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#21 Nightfall

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:09 AM

i feel bad for smith. he is great in interviews saying 'yeah my goal is to make the team but if i spend another year in grand rapids that's fine, too.' but you know inside he is going mental.

i want to see this kid play really bad, and i hate that he's just getting older in GR as he has proven that he is NHL ready.

on the other hand i want commodore's attitude and toughness in the lineup, and with the *shudders* imminent departure of our captain he will get more ice-time in the future than he would now, and he can log a ton in GR gaining experience and honing his defensive skills. of course this has all been said to death.

As someone who has watched Smith in Grand Rapids last season (I had season tickets last year and went to 34 games), I can tell you that he needs another season in Grand Rapids as a top line defenseman. Now, if he can get partnered with Nick and play first line minutes in Detroit, that would be fine with me as well. The experience of playing with Nick could go a long way to helping his career. What I don't want to see is Smith playing 3rd line minutes in Detroit. He needs a bit more experience. For as gifted as he is, there are people here that would lambaste the guy because he would be a lot like Rafalski. He is a offensive defenseman and can make some mistakes when it comes to pinching in on the boards or trying to make a play.
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:50 AM

As someone who has watched Smith in Grand Rapids last season (I had season tickets last year and went to 34 games), I can tell you that he needs another season in Grand Rapids as a top line defenseman. Now, if he can get partnered with Nick and play first line minutes in Detroit, that would be fine with me as well. The experience of playing with Nick could go a long way to helping his career. What I don't want to see is Smith playing 3rd line minutes in Detroit. He needs a bit more experience. For as gifted as he is, there are people here that would lambaste the guy because he would be a lot like Rafalski. He is a offensive defenseman and can make some mistakes when it comes to pinching in on the boards or trying to make a play.



Even worse, he could look like Lebda out there if he gets called up too soon. He still puts far too much effort into being involved offensively than defensively.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 01:53 PM

this over ripe thing is a little overrated imo. all it does is make our team older, there is no reason that a player(smith) ken holland has already said is an NHL ready d-man should spen another year in GR just getting older. Hes already older than a lot when they break into the AHL as he came from college.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 02:15 PM

this over ripe thing is a little overrated imo. all it does is make our team older, there is no reason that a player(smith) ken holland has already said is an NHL ready d-man should spen another year in GR just getting older. Hes already older than a lot when they break into the AHL as he came from college.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:05 PM

boo-hoo

You could say that to almost any post on LGW. Thanks for the input, bud.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:29 AM

this over ripe thing is a little overrated imo. all it does is make our team older, there is no reason that a player(smith) ken holland has already said is an NHL ready d-man should spen another year in GR just getting older. Hes already older than a lot when they break into the AHL as he came from college.

I would rather have a player that is over prepared for the NHL than someone who was rushed in. Wings fans are not patient when it comes to young players. A few mistakes can put a player in a negative light. This is the culture that is established after a 20 year consecutive playoff appearance streak. Players like Kronwall who came up through that system to be a successful player were successful at the AHL level. I believe that Smith has more to learn after a single season in the AHL. He needs more minutes with the minor league club. Not less minutes with the big club. The only way a move to the big club would be worthwhile would be to put him with Nick Lidstrom for the entire season. Have him learn from the best.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:54 AM

I would rather have a player that is over prepared for the NHL than someone who was rushed in. Wings fans are not patient when it comes to young players. A few mistakes can put a player in a negative light. This is the culture that is established after a 20 year consecutive playoff appearance streak. Players like Kronwall who came up through that system to be a successful player were successful at the AHL level. I believe that Smith has more to learn after a single season in the AHL. He needs more minutes with the minor league club. Not less minutes with the big club. The only way a move to the big club would be worthwhile would be to put him with Nick Lidstrom for the entire season. Have him learn from the best.


I don't think he needs a full season with Lids, but he should be called up regularly and paired with Lids for the learning experience.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:35 AM

You could say that to almost any post on LGW. Thanks for the input, bud.

Nope, that's not true at all. Despite the fact there are a lot of crap posts in this place there are some intelligent posters. But your whiney post about 'over ripe' players does not qualify.

Just because Smith is 'NHL ready' does not mean that he is ready to be on this Wings team for any number of reasons. Maybe Holland doesn't think it would be smart to have both Kindl and Smith on the roster this season as Kindl is still a little green and obviously out of minor league options. Or maybe, since Smith still has minor league options, they believe Smith is better served playing a ton in GR, being called up to get looks through the season, than playing 40-50 NHL games while getting 8-10 mins a night. Or maybe they feel that adding a defenseman like Mike Commodore, who brings a different style of play to the roster that some would say was lacking, makes the Wings better right now.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 10:53 AM

Nope, that's not true at all. Despite the fact there are a lot of crap posts in this place there are some intelligent posters. But your whiney post about 'over ripe' players does not qualify.

Just because Smith is 'NHL ready' does not mean that he is ready to be on this Wings team for any number of reasons. Maybe Holland doesn't think it would be smart to have both Kindl and Smith on the roster this season as Kindl is still a little green and obviously out of minor league options. Or maybe, since Smith still has minor league options, they believe Smith is better served playing a ton in GR, being called up to get looks through the season, than playing 40-50 NHL games while getting 8-10 mins a night. Or maybe they feel that adding a defenseman like Mike Commodore, who brings a different style of play to the roster that some would say was lacking, makes the Wings better right now.

boo hoo. but in all actuality this post of urs is good input to the forums. you shoulda just put this in your original post.

Edited by wings1110, 25 August 2011 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 10:56 AM

boo hoo

So since you're imitating me is it my turn to imitate you and go on some ignorant, whiney rant?
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:28 AM

Garnet Exelby,Doug Janik and Greg Amadio will be good mentors for Smith but they are all basically the same type of player. There isnt anyone in GR that can really help him along with his game the Wings will want him to play. These 3 will help him with his defensive game
which is where he needs to improve. Hopefully he will get 20-30 games on the Wings to learn from the master the art of great offensive
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:18 PM

So since you're imitating me is it my turn to imitate you and go on some ignorant, whiney rant?


Dude, what's your problem? He gave his opinion and it was a valid one. Why do you feel the need to attack him rather than just discuss the topic?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:00 PM

Dude, what's your problem? He gave his opinion and it was a valid one. Why do you feel the need to attack him rather than just discuss the topic?

I harmlessly teased him at first, then gave input, to which he teased me back (then edited his response). I thought he was whining so I teased him. If you want to call it attacking so be it. I think there's way too much whining on this forum so I was grinding his gears a bit.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:30 PM

I harmlessly teased him at first, then gave input, to which he teased me back (then edited his response). I thought he was whining so I teased him. If you want to call it attacking so be it. I think there's way too much whining on this forum so I was grinding his gears a bit.

You know what really grinds my gears? No one's come up with a new priest and a rabbi joke in like 30 years. Ok, ok, uh, a priest and a rabbi go into..the supermarket. And the preist says, let's buy a ham. And the rabbi says, "Nope. Can't eat it. Not allowed. It's forbidden." Pigs are like super-heroes to them. Is it perfect? No! But I dont see you coming up with anything better. And that, people, is what grinds my gears. Tom.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

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Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:12 PM

I harmlessly teased him at first, then gave input, to which he teased me back (then edited his response). I thought he was whining so I teased him. If you want to call it attacking so be it. I think there's way too much whining on this forum so I was grinding his gears a bit.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:20 PM

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Wayyyy off base, I'm neither supporting, nor defending this particular exchange, but mmamolo is one of the few posters here with good knowledge of the game, the franchise and the league, and a valuable poster on this board as well, so I'd tread lightly on slinging that term around... especially when it could not be further from the truth...

Edited by stevkrause, 25 August 2011 - 09:21 PM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


#37 number9

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:45 PM

Wayyyy off base, I'm neither supporting, nor defending this particular exchange, but mmamolo is one of the few posters here with good knowledge of the game, the franchise and the league, and a valuable poster on this board as well, so I'd tread lightly on slinging that term around... especially when it could not be further from the truth...


wings stated his opinion and he got attacked for it. i calls it likes i sees it.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 08:10 AM

wings stated his opinion and he got attacked for it. i calls it likes i sees it.

It's not relevant, you reply was still off-base... if you think he was out of line, more power to you to voice it, but that in no way, shape or form makes him a "troll"... a little jab is a lot different than an attack - "boo hoo" is hardly saying "you're a waste of flesh and an invaluable member of society"...

Once again, I'm neither defending, nor supporting either side of their exchange, but let them piss it out amongst themselves... attacking mmamolo in retaliation, hardly squelches the issue...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

It's not relevant, you reply was still off-base... if you think he was out of line, more power to you to voice it, but that in no way, shape or form makes him a "troll"... a little jab is a lot different than an attack - "boo hoo" is hardly saying "you're a waste of flesh and an invaluable member of society"...

Once again, I'm neither defending, nor supporting either side of their exchange, but let them piss it out amongst themselves... attacking mmamolo in retaliation, hardly squelches the issue...


I'm sure hes a great guy and knos alot about hockey, but in this instance hes trolling. boo-hoo contributes nothing to the topic and the poster hes quoting only feels attacked... its asking for a fight. it's annoying to click on a topic to read what ppl have to say about it, but instead you find a dick measuring contest bc somebody just hadddddd to make some small inflammatory remark. if you ask me that's a lot more annoying than the "whining"... which i dont believe wings was doing anyway. i calls it likes i sees it.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:29 AM

I'm sure hes a great guy and knos alot about hockey, but in this instance hes trolling. boo-hoo contributes nothing to the topic and the poster hes quoting only feels attacked... its asking for a fight. it's annoying to click on a topic to read what ppl have to say about it, but instead you find a dick measuring contest bc somebody just hadddddd to make some small inflammatory remark. if you ask me that's a lot more annoying than the "whining"... which i dont believe wings was doing anyway. i calls it likes i sees it.

well, the way you "sees" it, is flat wrong. period.

A troll is someone that ONLY posts to invoke vitriol - Only, as in exclusively. An isolated post, regardless of its context, which does not follow the constant of said users posts, does not define their posting as a whole... which, once again, does not apply to where the term "troll" originated from - someone that ONLY posts to invoke vitriol, not one that once in awhile, or in an isolated instance, does.

I'll just leave it at that, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest, over someone else's pissing contest.

Edited by stevkrause, 26 August 2011 - 12:51 PM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.






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