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#21 brett

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 08:57 PM

ive given up on his "breakout season"

but maybe it will be different playing with mule and Z

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:53 PM

Let's be logical and honesty here in talking about when Fil "should have" have his breakout season.

In 06-07 is was a rookie. 07-08 he almost scored 20 goals, maybe not a legit breakout season, but for a 2nd year player, that's pretty good. It was definitely a big step up from his rookie season. In 08-09 he was demoted with the signing of Hossa, and in 09-10 he was out for half the season, yet still had some extremely impressive stretches of play, despite playing with 4th liners for a good period of time when he got back from his injury. The only real disappointing was last season.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 03:01 AM

The other thing is he is an unbelievably streaky player. All his points seem to come in 8 or 10 game stretches when he's on fire, the rest of the time he's ice-cold.

And a lot can depend on his line-mates. Is Zetterberg going to be fit and healthy or skating in treacle because of his back? Is Franzen going to be the motivated goal machine he can be or will he mail it in like he did the 2nd half of last season?
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 07:48 AM

The other thing is he is an unbelievably streaky player. All his points seem to come in 8 or 10 game stretches when he's on fire, the rest of the time he's ice-cold.

And a lot can depend on his line-mates. Is Zetterberg going to be fit and healthy or skating in treacle because of his back? Is Franzen going to be the motivated goal machine he can be or will he mail it in like he did the 2nd half of last season?


But none of that will matter if he scores within ten points of Hudler. Regardless of whether Hudler scores 10 or 90.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:08 AM

A lot of the things Filppula does on the ice doesn't show up on the score-sheet and he also is one of the few Wings who steps up his game significantly in the playoffs, but with that said a break out year is anywhere north of 50 points and I think he'll reach that mark this season.


This is exactly my thinking. I am still not sure what has happened since we won the last cup, but our defense has been very suspect and it has nothing to do with Lids or his age. Players like Fil that are versatile are the glue that holds the team together. Where were the wings in terms of overall scoring compared to the rest of the league last year? I can say with confidence that we had one of the most balanced attacks in the NHL. That being said - we dont really need Fil to be that star player. His personality suggests that he is comfortable being the excellent supporting player and team first guy. If he's not that superstar, and the Wings dont need the offense, why force him to be someone that he's not? Personally I love having a guy that can skate, backcheck, win faceoffs, play LW or C, and provide decent support.

I agree.

The past two seasons, especially last year, I questioned the teamwork of this club. It seemed like no one trusted anyone out there and it showed up in our GAA. You had some players trying to do to much and others not doing enough. Multiple times during intermission interviews did we hear about trust not being there, people trying to do other peoples job on the ice. A couple of games after we would see the Wings play as good as they can but after that back to the normal inconsistent untrusting teamwork.

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What is a "breakout year" for Fil in terms of points?
60+ points


How many points will Filppula score in 11-12?
45-50 points is my guess. The only thing stopping Flip from being a legit 2nd line scoring center is consistency.


This is what I was talking about. I am not sure if it was just not knowing what their Defensive partner was going to do, or not expecting a pass, but something was a fraction of a second off. With our rotating D last season no one had a chance to get into a groove and just play. The D corps seemed to slow down their thinking a bit, and make the safe play off the boards to get it out. That has NEVER been the best option in the Wings' system. This is also partially due to the bad defensive positioning of some of our forwards coming back - not backchecking hard enough or being available for a pass. Lids said it best; "I think we just need a bigger commitment to team defense. We need to get back to that and it will help our game." <<<-- In my opinion that is where Fil can be a leader - backchecking and commitment to defense.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:31 AM


But none of that will matter if he scores within ten points of Hudler. Regardless of whether Hudler scores 10 or 90.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:45 AM

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I just pee'd in my pant's a little....I think if Flip is playing Z and Mule or Dats which I really like last year, he will come up as being one of the better "all around" players. He is great defensivley, fantastic playmaker, he has hands and his shot look's pretty nice at time's this year as well. I have a feeling he's pulling it out this year...
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:21 AM

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You fail at comprehending statements. It's an indictment of LGW. If Flip scores 35+ points, he'll be fine. If he doesn't, people will be too busy being upset with Hudler's performance to care about how many points Flip scored.
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:27 AM

You fail at comprehending statements. It's an indictment of LGW. If Flip scores 35+ points, he'll be fine. If he doesn't, people will be too busy being upset with Hudler's performance to care about how many points Flip scored.

No I didn't. Doesn't matter what the thread is about you will post something about Hudler being mistreated or whatever. I don't think anyone even said Hudler on any post in this thread until you did.
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 01:20 PM

No I didn't. Doesn't matter what the thread is about you will post something about Hudler being mistreated or whatever. I don't think anyone even said Hudler on any post in this thread until you did.


That's pretty much how it goes.

At least we got a little vacation when he went to HF with that nonsense. Back to LGW reality I guess.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 02:58 PM


But none of that will matter if he scores within ten points of Hudler. Regardless of whether Hudler scores 10 or 90.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:28 PM


But none of that will matter if he scores within ten points of Hudler. Regardless of whether Hudler scores 10 or 90.

Flipper is going to give half of his points this season to *thou shall not be named* so you can be happy and stop talking about him.

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We can all hope at least.

As for Flipper himself, 50 seems like a nice goal. I've accepted that he's more of a two-way player than a guy to be primarily/solely counted on for offense alone. He has a great all-around game which makes him valuable. Whether you think that is enough to warrant his current salary because of any lack of offense or whatever, you be the judge.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 09:26 PM

Flipper is going to give half of his points this season to *thou shall not be named* so you can be happy and stop talking about him.

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We can all hope at least.

As for Flipper himself, 50 seems like a nice goal. I've accepted that he's more of a two-way player than a guy to be primarily/solely counted on for offense alone. He has a great all-around game which makes him valuable. Whether you think that is enough to warrant his current salary because of any lack of offense or whatever, you be the judge.


I knew he would get to this thread eventually. I am actually thankful we got some decent data and responses before he did.

Most seem to think a breakout year for him is the 60+ point range, which I personally think is a little high for Fil. Right now he just doesn't seem capable of that kind of offensive consistency, ESPECIALLY if he has to play center. And for this year, most seem to think he'll land in the 45-55 range.

I think a legitimately valid breakout year for him is the 52-55 range but only a 60+ regular season as well as a typical (at least) performance from him in the playoffs will really shut everybody up about Fil. Not a ppg pace that leads to 60 points. Not 16 point in 17 games or whatever. And those really aren't my "beliefs" but moreso an observation of Red Wings forums.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 10:03 PM

He might be using up all of his scoring prowess in the pre-season. :hehe:

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 04:18 AM

It's not just Flip, most of the team plays too team-conscious. I love a team-first mentality, but it seems like very few the past two seasons have been willing to just take over a game like they used to. Teamwork is great, but SOMEONE has to be relied on consistently.


Qualitatively and quantitatively the past few years have been different. The hunger or edge before they won the cup in 08 seems a tad faded and the regular season numbers are slightly lower. I make that observation a lot myself. Yes, the playoffs are the most important but man it's hard to watch them look so bored in the regular season at times. Although, it would've been interesting to see last year if Datsyuk had not gotten injured. Obviously Zetterberg wouldn't have taken over games as much but I think Pav would have for his fair share. In 09 they had Hossa; 09-10 they had injuries; 10-11 they had some injuries as well... I guess; so for me, this year will tell a lot in terms of their regular season performance and what we can hopefully expect. So far it seems like the most consistent force the past few years is the presence of the injury bug.

But which individuals in the league take over a game on a frequent basis? I mean, the names Crosby, the Sedins, Ovechkin, St. Louis and Stamkos, Getzlaf & Perry perhaps come to mind. But does every likely playoff team have a player like that? It doesn't seem like it. I mean, all playoff bound teams probably have a player that could take over a game if needed but it just doesn't seem to happen for them either.

I was thinking about this whole team-first two-way play (and supposedly not as much focus on offense) mentality and It's interesting to compare the team now to the way it was in the Yzerman-era. If we are to assume that culture started with Scotty Bowman and came to fruition around the time of the 97 cup, the same culture that heavily influences the Wings to this day, then Yzerman (age 30) and Fedorov (age 26) averaged a ppg pace of .974 and .972 respectively as the team's main go-to guys in a team-first two-way play culture from 94-95 to 01-02 or 02-03 (Stevie and Sergei's last valid year as go to guys). Pav and Z, since 05-06, ages 28 and 26, which is just about when the team slotted them as the main go-to guys on offense, have scored a ppg pace of 1.10 and 1.05. Now, of course we have a lot of other different variables to bear in mind (post-lockout changes to the game, parity, etc.) but it's interesting to see another sign that Pav and Z in some ways are right there keeping the Red Wings playoff machine plugging along.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 06:45 AM

I feel like Fil's first goal of the season highlights a big difference this year in comparison to last year. He shot the puck, which is a great thing, but it's not just that. I feel like last year in that situation he would have tried to overhandle the puck and then circle behind the net looking to make a pass or an overall low percentage play. I'm happy he shot it and scored on it because that goal in particular should really encourage him to "Just Shoot!" a little more.

And this is really just an observation here. I really, really don't mean to dog Fil at all. I read the report and saw that Fil scored off a one-timer give and go. I thought to myself, "Alright! He scored a goal that probably doesn't look like his own unique and odd mixture of weird and lucky." But it did a little, not gonna lie. A goal is a goal is a goal, no doubt. I just think that sometimes a mixture of him not being all that confident in his shot/scoring or passing ability right now along with the fact that sometimes a bounce leads to a goal is just a recipe for a weird looking goal. The way he shot that puck was just like, "Yeah I'll put a shot on net and see what happens." Ultimately I look forward to the day when we see him scoring often and with the utmost confidence.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:17 AM

I'll keep going back to the fact that he scored 19 goals in his seasond season, you don't do that unless you have some serious talent and genuine scoring ability. He's looked excellent so far this season, but even when the points don't come, he's still such a valuable player as he's all over the ice, creating chances, playing strong defensively. There's way more to Flip than just his numbers, but I do think he can hit 50 points this season.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:06 AM

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:25 AM

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You're really playing the heel, eh?

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:33 PM

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I really think you need to get laid.

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