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Red Wings Top 20, Fall Edition

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Good list. I'd take Ferraro out of the top 10, drop Jurco down a bit and switch XO and Sproul's rankings. And also move Mursak way up, no way I'd only have him one spot higher than Emmerton. Mursak has shown a ton of skill and potential in the A, while Emmerton hasn't.

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Good list. I'd take Ferraro out of the top 10, drop Jurco down a bit and switch XO and Sproul's rankings. And also move Mursak way up, no way I'd only have him one spot higher than Emmerton. Mursak has shown a ton of skill and potential in the A, while Emmerton hasn't.

Keep in mind that the ratings for the players are more important than their placement on the list. A guy who is a 7.0C just has a higher likeliness is meeting his potential than a guy who's 7.0D, even though they're virtually similar in possible skill. More than anything, Hockey's Future takes potential/raw skill into account. I think Ferraro, even with all of his struggles projects as a second line player. I'm not a big fan of his, but he's still got raw skill... just seems like injury and attitude issues hold him back.

With XO and Sproul, I'm actually a pretty big fan of Sproul, but he's also more of a raw project. XO has great skating ability and vision right now, whereas Sproul has some essential things (skating, primarily) to work out. I personally feel like Sproul could turn into the better, more complete player, but he'll have to add weight and fight for it. So as of right now I think XO is a safer bet to meet his potential, though Sproul might have a slightly higher ceiling.

As far as Mursak goes, it's more about how Hockey's Future rates than anything else. He was at #3 with the old writer, which based on their criteria was way too high for him. 7.0 is a second line player, 6.0 is a third line player. I'm a huge Mursak fan (which, I think is evident with older posts I've made) but I really think he's a future third line guy, with lots of speed. He could progress into a second line player, but I'm not sure he'll find his hands. I'm pretty comfortable rating him the 6.5B I gave him, as I think he'll be a skilled 3rd line guy, who could fill in on a second line if necessary.

With Emmerton, I probably could have put Nestrasil in front of him. I think Emmerton could surprise some people. While he hasn't stood out at the AHL, he does play the Red Wings style of hockey and he could actually work in their system. He's a 7.0, but I also graded him D in terms of meeting that potential. He could have been knocked down to a 6.5C though, effectively moving him down to 18th. A lot of the guys are so close in skill/potential that the slightest letter grade can shift them up and down the list quite a bit. Nature of the rating system.

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I am really feeling good about our future after reading that list. Tatar-Jarnkrok-Pulkkinen sounds like it'll be an amazing line in 5 years :siren::siren::siren:

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I understand how the rankings and such work, and I can see that is basically how the list is made. I would have made Ferraro probably a 7.5 D and Emmerton a 7.0 D. I know Cory was suppose to be a 2nd liner when we drafted him, but due to all the injuries, he really hasn't progressed like Mursak and Tatar have. Tvrdon probably should have made the list over Parkes. I don't know what Tvrdon is rated, but I'd probably have him around a 7.5 D. But I still contend that Jarnkrok and Pulu should be switched. In terms of potential and skills, Jarnkrok comes out on top. Pulu is the more exciting player, but Iron Hooks skating alone should put him over pull and I LOVE Pulu.

Edit: Emmerton has the grade which I thought he would lol.

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Why did Pulu get downgraded rank wise after a killer season in Finland? The ranks and lists are s***, I hate to be so blunt, but I won't sugar coat it, Marshall and Ferraro top ten? Alqvist not? Pulu going from 8 to 7.5 and both being D? I could see that one if he was a 7.5B, but he blew everyone's expectations out of the water last season, and is having a strong preseason this year.

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I'd agree Jarnkrok, with his better consistency and all-around game, ranks higher than Jurco and Pulkinnen at this point.

I guess I'd have to beg to differ with a people when it comes to this. I really think Pulu is the real deal and showed that this previous year. If he can avoid injury, I think he'll come out just as strong and continue to impress. I'm big on Jarnkrok too, but I think his all-around game is sometimes a little overhyped. Discussing it with other members on Hockey's Future who see him, he'll really have to add more muscle to be effective over here. I guess that's my main concern with him. Like I said, I enjoy both players, but I feel like Pulu just has more skill.

Why did Pulu get downgraded rank wise after a killer season in Finland? The ranks and lists are s***, I hate to be so blunt, but I won't sugar coat it, Marshall and Ferraro top ten? Alqvist not? Pulu going from 8 to 7.5 and both being D? I could see that one if he was a 7.5B, but he blew everyone's expectations out of the water last season, and is having a strong preseason this year.

He wasn't downgraded by me. The writer there before me might have ranked him an 8.0, but I don't agree with that. I think he's a 7.5 (second line player, with the potential for first line. He WAS a 7.0 on my last list with HF, so I took his season into account by raising him. Do you really think the entire list is s*** because I don't think Pulkkinen is a lock to be a first line center? Perhaps I could have given him the C instead of D, but his issues with his skating and injuries worry me slightly.

If you're going to argue that Pulu should be higher because he put up great numbers, how can you argue that Almqvist should be way higher as well? By all standards, Almqvist's season was a disappointment from a statistical standpoint, even when considering he was moving from SuperElit to Elitserien. I still feel he has merit, which is why I moved him up to 15 FROM 18 (other writer's old ranking).

As far as Ferraro and Marshall in the top 10, I still feel Ferraro has the skill to put things together, even though he's had attitude issues. If he falters in Grand Rapids, then obviously he's going to slide right down the list, but I feel like Red Wings management must see something in him to offer him a contract despite his struggles. Admittedly, I'm taking a bit of a risk with Marshall, but I really like his ability and I think he's going to surprise a lot of people.

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I guess I'd have to beg to differ with a people when it comes to this. I really think Pulu is the real deal and showed that this previous year. If he can avoid injury, I think he'll come out just as strong and continue to impress. I'm big on Jarnkrok too, but I think his all-around game is sometimes a little overhyped. Discussing it with other members on Hockey's Future who see him, he'll really have to add more muscle to be effective over here. I guess that's my main concern with him. Like I said, I enjoy both players, but I feel like Pulu just has more skill.

He wasn't downgraded by me. The writer there before me might have ranked him an 8.0, but I don't agree with that. I think he's a 7.5 (second line player, with the potential for first line. He WAS a 7.0 on my last list with HF, so I took his season into account by raising him. Do you really think the entire list is s*** because I don't think Pulkkinen is a lock to be a first line center? Perhaps I could have given him the C instead of D, but his issues with his skating and injuries worry me slightly.

If you're going to argue that Pulu should be higher because he put up great numbers, how can you argue that Almqvist should be way higher as well? By all standards, Almqvist's season was a disappointment from a statistical standpoint, even when considering he was moving from SuperElit to Elitserien. I still feel he has merit, which is why I moved him up to 15 FROM 18 (other writer's old ranking).

As far as Ferraro and Marshall in the top 10, I still feel Ferraro has the skill to put things together, even though he's had attitude issues. If he falters in Grand Rapids, then obviously he's going to slide right down the list, but I feel like Red Wings management must see something in him to offer him a contract despite his struggles. Admittedly, I'm taking a bit of a risk with Marshall, but I really like his ability and I think he's going to surprise a lot of people.

Pulu: I think 8.0D was a pretty good rank for him, hes for sure not a lock for first line, but if he makes the NHL hes going to be a top 6 sniper, there is no middle ground for him.

Almqvist: SEL is a weird league, numbers aren't as telling as they are in other leagues, it really takes looking at everything to understand if they progressed or not, my problem is that Marshall had one good season at the USHL, but that doesn't mean much because the USHL isn't a great league, I would rank it far below the European men's and jr leagues, and below the Canadian Jr leagues for level of play.

Ferraro: I just don't see it, hes had two s*** seasons, and has shown no signs of taking that next step in development. In fact I would argue hes regressed since he was drafted, he isn't even top 15 in my mind.

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In what universe is Marshall ahead of Mursak?

And Ferraro in the top 10, after showing absolutely nothing since being drafted?

I know that Jan Mursak is a better player than Ben Marshall right now... WAY better. But I also have a better idea of what Mursak's ceiling will be because of that. Mursak is 22, and is looking like a 3rd line player, with 2nd line capabilities.

At 18, Marshall has done very well jumping to play in the USHL out of high school hockey. And he's got 4 years to grow still too. It's already being said of Marshall that his speed is at a way advanced level. His biggest roadblock is college hockey next year in Minny if and when Marshall shows he can't hack it at a higher level, like Mursak can... then he'd drop. But you can't knock prospects' potential just because they're young and haven't played at a higher level

EDIT: Clarity

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