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#21 wings1110

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 10:32 PM

they better not build a small rink as far as attendance.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 01:25 AM

What about Belle Tire Arena?

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:00 AM

Hockeytown Arena?

No?

Well, the good thing is it hopefully won't be a shared arena with the Pistons.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 09:44 AM

No arena in the NHL has better sight lines than the Joe. Just ask the Sharks fans - there is an actual rule that you can't lean forward because you'll block others sight. A new arena will not be as good because of the suites. Cheap seats will suffer. Bank on it.
So the Joe is not as sparkly as other arenas - I go there to watch a game, not shop or "dine" or be seen, and the Joe is the best place for that.
Americans have no respect for history. Tiger Stadium, the oldest open-air park in the world, was left to molder and eventually be torn down. I think that's just pitiful. What if Italians just tore down the Coliseum or the Sistine Chapel because they were too old? No one back then thought they'd be standing thousands of years later. Not that I think the Joe is on par with these treasures, but it really is a monument to great planning. I'll take the run-down Joe with it's gray columns and outhouses in the smoking area over a brand-new, sparkly testament to bigger, better, faster any day.


This is how I feel as well. Nearly every seat at the Joe is good. New arena will mean packing more seats in, which means the cheap seats are going to be further away from the ice. I don't care how old the place is, it's a great venue to watch our team play. The new arena will most definitely get a corporate name, which is a shame. The Wings are already being tarnished with this Amway deal, who knows what embarrassing name will be plastered all over the new arena.

Americans really don't have respect for history. Just look at what's happening with a lot of the downtown Detroit buildings. These are architecturally beautiful buildings that are being torn down instead of restored. Perhaps if the city gov't wasn't full of crooks, they could afford to do so. (sorry for the rant...)

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 11:18 AM

No arena in the NHL has better sight lines than the Joe. Just ask the Sharks fans - there is an actual rule that you can't lean forward because you'll block others sight. A new arena will not be as good because of the suites. Cheap seats will suffer. Bank on it.
So the Joe is not as sparkly as other arenas - I go there to watch a game, not shop or "dine" or be seen, and the Joe is the best place for that.
Americans have no respect for history. Tiger Stadium, the oldest open-air park in the world, was left to molder and eventually be torn down. I think that's just pitiful. What if Italians just tore down the Coliseum or the Sistine Chapel because they were too old? No one back then thought they'd be standing thousands of years later. Not that I think the Joe is on par with these treasures, but it really is a monument to great planning. I'll take the run-down Joe with it's gray columns and outhouses in the smoking area over a brand-new, sparkly testament to bigger, better, faster any day.


For starters, it is much easier to maintain those buildings than composite structures like Tiger Stadium and Joe Louis.

Second, the Joe is surrounded by highways, without any sort of pre-game or post-game activities. It needs to be put in a more prime location to promote business and activity in the downtown area.

Third, the Coliseum and Sistine Chapel are historic relics for many different reasons. Hell, there are other buildings in Detroit that are much more important to keep standing than the Tiger Stadium.

It is unfortunate we will lose the great sightlines that we have now, but there will need to be a new arena in the future. It just needs to happen.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:59 PM

Joe Louis forever. New arena is only going to help the rich. The old arena is for the middle class.
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 01:07 PM

This is how I feel as well. Nearly every seat at the Joe is good. New arena will mean packing more seats in, which means the cheap seats are going to be further away from the ice. I don't care how old the place is, it's a great venue to watch our team play. The new arena will most definitely get a corporate name, which is a shame. The Wings are already being tarnished with this Amway deal, who knows what embarrassing name will be plastered all over the new arena.

Americans really don't have respect for history. Just look at what's happening with a lot of the downtown Detroit buildings. These are architecturally beautiful buildings that are being torn down instead of restored. Perhaps if the city gov't wasn't full of crooks, they could afford to do so. (sorry for the rant...)


if they let the lafayette building go, don't expect the joe to survive. gods willing, they will find a compromise that keeps the lines of sight while still expanding the seating (and you know they'll be taking the boards from the joe!!). it can still be done, whilst improving the outer-arena amenities.

i've had many a memorable night at the joe, and will be sad to see it put to other use/demolished. and like doc said, jla is not in the best location for making it a night on the town...truth is, the space would be better used for expanding cobo/cobo parking (not to be callous, just realistic). sure, i'd love to see it turned into some kind of NHL museum (heh, like gary would ever allow that!), but the realities of detroit just won't allow that.

again, all we can hope for is that the architects involved are respectful of the many virtues of JLA. AMWAY Arena is a gross sounding name, but if my wings win in the building, and i can see okay from the cheaps, i don't care if they call it Claude Lemieux!!
now, if they expletive it up, and its just another NHL razzle dazzle stinkhole...then i'll get bitter. but still nothing a few more stanley cup banners wouldn't fix.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 01:42 PM

I totally get where everyone is coming from with the history and such at the Joe, and as Gary Thorne puts it in NHL 12 "many-a big games played here, and many more to come", but realistically we cant keep it forever. Its just not possible.

Im not all for the mini-city around the rink like the arena in PHX, but we could def use an upgrade to what we have. Especially when that new light-rail is put in place running down Woodward, imagine how sweet that will be if the lions, tigers, and wings are all in that area. place will be nuts!

Im all for it, my only request is that they keep the Joe Louis Arena name somehow.
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 03:51 PM

I totally get where everyone is coming from with the history and such at the Joe, and as Gary Thorne puts it in NHL 12 "many-a big games played here, and many more to come", but realistically we cant keep it forever. Its just not possible.

Im not all for the mini-city around the rink like the arena in PHX, but we could def use an upgrade to what we have. Especially when that new light-rail is put in place running down Woodward, imagine how sweet that will be if the lions, tigers, and wings are all in that area. place will be nuts!

Im all for it, my only request is that they keep the Joe Louis Arena name somehow.


Its pretty much a sure thing that the new arena will be on Foxtown somewhere, but that's not where I'd like it ideally. It would be nice if it was kept close to where the Joe is now, so that we have a couple areas in Detroit that will see more business and flourish. If the Joe leaves its current location, there's pretty much nothing on that side of town to attract business.

Everyone always hangs out in Foxtown and Greektown, because that's where the action is. If the new arena was placed elsewhere, it could help revitalize another area of downtown Detroit.

Edited by ACallToArms, 03 October 2011 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 10:07 AM

At this point I am praying for Little Ceasers Pavilion/Palace over the dreaded Amway Arena.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 12:39 PM

Its pretty much a sure thing that the new arena will be on Foxtown somewhere, but that's not where I'd like it ideally. It would be nice if it was kept close to where the Joe is now, so that we have a couple areas in Detroit that will see more business and flourish. If the Joe leaves its current location, there's pretty much nothing on that side of town to attract business.

Everyone always hangs out in Foxtown and Greektown, because that's where the action is. If the new arena was placed elsewhere, it could help revitalize another area of downtown Detroit.


Good point. What scares me about trying to revitalize a different part of the city is the likelihood of it actually being done. And im sure the investors on the new rink wouldnt want to put it in the middle of the ghetto without some sort of deal with other potential new bar owners saying they will put in bars if the rink is there.

Im just trying to think of a spot in the city that you could just level and still have good access to highways for fans. Tiger stadium would be out of the question I imagine even though the easy access to the highways and a couple bars to get the ball rolling.

Hopefully im not too off topic...
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:16 PM

I'd like to see the Joe Louis name find its way into the name if the new arena does in fact get done, but if it does not I'd prefer that the arena have a name that is more Michigan esque. If they try to spruce up the JLA name then how about...

Gordie Howe Rink @ JLA
Steve Yzerman Rink @ JLA


I know the Milwaukee Admirals off the top of my head actually have a name for the rink itself even though it is located within the Bradley Center. I believe it is called the Jane Bradley Petit Rink or something along those lines.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 09:02 PM

No arena in the NHL has better sight lines than the Joe. Just ask the Sharks fans - there is an actual rule that you can't lean forward because you'll block others sight. A new arena will not be as good because of the suites. Cheap seats will suffer. Bank on it.
So the Joe is not as sparkly as other arenas - I go there to watch a game, not shop or "dine" or be seen, and the Joe is the best place for that.
Americans have no respect for history. Tiger Stadium, the oldest open-air park in the world, was left to molder and eventually be torn down. I think that's just pitiful. What if Italians just tore down the Coliseum or the Sistine Chapel because they were too old? No one back then thought they'd be standing thousands of years later. Not that I think the Joe is on par with these treasures, but it really is a monument to great planning. I'll take the run-down Joe with it's gray columns and outhouses in the smoking area over a brand-new, sparkly testament to bigger, better, faster any day.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 08:45 PM

Getting rid of the Joe is the same as getting rid of the Toledo Sports Arena (I'm from Toledo area). The places (JLA and TSA) are/were good for hockey, not for corporate events. I do not like that arenas are becoming so corporate driven especially in the names. Hockey fans are generally bluecollar people and not white collar so raising ticket prices is a bad idea.


This is all simply my opinion.



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Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:49 AM

Good point. What scares me about trying to revitalize a different part of the city is the likelihood of it actually being done. And im sure the investors on the new rink wouldnt want to put it in the middle of the ghetto without some sort of deal with other potential new bar owners saying they will put in bars if the rink is there.

Im just trying to think of a spot in the city that you could just level and still have good access to highways for fans. Tiger stadium would be out of the question I imagine even though the easy access to the highways and a couple bars to get the ball rolling.

Hopefully im not too off topic...


I've been saying for years that a new stadium should go in the old Tiger Stadium spot, either Red Wings or Pistons. I really like Corktown, and it would help the area out tremendously. Unfortunately, it probably makes more financial success to put it in a proven area like Foxtown instead of taking a gamble by putting it elsewhere for the sake of revitalizing a neighborhood.

Now that I think about it, Motor City Casino is pretty close to that area. An arena near corktown would drive business to the Illich's casino.... hmmmmmm

Edited by ACallToArms, 06 October 2011 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2011 - 10:50 AM

Amway Arena...barf. Little Ceasar's Colleseum...meh. Gordie Howe Hall.... DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:46 AM

Amway Arena...barf. Little Ceasar's Colleseum...meh. Gordie Howe Hall.... DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.

I'm kinda partial to Octopus Garden. Think Paul & Ringo would sue?

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:47 AM

I too can see both sides of the issue. The Wings need a new arena, but the Joe is full of such charm, and history.....it would be a shame to part with it. My only hope is whatever is built for them in the coming year(s), it does NOT have the name Amway Arena. Good God, that sounds as bad as where the Coyotes play. The team's history alone warrants it something better than *Insert Corporate Name Here* Arena.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:10 PM

This is how I feel as well. Nearly every seat at the Joe is good. New arena will mean packing more seats in, which means the cheap seats are going to be further away from the ice. I don't care how old the place is, it's a great venue to watch our team play. The new arena will most definitely get a corporate name, which is a shame. The Wings are already being tarnished with this Amway deal, who knows what embarrassing name will be plastered all over the new arena.

Americans really don't have respect for history. Just look at what's happening with a lot of the downtown Detroit buildings. These are architecturally beautiful buildings that are being torn down instead of restored. Perhaps if the city gov't wasn't full of crooks, they could afford to do so. (sorry for the rant...)


I've seen this said many times on these boards over the past couple weeks, but I don't see how it's tarnished the Wings. It's really no different then any other power play sponsorship things they announced every PP, or PK or any other ads on the board. Is it just some hate we have against Amway? I personally don't even know what Amway is, maybe this is why I don't get it.

As for the new arena, I don't really have an opinion on whatever it's name will be. I just care about watching the Wings play and succeed.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:27 PM

If Illitch wants it, I won't be against it, he has brought me a lot of joy in my life with the Tigers and Red Wings.
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