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#21 newfy

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 02:45 PM

Wow the wings D is tough actually

If Commodore can really find his game again and become a solid number 6 with a regular shift they will be a physical force.

Lidstrom - Yeah hes soft but hes also the reigning Norris champ so chirp him I dare ya

White - Feisty little guy who can throw a nice hipcheck and handle himself in a scrap. Clears the crease

Stuart and Kronawll - Probably the hardest hittting pairing in the league when together arguably

Commodore, Smith, Ericcson - All guys who can fight and have an edge to their game (Even Ericcson every now and than)

Kindl - Soft but I feel like he wont play a whole lot again and could be traded.

Im hoping Commie shows Ericcson what to do with his 6'5 frame and they become a damn nasty pairing. If Smith is in the lineup he could actually be their nastiest defender, kid is dirty with his stick, looks for big hits and will fight too.

I just really hope Commie gets it together and can turn into a pre concussion Lilja

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 04:14 PM

I hope this means the Brad "O-Zone" Stuart experiment is over. He's better in more of a stay-at-home role - let Kronwall do the pinching this year.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 05:54 PM

To me, the dmen are a lot more likely to be set in stone than the forwards for sure. I don't have a dobberhockey account to back it up, but I'm positive that Stuart was always Lidstrom primary partner if both were healthy. Same went for Kronwall and Salei (RIP); as well as Ericsson and Rafalski. I mean, hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong but those pairings seriously just didn't really change all that much.


It's usually around 70-80% at even strength, at least for the Wings. There are a few teams that have the top 4 set in stone to where they are 90% or higher at even strength, but then you have the crappy teams who literally rotate every game.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 06:09 PM

I love those pairings, other then Kindl GTFO, Commys gonna play.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:23 AM

Lidstrom - White

Kronwall - Stuart (YES They are back Together!)

Ericsson - Kindl

Smith - Commodore

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Kindl in front of Commodore is really disturbing. I am questioning Babcock at the moment. :ninja:

Seriously, I hope Commie gets that 6th spot. If not, then it was a waste....

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 07:01 AM

Kindl in front of Commodore is really disturbing. I am questioning Babcock at the moment. :ninja:

Seriously, I hope Commie gets that 6th spot. If not, then it was a waste....


Well Babs hopes Commie will be a "good teammate."

I mean... That could just be a politically correct way to say sit your ass down in the press box with a smile on your face. Guess Babs is already trying to "bury"* Commodore, huh? :ph34r:

*"I thought he (Babs) put his best foot forward to bury me (Commie)."

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 07:36 AM

Perhaps there was a reason 'Commie' found himself in the AHL last season...

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:51 AM

Kindl in front of Commodore is really disturbing. I am questioning Babcock at the moment. :ninja:

Seriously, I hope Commie gets that 6th spot. If not, then it was a waste....

I wouldn't read so much into the pairings as to say Kindl will be ahead of Commodore on the depth chart during the season.

Having said that, where is the Kindl hate coming from? He improved a lot last year, and he's just getting started in the league. Kindl isn't some throw-away scrub, he still has potential to develop and maybe be a second-pairing D one day. If he improves as much as he did last year, he'll actually be reasonably valuable.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 10:58 AM

I wouldn't read so much into the pairings as to say Kindl will be ahead of Commodore on the depth chart during the season.

Having said that, where is the Kindl hate coming from? He improved a lot last year, and he's just getting started in the league. Kindl isn't some throw-away scrub, he still has potential to develop and maybe be a second-pairing D one day. If he improves as much as he did last year, he'll actually be reasonably valuable.

I dont think its hate but it is somehwat disappointing out highest draft pick in a decade hasnt turned out like we all expected.

Yeah he looks like he m ay be a solid top 4 MAYBE, but there are guys like Smith and now with White who are young still and much better. I thinnk alot of people see Kindl as e xpendable in a trade to bring something else they dont have (another scorer, bruiser etc).

I think hes a decent player but what does he provide that the wings need is the way I look at it, and quite frankly I cant think of an answer to support him

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:31 AM

Perhaps there was a reason 'Commie' found himself in the AHL last season...


I think this is just Babcock's way of lighting a fire under commie's ass. Make Commie think you still don't believe in him so he tries that much harder to "prove you wrong"

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:38 PM

I think some folks are being too sensitive about Babcock's "projected" defense parings. They haven't even trained together to see how they look with the new guys for crying out loud.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:55 PM

I think this is just Babcock's way of lighting a fire under commie's ass. Make Commie think you still don't believe in him so he tries that much harder to "prove you wrong"


Isn't Commie old enough and experienced enough so that he shouldn't need that kind of motivational tactic?

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 05:03 AM

Perhaps Babcock didn't want to put the two most unexperienced ones Smith and Kindl together?

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 07:35 AM

Yeah I think last year's starting pairings at the beginning and after training camp were:

Lidstrom-Kronwall
Stuart-Rafalski
Ericsson-Salei

Then because Babs wanted size against the Getzlaf line, he made a temporary switch in his original idea:

Lidstrom-Ericsson
Stuart-Rafalski
Kronwall-Salei

Then Ericsson got injured in that game. I don't exactly remember what happened then but iirc I think Babs rotated and double shifted Stuart, Kronwall and Rafalski with Lidstrom. Over the next eight games of the whole rotation experiment while Ericsson healed up and Kindl got a few minutes, Babs evidently and especially liked what he saw with the Lidstrom and Stuart pairing and then set the theoretical "one puck mover and one physical presence" lines as the team's number one main option for the rest of the season if all dmen were healthy:

Lidstrom-Stuart
Kronwall-Salei
Ericsson-Rafalski

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 08:42 AM

Isn't Commie old enough and experienced enough so that he shouldn't need that kind of motivational tactic?


Probably, but from Babcock's point of view, it tells Commie exactly what he thinks of him and where he stands without having to lecture the guy like he's 5 years old. I'm sure Commie has already put 2 and 2 together and knows he's in the hot seat, but I think it's important to have that communication directly from the coach. The more input, the better, and when it's this kind of input, the gentler the delivery, the better.

I don't think Babs would bury anybody right off the bat without seeing what they can do. It'd be kind of pointless to waste a potential asset to the team before you've even seen if he's turned over a new leaf or not. Lingering feelings or no, he has to do what's best for the team.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 12:09 PM

I hope Kindl is 85ft wide or he'll have a tough time covering for the big pylon.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 06:38 PM

I find it funny to get a negative for a joke.... The :ninja: means ha ha funny and not being serious....but some folks are just so negative that they don't take a moment to actually read it. Seriously though, I think I am not alone in hoping Commodore makes the #6 spot over Kindl...

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:21 AM

Perhaps there was a reason 'Commie' found himself in the AHL last season...


Exactly. I like the Commodore signing for the price and depth purposes, but he couldn't stay up with Columbus and they have one of the worst defensive units in the league.
 
 
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:49 PM

Exactly. I like the Commodore signing for the price and depth purposes, but he couldn't stay up with Columbus and they have one of the worst defensive units in the league.

How do you think Lids would fair on such an awful defense like Columbus had? I think you would see real low numbers from him as well. I think as a whole the D has to be fairly good. Can't be up to one person. That's why I think Commodore will do good here. He has other good/great D that will free him up somewhat so that he can play his true game and not a style that he really doesn't play. But that's just me.
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 07:52 PM

I find it funny to get a negative for a joke.... The :ninja: means ha ha funny and not being serious....but some folks are just so negative that they don't take a moment to actually read it. Seriously though, I think I am not alone in hoping Commodore makes the #6 spot over Kindl...

Looks like someone is going negative happy on here. Give me one guess and i probably can tell you who it is.
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