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#41 Shady Ultima

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 06:03 PM

Honestly, I don't think many people would have been nearly upset if it had been Belle tire, or GM, or any other Detroit based business that brings pride. I think what bugs people is they went with a shady pyramid scheme company. Plus, the article posted earlier made a great point. Promoting a pyramid scheme into a severely economically depressed area, it's like throwing a wolf in with some sheep.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 06:24 PM

Honestly, I don't think many people would have been nearly upset if it had been Belle tire, or GM, or any other Detroit based business that brings pride. I think what bugs people is they went with a shady pyramid scheme company. Plus, the article posted earlier made a great point. Promoting a pyramid scheme into a severely economically depressed area, it's like throwing a wolf in with some sheep.


THIS is exactly the point.

People aren't upset about corporate sponsorship, as that was inevitable. People are upset because its Amway. Amway is a shadyf****** pyramid scheme. They are scumbags that prey on the vulnerable.

And to the guy who keeps saying the Amway helped out their local community. So what? I know its an extreme example, but so did Pablo Escobar. He was considered a saint in his community and helped everyone out, built up neighborhoods, built schools, etc. But in the bigger scheme of things, he was a total monster. Much like Amway.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 08:19 PM

I'm a right-wing douchebag and I don't like them or this at all.

There's nothing wrong with having political or religious views, and there's nothing wrong with discussing such things with other people if the other people are into discussing things, but that Amway meeting was cult-like.

It was like, ok, we know you're a Christian, so if you don't join with us, you must not be a real Christian and you have no values. Huh? That, my friends is what is called a smoke screen. You could do the same thing with religion, politics, sports fanship... hmm, maybe they just added the latter to the others.

At any rate, after seeing what devotion to the "program" did to my friend and her family, I stay far away from that sort of "programming".


Honey, as far as I'm concerned, you're the farthest thing from a right-wing douchebag, and to even lump yourself anywhere near these sleaze merchants is an insult you don't deserve. You're so much better than they are.

I'm sticking to my guns. Howe Arena. Not a damned thing wrong with it.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 09:09 PM

Howe Arena. Not a damned thing wrong with it.

Only thing wrong with it is that it doesnt pay the bills!!!
This sucks- F#ck Amway!
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 05:35 AM

The first time I see Babcock take out the chalkboard and draw 3 circles, I'm going to start rooting for the Coyotes.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 07:57 AM

Agree with everyone else. Not only does Amway suck, but having a sponsor sucks. I noticed they changed their facebook. Now it's the Amway US Red Wings facebook page. So tacky.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 08:58 AM

Just imagine- it could have been Little C's. Can you imagine the guy every spring saying "Playoffs! Playoffs!"

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 10:12 AM

That I could tolerate more than those idiots trying to pull a Ponzi scheme.

And I don't care if it doesn't pay the bills by calling it Howe Arena. At least we could hold our heads high doing so. Anything else, and I'd want to hide in shame.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 11:26 AM

I'm bitterly disappointed that from now on whenever I see our truly magnificent logo, I will have to see an incredibly tacky 'presented by Amway' right below it. So, so disappointed.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 02:52 PM

Just imagine- it could have been Little C's. Can you imagine the guy every spring saying "Playoffs! Playoffs!"


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Posted 03 September 2011 - 03:04 PM

Honestly, I don't think many people would have been nearly upset if it had been Belle tire, or GM, or any other Detroit based business that brings pride. I think what bugs people is they went with a shady pyramid scheme company. Plus, the article posted earlier made a great point. Promoting a pyramid scheme into a severely economically depressed area, it's like throwing a wolf in with some sheep.


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Posted 03 September 2011 - 04:07 PM

can't wait to see the logo at center ice this year when it has the "presented by Amway" logo underneath it! :puke:

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 05:05 PM

Don't know if this is the same, might just be presenting the website, but it appears the Wings have had a presenting sponsor before in AT&T... Clarification on whether I've misinterpreted would be nice :)

http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=587621 (Across the top where the Red Wings name and logo are).

Think its automatically a terrible idea, for the sole reason that the (seemingly) majority of the fans are in disgust of it, not simply an "it's a shame hockey has to have sponsors" but more in a "they're a dispicable company for such a respectable organisation to be associated with". That in itself should be enough for the Wings organisation to know they've made a mistake they cannot turn back on now.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 03:44 AM

I wonder if they will actually pay attention. The fans are reacting badly in the first week. It's a three year deal, if fans don't like it then, I'm hoping they'll either pull the plug at the end or even earlier. I would truly hope a organization like the Wings would know to listen to its fans.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 10:55 AM

There's three things that make my blood boil like none other: Amway, Wal-Mart and Farmville. Seeing one of these things so closely associated with the Wings is profoundly bothersome. I've lost too many friends to their bulls*** and brainwashing. I plan on making a call to the Red Wings business offices to express my disapproval. As a fan, this is the last thing I want to see.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:00 AM

Honestly, I don't think many people would have been nearly upset if it had been Belle tire, or GM, or any other Detroit based business that brings pride. I think what bugs people is they went with a shady pyramid scheme company. Plus, the article posted earlier made a great point. Promoting a pyramid scheme into a severely economically depressed area, it's like throwing a wolf in with some sheep.


YES!

I can tolerate sponsorship; I wouldn't mind seeing a Detroit company like Belle Tire or GM at all. But Amway?!? Absolutely not. That to me is flat out disgusting. Again, I've seen too many people lose friends and family, not to mention all of their money, over Amway's bulls*** pyramid scheme. And for the less informed, if you ever had people bug you about Quixstar, that's Amway too.
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 12:42 PM

little caesars palace would be funny

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 01:07 PM

A good watch about our proud new sponsor.



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Posted 04 September 2011 - 03:08 PM

A good watch about our proud new sponsor.



A good look at the founder of our proud new sponsor and just a little snap shot of how he has given back to our community
*Note, these numbers are only until 2005! Also, these are simple numbers. There is no media bias interjected in the report unlike the last post

Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation
126 Ottawa Avenue N.W., Suite 500
Grand Rapids, MI 49503

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For years:

1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005

Total contributed: $ 222,782,656

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Grand Action Foundation 18,500,000
Gospel Communications International 12,754,725
Blodgett Butterworth Health Care Foundation 11,121,050
National Constitution Center 10,099,000
Grand Valley University Foundation 9,435,000
Grand Rapids Christian School Association 9,408,147
Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church 8,900,000
Calvin College 8,614,300
Hope College 7,550,000
Grand Rapids Symphony 6,991,152
Holland Home 6,553,000
Prison Fellowship Ministries 6,025,000
Ada Christian School 5,155,000
Rehoboth Christian School 3,636,000
Bethany Christian Services 3,450,000
Focus on the Family 3,250,000
University of Central Florida Foundation 3,000,000
Lee University 3,000,000
University of Central Florida 2,500,000
Spanish River Church 2,500,000
Grand Rapids Art Museum 2,442,000
Potter's House 2,250,000
Evangelism Explosion International 2,245,000
DeVos Children's Hospital Foundation 2,057,000
Luis Palau Evangelistic Association 2,000,000
Helen DeVos Children's Hospital Foundation 1,708,000
Heritage Foundation, The 1,700,000
Northwood University 1,691,500
Calvin Theological Seminary 1,650,000
Lake Worth Christian School 1,625,450
Partners for Christian Development 1,525,462
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee 1,426,000
Christian Reformed Church N.A. 1,401,000
Gospel Films 1,250,000
Direct Selling Education Foundation 1,250,000
Haggai Institute 1,240,000
YMCA of Boca Raton 1,152,000
Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Inc. 1,125,000
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Van Andel Institute 1,050,000
Mount Vernon Estate and Gardens 1,000,000
American Red Cross of Central Florida 1,000,000
Russian American Christian University 1,000,000
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Children's Scholarship Fund 930,000
Christ Memorial Reformed Church 925,000
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Partners Worldwide 825,000
Western Theological Seminary 810,000
Inner City Christian Federation 800,000
United Way - Heart of West Michigan 800,000
Frederik Meijer Gardens 780,700
Orlando Magic Youth Foundation 775,038
Prelude Worldwide Ministries 750,000
Lee College 750,000
CrossRoads Prison Ministries 730,000
Pine Rest Foundation 659,650
Media Research Center, Inc. 600,000
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 591,000
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Family of Faith Church 555,000
Health Intervention Services 550,000
Caring House Project Foundation 500,000
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Mississippi Hurricane Recovery Fund 500,000
Friends of the Americas 480,000
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American Symphony Orchestra League 475,000
Florida Sunshine Pops, Inc. 450,000
Christian Counseling Center 437,500
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Hope Network 404,720
Michigan Family Forum 385,000
Hope Network Foundation 377,174
Right to Life of Michigan Educational Fund 375,000
Primary Focus 350,000
Fort Lauderdale Christian School 350,000
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Pregnancy Resource Center 325,000
Baxter Community Center 320,000
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Florida Philharmonic Orchestra 305,000
Salvation Army, Palm Beach County 300,000
International Aid 300,000
Hope Pregnancy Centers of Broward 300,000
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National Organization on Disability 275,000
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Kent County Parks Foundation 269,700
YMCA of South Palm Beach County 255,000
Millennium Park Project 250,000
Ukrainian Center for Christian Cooperation 250,000
Rotary Club of Grand Rapids 250,000
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Public Museum Foundation of Grand Rapids 237,500
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Christian Reformed World Missions 230,000
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Indian Trails Camp 215,000
Insight for Living 210,000
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St. Cecilia Music Society 195,000
Education Freedom Fund 182,500
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VineBranch, Inc. 178,500
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Christian Learning Center 170,000
Clebe McClary Evangelistic Association 170,000
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Bible League 162,634
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Wedgwood Christian Youth & Family Services 155,000
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Council for National Policy 150,000
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House of Hope 150,000
Christian Reformed Home Missions 150,000
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Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame 150,000
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Upledger Foundation 112,600
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Ferguson Heartside Community Resource Center 100,000
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Florida School Choice Fund, Inc. 100,000
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Fringe Communications 100,000
Flannel 100,000
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Pine Rest Christian Mental Health Services 75,000
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Young Dads, Inc. 70,000
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Equipping Ministries International, Inc. 60,000
National Right to Read Foundation 60,000
CLC Network (Christian Learning Center) 60,000
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Visions Teen Parent Foundation, Inc. 60,000
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Words of HOPE 55,000
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Hospice of Michigan in Grand Rapids 53,000
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Alliance for Children Everywhere 50,000
American Red Cross 50,000
Of the People Foundation 50,000
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Salvation Army-Grand Rapids 50,000
National Right to Life Educational Trust Fund 50,000
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Children First America (Bentonville, AR) 50,000
Ave Maria School of Law 50,000
First Presbyterian Church 50,000
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Joy of Music 46,000
Grand Rapids Medical Education and Research Center for Health Professions 45,000
Make A Wish Foundation, Grand Rapids 45,000
American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research 40,000
Christian Schools International 40,000
Boys & Girls Club of Holland 40,000
Kids Hope USA 40,000
Aquinas College 40,000
Choices for Children 37,900
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Back to God Hour 35,000
High Frontier 35,000
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Kent County Literacy Council 32,500
Meet Grand Rapids 31,000
Foundation for the Advancement of Cardiac Therapies 30,000
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Grand Rapids Children's Museum 30,000
Guideposts Publications 30,000
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Plan International USA 26,328
Visiting Nurse Association of West Michigan 25,200
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Michigan's West Coast 25,000
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Evergreen Commons 20,000
National Kidney Foundation of Michigan 20,000
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International Urban Associates 20,000
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Leukemia and Lymphoma Society 20,000
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center 20,000
Home Repair Services of Kent County 20,000
Christian Foundation Center of America 20,000
Shepherds of Independence 20,000
Roosevelt Park Ministries 19,000
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National Kidney Foundation of Florida, Inc. 15,000
Chamber Choir of Grand Rapids 15,000
Grand Rapids Area Medical Education & Research Center for Health Professions 15,000
Transplantation Society of Michigan 15,000
Restorers, Inc. 15,000
Homecor 14,000
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Arthritis Foundation, West Michigan Region 12,000
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Michigan Self Help for Hard of Hearing People 7,500
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 03:39 PM

THIS is exactly the point.

People aren't upset about corporate sponsorship, as that was inevitable. People are upset because its Amway. Amway is a shadyf****** pyramid scheme. They are scumbags that prey on the vulnerable.

And to the guy who keeps saying the Amway helped out their local community. So what? I know its an extreme example, but so did Pablo Escobar. He was considered a saint in his community and helped everyone out, built up neighborhoods, built schools, etc. But in the bigger scheme of things, he was a total monster. Much like Amway.


Right Right - I see what you did there. Pablo Escobar murdered innocent people and smuggled narcotics that leveled communities. **** Devos started a business that sells cleaning products, nutritional products and cosmetics.

I bet....I bet you cry fowl when people used propoganda to compare Obama to Hitler for his socialistic opinions. But hey - this is all just for fun, right?

That I could tolerate more than those idiots trying to pull a Ponzi scheme.

And I don't care if it doesn't pay the bills by calling it Howe Arena. At least we could hold our heads high doing so. Anything else, and I'd want to hide in shame.


I don't want to be condescending because of your misunderstanding of what a ponzi scheme is. That is because I'm sure that 90% of the people on this forum don't know what a ponzi scheme is and how it compares to a pyramid scheme.

A ponzi scheme is, in recent current events, what Bernie Madoff went to jail for. To put it simply it is this:
You convince a bunch of people to give you $50 billion dollars to invest. You only give millions back shown as investment profits to those people - you keep the rest. Your initial investors believe that their original principal of $50 billion is still safe and secure but really, you've spent them on fancy things like big boats, houses and silk underwear.
You survive because your success keeps bringing in new investors with more and more money because even if an investor wants to take out all of their money out, you can survive the blow because others pay even more into the system.

So you see - it is dead wrong to even accuse Amway of being a ponzi scheme because they are completely unrelated.

I am trying to be nice to you, but please understand that when people do say the things you have said it does upset me because it clearly means that you have no basic understanding of the accusations you have made. You have only followed the lead of another ignorant person who blathers wreckless information into the dark.
I only debate on things that I know I know. All too often people make up their minds on a couple of headlines they have seen in passing with no real interest to look into unbiased reporting. It almost isn't their fault, though, as most people don't even know where to access unbiased reporting!

But I digress. Anyway, if you're also wondering how Amway exists as an accused pyramid scheme (I'm assuming that you already know that a pyramid scheme is illegal) it is because, by definition, they are also not a pyramid scheme. A pyramid scheme would require that people are paid to recruit others soley. (Amway people do recruit hard as hell which is where people draw comparisons to cult like groups) However, you do actually have to SELL PRODUCTS in order to ever make money from Amway. Also, Amway buys back excess inventory from its personal distributors.

So ya, I'm sure some people probably think that I must be a part of Amway or something by now. I will tell you this: I HAVE experienced about 3 or 4 meetings where I was trying to be recruited. I did not enjoy the experience and I have stayed far away ever since. However, I simply cannot deny the fact that, though this particular experience was not to my liking, it is NOT MY PLACE to judge others on the decisions that have apparently worked out for them. The company is obviously successful as I believe they are somewhere in the top 30 largest privately owned businesses according to Forbes. Have people invested in the business and came out as losers? With any venture that comes with risk, I bet there have been! But thats why America is America - it is a personal choice for someone to venture into this opportunity. And lest not forget, Amway does provide an opportunity. There will always be winners and losers. The Winners from Amway were probably losers somewhere else and they had to learn a little more about life before they reached success. The losers - my guess is they probably learned something along the way and will eventually find something that works for them. Either way, both groups of people will probably turn out just fine.

Have a fabulous day and a swell tomorrow!
Just for the record, the weather today is slightly sarcastic with a good chance of rain.





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