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[hooon]

The 40 million is ridiculous but I don't think they actually expect to get paid that amount. I'm certainly no legal expert, but isn't this somewhat common in cases like this?

They ask for some insane amount of money that they know they'll never get with the hope that a settlement is reached for a much smaller (yet still significant) sum of money.



Either way, I agree with most of you... enough is enough. I used to be one of the biggest Bert haters. I forgave him long ago because I genuinely believe he is penitent and seemed to do everything he could to make amends. Bertuzzi suffered majorly as a result of his actions, and it seems to have humbled him. He hasn't done anything remotely similar since it happened.

It was a stupid, horrible thing for Bertuzzi to do, but the intention was not there to end his career. It was a heat of the moment thing with flukey results that got out of hand.

I have seen several videos of our own Darren McCarty doing things VERY similar to what Bertuzzi did (possibly with even more malice and force behind the punch), and the reason we're still talking about Bert is because of the results of the injury, not the actual incident.

[Draperfan]

ugh, obviously unfortunate what happened but everyone just needs to move on. it's not like moore was some superstar who would have made 100 million dollars in his career, guy was a scrub and borderline nhler.. piss off

Yeah i agree.just break the guys neck and move on Moore was only a fourth line player so that makes him expendable.I hope Moore wins his settlement,i would be one happy guy

[Draperfan]

As much as i think it's time for everyone to move on from this it's Bertuzzi's own fault. I don't buy this whole nonsense about blaming the dog pile either, he suckered him and drove him face first into the ice with extreme force. The dog pile after was nothing compared to that, and for who ever said it was his team mates, watch the video, one Avalanche player jumps on Bert to stop him from continuing to hit Moore and is then followed by two more Canucks.

WOW someone finally with brains

[GSBrooks13]

Yeah i agree.just break the guys neck and move on Moore was only a fourth line player so that makes him expendable.I hope Moore wins his settlement,i would be one happy guy

I think you missed his point there. The point wasn't that Moore was expendable, the point is that he almost certainly wouldn't have made 38 million dollars as a player.

So when you say you would be happy if Moore won, do you mean if he is awarded the full 40 million? You really believe Bertuzzi should be paying out of his own pocket for likely the rest of his life for a one time lapse of judgement in a heated situation after already serving his original punishment?

[stevie for president]

I know I said this half jokingly but I just wanna repeat... If Moore can sue bertuzzi, why can't naslund sue Moore? Why can't lindros sue Stevens? Crosby should sue steckel and hedman an half the NHL should sue Cooke.

No matter how much you want to clean up the game, the fact remains hockey is a very dangerous sport and you should assume all risks when you play at the highest level. We've come to a point in society where we want to always blame the other guy. Sure, this would have all been avoided if bertuzzi didn't cheap shot moore. Then again, this could all have been avoided if Moore didn't cheap shot naslund. At any rate, naslund, Moore, and bertuzzi all share some blame in this mess. When you get injured it's your fault and the other players fault. Therefore, in my opinion, the injured player assumes some of the blame and ALL of the risk. Don't play hockey if you want to get injured. And don't head hunt on the leagues top scorer if you don't want to fight (and yea you might have to fight multiple times. Claude Lemieux wasn't done after he turtles against McCarty)

[WorkingOvertime]

I know I said this half jokingly but I just wanna repeat... If Moore can sue bertuzzi, why can't naslund sue Moore? Why can't lindros sue Stevens? Crosby should sue steckel and hedman an half the NHL should sue Cooke.

No matter how much you want to clean up the game, the fact remains hockey is a very dangerous sport and you should assume all risks when you play at the highest level. We've come to a point in society where we want to always blame the other guy. Sure, this would have all been avoided if bertuzzi didn't cheap shot moore. Then again, this could all have been avoided if Moore didn't cheap shot naslund. At any rate, naslund, Moore, and bertuzzi all share some blame in this mess. When you get injured it's your fault and the other players fault. Therefore, in my opinion, the injured player assumes some of the blame and ALL of the risk. Don't play hockey if you want to get injured. And don't head hunt on the leagues top scorer if you don't want to fight (and yea you might have to fight multiple times. Claude Lemieux wasn't done after he turtles against McCarty)

The reason this lawsuit is allowed/occurring, is because it was premeditated (I believe this is documented). I certainly don't agree with the money, but IMO that is why this case is allowed to occur.

[hillbillywingsfan]

WOW someone finally with brains

wow finally have some........nope...same old draperfan.

[toby91_ca]

Yeah i agree.just break the guys neck and move on Moore was only a fourth line player so that makes him expendable.I hope Moore wins his settlement,i would be one happy guy

The issue is the amount he is suing for, nothing more. At least, that's my issue, which I also suspect most others would have as well. Now, you could argue that Moore wouldn't be in the league anyway, even if the incident didn't occur. You can certainly argue that Bertuzzi didn't end his career. I think those arguments woudl be brought up to defend against the claims, but that doesnt' change the fact that Moore at least has some legitmate reason to sue for damages. I have no problem at all with that (even though it's realively unoridinary). It's the amount he is suing for that's the problem.

I think the reason he is suing at all has something to due with his nature of a borderline player. This guy wasn't getting rich playing the game, so he's now looking to get paid so he can live of the windfall. If Bertuzzi had done this to a star player that had made millions over his career, there may be less of a chance for lawsuit (I could be totally wrong though, maybe in that case, lawyers would get involved and want MORE money).

[toby91_ca]

I know I said this half jokingly but I just wanna repeat... If Moore can sue bertuzzi, why can't naslund sue Moore? Why can't lindros sue Stevens? Crosby should sue steckel and hedman an half the NHL should sue Cooke.

The problem is, you can probably make a more direct link between what Bertuzzi did and Moore now being out of the league. If you think about Lindros, he had years of concussion issues, you can't really blame it on one incident. Same with Savard.

[RusDRW]

Same with Savard.

I thinks it is pretty clear to everyone who actually ended Savard career, when it happened and how it happened. I think the actual difference is that Savard was better player and earned a plenty of money himself. That is a bit unfair...

[toby91_ca]

I thinks it is pretty clear to everyone who actually ended Savard career, when it happened and how it happened. I think the actual difference is that Savard was better player and earned a plenty of money himself. That is a bit unfair...

Savard has a long history of concussion problems which started way before he ever came into contact with Matt Cooke.

[haroldsnepsts]

I thinks it is pretty clear to everyone who actually ended Savard career, when it happened and how it happened. I think the actual difference is that Savard was better player and earned a plenty of money himself. That is a bit unfair...

Cooke's hit on Savard was a completely legal play at the time. Rightly or not, concussions that way are still considered a part of typical hockey play and within the bounds of the game, even when they may eventually end a player's career.

Being chased down from behind and suckerpunched, particularly after open threats by players in the media, is not considered a typical hockey play. It's also important to remember that the Avs and Canucks had played one another after the Naslund hit, without incident. It was a tie game, and Colin Campbell and Bettman were in attendance. The Bertuzzi incident happened in the second game after the Naslund hit, late in the game when the score was well out of reach for the Nucks.

It makes it seem awfully like premeditated vengeance.

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 20 September 2011 - 03:02 PM.

[sibiriak]

I think you missed his point there. The point wasn't that Moore was expendable, the point is that he almost certainly wouldn't have made 38 million dollars as a player.

So when you say you would be happy if Moore won, do you mean if he is awarded the full 40 million? You really believe Bertuzzi should be paying out of his own pocket for likely the rest of his life for a one time lapse of judgement in a heated situation after already serving his original punishment?

Isn't that how a justice system supposed to work? If you miss a stop sign and hit someone with your car and seriously injure them, wouldn't you "be paying out of (your) own pocket for likely the rest of (your) life for a one time lapse of judgement"?

It seems that Moore claims that Bertuzzi's hit caused him a brain injury that not only ended his hockey carreer, but also jeopardized his post-hockey carreer in finance, that Moore's Harvard degree could lead to. That's part of the $40 mil lifetime earnings figure. Also I'm sure pain and suffering and legal expenses figure prominently.
Bertuzzi already pled guilty to this in the criminal case. So it is now proper for the civil court to decide how much compensation is fair. Moore's attorneys would be negligent if they didn't try to open the bidding as high as possible.

[GSBrooks13]

Isn't that how a justice system supposed to work? If you miss a stop sign and hit someone with your car and seriously injure them, wouldn't you "be paying out of (your) own pocket for likely the rest of (your) life for a one time lapse of judgement"?

It seems that Moore claims that Bertuzzi's hit caused him a brain injury that not only ended his hockey carreer, but also jeopardized his post-hockey carreer in finance, that Moore's Harvard degree could lead to. That's part of the $40 mil lifetime earnings figure. Also I'm sure pain and suffering and legal expenses figure prominently.
Bertuzzi already pled guilty to this in the criminal case. So it is now proper for the civil court to decide how much compensation is fair. Moore's attorneys would be negligent if they didn't try to open the bidding as high as possible.

From what I have read in interviews with Moore's lawyers the 38 million is straight up the amount they decided would have earned from playing and the extra couple million is for the rest, those reports could have been wrong but I trust the Globe and Mail do their research before posting articles. Also, I am not arguing the point of starting the bidding that high, its obvious and done with almost every lawsuit I have ever heard about. I was simply asking the poster that I had quoted if he thought that amount was fair since he said he would be happy if Moore just flat out won.

[sleepwalker]

Isn't that how a justice system supposed to work? If you miss a stop sign and hit someone with your car and seriously injure them, wouldn't you "be paying out of (your) own pocket for likely the rest of (your) life for a one time lapse of judgement"?

No, you wouldn't be paying the claim out of your own pocket for that. Thats the whole point of insurance.

Edited by sleepwalker, 20 September 2011 - 04:43 PM.

[sibiriak]

No, you wouldn't be paying the claim out of your own pocket for that. Thats the whole point of insurance.

Too bad Bertuzzi never took out that player liability insurance. He'd sleep easier now.