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#201 Casey

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:25 PM

R.I.P. LOKO PLAYERS...TRIBUTE... ....at 1.49 is the player that survived...Galimov, I hope he makes it

so many countries lost their palyers today...Czech's lost first line from last world cup, where they took gold

we lost some young talented players including Sobchenco andUruchev...they were part of the World Juniors team that won gold medal game against Canadians this year...

from what I have read here (Russia), Salei was on the plane...


btw the plane was charter V.I.P., this was not regularflight...the plane was not old like some of you said, manufactured in1994, believe it or not by aviation standard this is far from old...
also with regard to banned Russian jets, most russian jets are banned to due to higher noise levels as well as higher emission levels...does not mean they can't fly...


Hello, lans, and welcome. Enjoy your stay.

Correct on the fact that made in 1993 or 1994 (I've seen both today) not necessarily being considered "old". The "age" of a plane is a function of number of pressurization cycles, just like how a set of springs on a car age with use. Without knowing the history of that particular Yak-24, you can't tell. For example, the B-52 still flies in the USAF, despite the last one being built in 1962, but given proper maintenance this is not a problem.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:29 PM

I wonder if the Wings will have "Rusty" and "Beast" on their helmets or jerseys. Or some form of tribute to them on the uniforms.


I think the NHL should have a small jersey patch or helmet sticker that pays tribute to all the NHL and hockey players lost this summer.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:30 PM

R.I.P. LOKO PLAYERS...TRIBUTE...http://www.youtube.c...h?v=emqug0_8AFU ....at 1.49 is the player that survived...Galimov, I hope he makes it

so many countries lost their palyers today...Czech's lost first line from last world cup, where they took gold

we lost some young talented players including Sobchenco andUruchev...they were part of the World Juniors team that won gold medal game against Canadians this year...

from what I have read here (Russia), Salei was on the plane...


btw the plane was charter V.I.P., this was not regularflight...the plane was not old like some of you said, manufactured in1994, believe it or not by aviation standard this is far from old...
also with regard to banned Russian jets, most russian jets are banned to due to higher noise levels as well as higher emission levels...does not mean they can't fly...

To make this first part Hockey related. Usually I sleep in on Wednesday since I don't have class til 11am but I just a text regarding an unrelated matter. Right when I was about the click send another person a fellow Wings fan called and said "Did you hear about the plane crash carrying that hockey team in Russia." When I checked it my heart sank knowing they were on it.

As a Commercial Aviation enthusiastic, I can say that 1994 is young for a plane. There are A LOT of planes older then that flying the US but the US likely has higher maintenance standards then Russia. But still looking at the YAK-42's accident record 5/7 of them before this one well over 70% of them have been Crew Error or Weather related of some kind. While I won't speculate what happened out of respect for the families I do have a couple of possibilities and terrorism isn't one of them.

Edited by IllinoisRedWingsFan, 07 September 2011 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:31 PM

Hello, lans, and welcome. Enjoy your stay.

Correct on the fact that made in 1993 or 1994 (I've seen both today) not necessarily being considered "old". The "age" of a plane is a function of number of pressurization cycles, just like how a set of springs on a car age with use. Without knowing the history of that particular Yak-24, you can't tell. For example, the B-52 still flies in the USAF, despite the last one being built in 1962, but given proper maintenance this is not a problem.


the pilot that flew this plane previously and now part of the airline that used this plane, said that plane was not used very much, 7000 hours.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:34 PM

the pilot that flew this plane previously and now part of the airline that used this plane, said that plane was not used very much, 7000 hours.

But the question is how many takeoffs/landings did it make? Obviously it is going to have more then something like a Boeing 777.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:35 PM

I simply do not know what to say! I simply cannot believe this news! My heart goes out to the families of the players who have lost their lives!

I was planning on wearing my Suh jersey to Oakland University tomorrow, but its gonna be my Wings jersey now in tribute to the Fallen Wings and players of the Russian Team!!

I truly hope that everyone on this site that has children goes home and hugs them! Life is here one minute and gone the next! Sometimes it takes the loss of life to make you realize your life and your families!

I surely hope the Wings and the NHL do something special for the players that lost their lives today!

Sad day for Hockey!

Love Ya Rusty and Beast you will be missed!!! R.I.P!!

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:38 PM

OMFG

Among others, Jan Marek died too. His baby is just a few weeks old. He was not sure he wanted to go to KHL this year, and decided at the very last moment. This is just insane.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:42 PM

....and to make matters worse, Salei's daughter Ava is just over 3.5 months old.

I can't even begin......
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:44 PM

But the question is how many takeoffs/landings did it make? Obviously it is going to have more then something like a Boeing 777.


well can't really answer that...simply don't know...
the reason I even mentioned the plane...because its a little bit to early to blame anyone or anthing for this crash...lets wait for the official report before anything...

btw the pilot that was on tv...said that from the information he got this i very simillar to the sitiation with two YAK 42 in China...both crashed due to pilots errors...unfotunatelly he did not go into details...

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:45 PM

well can't really answer that...simply don't know...
the reason I even mentioned the plane...because its a little bit to early to blame anyone or anthing for this crash...lets wait for the official report before anything...

btw the pilot that was on tv...said that from the information he got this i very simillar to the sitiation with two YAK 42 in China...both crashed due to pilots errors...unfotunatelly he did not go into details...

Agreed. I am thinking Pilot Error was the case personally but I hope I am horrible wrong.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:47 PM

Oh God No....Damnit! This is absolutely tragic! I know this may sound funny, or dumb to say, but I take back everything I have ever said negative toward McCrimmon... It's almost like you wish you could go back and change history. Is it too late to re-sign Salei and offer McCrimmon a job? Damn....it is a very sad day...

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:47 PM

OMFG

Among others, Jan Marek died too. His baby is just a few weeks old. He was not sure he wanted to go to KHL this year, and decided at the very last moment. This is just insane.

R.I.P.


yeah...liked his game...played for Atlant last year...they begged him to stay...if only...

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:58 PM

Just wanted to stop by and offer my condolences to the Wings and their fans for this loss. What a horrible summer this has been for hockey. Take care.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:04 PM

Oh God No....Damnit! This is absolutely tragic! I know this may sound funny, or dumb to say, but I take back everything I have ever said negative toward McCrimmon... It's almost like you wish you could go back and change history. Is it too late to re-sign Salei and offer McCrimmon a job? Damn....it is a very sad day...

I know what you mean. I was thinking "f***! sorry for all those times I blamed you for our s***ty GAA! or said that we didn't need Salei anymore. go back and re-sign them!"

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:06 PM

So tragic Hubby emailed me at work this morning to tell me - my coworkers couldn't understand why I was sniffling over a plane that went down in Russia w/ former Wings. How do you explain to non hockey and Chicago Black Hawks fans that guys you watch over the years have just died and left new babies and families behind?

The only thing I can compare this to is when one of the planes that hit the Twin Towers had Ace Bailey on it. Ace Bailey was a scout for the LA Kings. This reminds me so much of the sadness on 9/11...yes - hubby & I were driving to our first Red Wings Training Camp in Traverse City that year.

Sympathies to the families of all involved.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:09 PM

According to Sovsport, Galimov is still hanging in. Going to be a rough road.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:12 PM

R.I.P to all! To be honest, I think this plane crash is worse then the Marshall football team one, but please don't take that comment wrong. There both AWFUL! Speechless when I heard this.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:14 PM

As a Commercial Aviation enthusiastic, I can say that 1994 is young for a plane. There are A LOT of planes older then that flying the US but the US likely has higher maintenance standards then Russia. But still looking at the YAK-42's accident record 5/7 of them before this one well over 70% of them have been Crew Error or Weather related of some kind. While I won't speculate what happened out of respect for the families I do have a couple of possibilities and terrorism isn't one of them.

While I agree that it's too early to start trying to sort out the "why", though a crash may be labelled as "pilot error", isn't it safe to say that some aircraft designs are more forgiving of such errors than others?
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:43 PM

2 me it looks like they only missed the river by like 50 feet or so, if they were able 2 make a crash landing there, everyone could have made it, which its seems is what they were trying 2 do after they had just gotten in the air.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:50 PM

What can a person say at a time like this? I have no words.....





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