretty well at the end of last year.



I suggested Eaves as a possible linemate for Dats a year ago. I was laughed at by pretty much everyone with an "Eaves, huh? Sure, whatever." kind of reaction.

And furthermore, I was the first to suggest a Mursak/Helm/Eaves line as a potential for this year. Now everyone has it slated in as a given.

Very interesting that so many laugh at me for my posts and then re-post things I had previously stated as good ideas.


Don't you just love when people shout out and claim they were the first to do, say, or be something? When Eaves was on his goal scoring streak last year every one wanted to see him get more ice time and a chance in the top 6. On top of that, claiming you were the first to suggest that Mursak replace Draper on the fourth line is so ridiculous I don't even know what to say to you. Not only is that the obvious choice for a spot in the line up for Mursak but do you also want to claim that if Emmerton was to make the Wings roster that you were the first to suggest he'd be the 14th forward? Oh hey, maybe you were the first to suggest Howard should be the Wings starter or that Lidstrom should QB the first PP unit.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 02:02 PM

Holmstrom - Abdelkader - Bertuzzi
Mursak - Helm - Eaves
Emmerton




I like that third line if it was more of a fourth line. I would roll four lines and let there be a slower heavy line in Homer Abs and Bert... but also would look to see if there were other options.

I love how Homer plays, but he always seems to slow down Pav and Hank, or anyone else for that matter. Bert can't be slowed down by him. (already moves slow) I would start by hooking them up and putting them against less skilled players. That is, the fourth line.

Franzen could be a choice too, but I would rather try to make him speed up rather than let him slow down.

Lets face it, Helm, Mursak, Eaves... they are too good and too fast to be on the fourth line based on your lines.

The problem is the second line has to suffer then.

I would keep Zetter and Pav together and put Hudler with them.

Make the second Fil, Cleary, and Franzen. That would be the least horrible option in my opinion. Let Anyone on the bottom lines switch with Cleary from time to time, and be prepared to put Hudler down. I would also switch Franzen with Hudler every so often to motivate them both. We still have anchors on our lines though...

That problem is unavoidable but we have to deal with it until a trade occurs.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 02:30 PM

Wildcard *******!

Commodore-Holmstrom-Howard
Filppula-Ericsson-Helm
Stuart-Miller-Kronwall
White-Conklin-Kindl
Lidstrom
Datsyuk

Eaves-Emmerton
Bertuzzi-Mursak
Cleary-Abdelkader
Franzen

Hudler
Zetterberg

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 02:59 PM

No. It's not. That third line would be awful. Who controls the puck? Not a scoring threat.


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 03:03 PM

I've been posting almost this exact lineup for months. The only difference being my choices to swap Franzen and Cleary, keeping the Cleary/Z/Hudler line going and also reuniting the Franzen/Abby/Bertuzzi line that seemed to work out pretty well at the end of last year.



I suggested Eaves as a possible linemate for Dats a year ago. I was laughed at by pretty much everyone with an "Eaves, huh? Sure, whatever." kind of reaction.

And furthermore, I was the first to suggest a Mursak/Helm/Eaves line as a potential for this year. Now everyone has it slated in as a given.

Very interesting that so many laugh at me for my posts and then re-post things I had previously stated as good ideas.



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Posted 22 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

Hipster Eva was putting line threads together when they were underground, you probably never heard of them.


It was prophesied by the elders long ago that he-who-must-be-agreed-with (Eva) would foretell of a 4th line so unfathomably quick that all of LGW and their insignificant opinions would be squashed down before thee in a fury of vindication, thus proving that the deity-formerly-known-as-Eva was and shall ever be absolutely 100% correct about anything and everything ever related to this strange realm of hockey.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 04:41 PM

I like that third line if it was more of a fourth line. I would roll four lines and let there be a slower heavy line in Homer Abs and Bert... but also would look to see if there were other options.

I love how Homer plays, but he always seems to slow down Pav and Hank, or anyone else for that matter. Bert can't be slowed down by him. (already moves slow) I would start by hooking them up and putting them against less skilled players. That is, the fourth line.

Franzen could be a choice too, but I would rather try to make him speed up rather than let him slow down.

Lets face it, Helm, Mursak, Eaves... they are too good and too fast to be on the fourth line based on your lines.

The problem is the second line has to suffer then.

I would keep Zetter and Pav together and put Hudler with them.

Make the second Fil, Cleary, and Franzen. That would be the least horrible option in my opinion. Let Anyone on the bottom lines switch with Cleary from time to time, and be prepared to put Hudler down. I would also switch Franzen with Hudler every so often to motivate them both. We still have anchors on our lines though...

That problem is unavoidable but we have to deal with it until a trade occurs.

Well I'm pretty sure the 3rd and 4th lines will be playing equal minutes anyway, so it doesn't matter in the end. You could switch it up and make Homer - Abby - Bert the 4th line instead, but it's not nearly as good defensively as Helm's line.

I think that we should keep that first line intact, because it did have that one scoring streak and we REALLY need Hudler to produce at this point. Maybe switch Cleary out with Franzen, but I think we need Z to anchor the second line for sure. If Hudler still ends up sucking on that 1st line, then we can shake it up and throw him on the 3rd. But for starting the season, I think this is a good lineup.

Hudler - Datsyuk - Cleary
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Mursak - Helm - Eaves
Holmstrom/Miller - Abdelkader - Bertuzzi
Emmerton

Sounds good to me.



Wildcard *******!

Commodore-Holmstrom-Howard
Filppula-Ericsson-Helm
Stuart-Miller-Kronwall
White-Conklin-Kindl
Lidstrom
Datsyuk

Eaves-Emmerton
Bertuzzi-Mursak
Cleary-Abdelkader
Franzen

Hudler
Zetterberg

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:38 PM

I want to see this line back together (assuming full health of course), they just dominated whenever they were together in the 2009 playoffs...Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary
Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Hudler-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi
Mursak-Helm-Eaves

#55 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:57 AM


You're responding to my challenge with a cop out. Come on. If you are going to get all snippy about the line combos I made, show me better line combos that don't have Holmstrom on the top two lines. I didn't post what I think the lines should be; I posted what I think they should be if Homer isn't on one of the top two lines.

If we go based on your lineup we can swap Homer for Hudler, but that doesn't fit your argument. Homer for Abby or Flip leaves the two slowest forwards on the team on the same line, although it would still be an effective offensive line. Not sure how I feel about Abby playing on the top line though. Hudler outscored him by 20 points last season despite effectively missing almost half the season offensively. Hudler has shown excellent chemistry with Datsyuk. You could break up the fourth line and bring Eaves up to replace Homer, but then what do you do in the bottom six? If you keep them both out of the top six, there is no possible lineup with a solid checking line (Miller/Mursak/Helm/Abby/Eaves) which does not also have Hudler and Homer on the same line.

So give me a lineup, please.


I didn't get all snippy about your line combos. Well just Hudler being on the top line. Not happening imo. Looking back at this thread people have all sorts of line combos with Homer included on the top 2 lines. So what I did is fair. I don't think Homer deserves to be on the top line but I'm not the coach. On regards to Hudler the sooner we trade him the better cause for one I won't have to hear you argue about him in every thread on this message board :P Cheers :D

oh and p.s. I don't feel like giving you another lineup. Honestly training camp is around the corner and we'll know the lines soon enough. Cheers again :D

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 24 August 2011 - 10:41 AM.






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