MacArthur receives 2-game suspension for Abdelkader hit

[RedBengals 27]

That's a point that really hasn't been addressed. If the penalty is not head contact or illegal hitting, should the player be suspended for that? I don't think so unless it's flagrant.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Toronto Star.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Shocked that he would say that.

[jollymania 162]

Abdelkader should have been suspended for diving, sorry.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Abdelkader should have been suspended for diving, sorry.

He didn't dive. Sorry.

[jollymania 162]

He didn't dive. Sorry.

if you didn't think he dove i don't know what you are looking at, maybe ice at the corner of the screen

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

He didn't dive. Sorry.

I guess it comes down to semantics at some point. He was contacted in the head, yes, but he also stopped skating and fell down, arms spread, already pleading to the refs for a penalty. In my book that's a dive, and it's disappointing to see a Wings player doing that.

Watching the replay a few times, you can clearly see the delay between when Abby gets hit, and when he throws his arms up over his head. Not sure why you'd do that when you get in the head, unless it was to make it look worse than it was.

The natural reaction is to grab your head, or at least try and keep skating, if you're interested in playing hockey and not diving.

Edited October 3, 2011 by haroldsnepsts

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I guess it comes down to semantics at some point. He was contacted in the head, yes, but he also stopped skating and fell down, arms spread, already pleading to the refs for a penalty. In my book that's a dive, and it's disappointing to see a Wings player doing that.

He was knocked off balance and put his hands in the air in protest at having interference run on him and/or getting hit in the head.

It's not a dive, at all. If you want to argue embellishment that is fine, but there is no way you can think he dove from that.

[jollymania 162]

He was knocked off balance and put his hands in the air in protest at having interference run on him and/or getting hit in the head.

It's not a dive, at all. If you want to argue embellishment that is fine, but there is no way you can think he dove from that.

diving and embellishment are in the same category, the words are pretty much interchangeable

we can call it a flop then if that wording pleases you

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

diving and embellishment are in the same category, the words are pretty much interchangeable

we can call it a flop then if that wording pleases you

It wasn't a flop either. He got knocked off balance and put his arms up in protest.

The only reason it can be considered embellishment is because him trying to get the referee's attention on a weak hit. Sorry, not a dive.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

diving and embellishment are in the same category, the words are pretty much interchangeable

we can call it a flop then if that wording pleases you

Dive implies he went down by choice. IMO Abby did not go down by choice, regardless of arm action.

[cnot19 191]

Definite embellishment, also a bad suspension imo one game max

[jollymania 162]

Dive implies he went down by choice. IMO Abby did not go down by choice, regardless of arm action.

he still embellished and should have had discipline for it whether he fell by his own will or not, and i would say he did fall on his own will, I know I wouldn't have flopped there.

It wasn't a flop either. He got knocked off balance and put his arms up in protest.

The only reason it can be considered embellishment is because him trying to get the referee's attention on a weak hit. Sorry, not a dive.

then it is embellishment, same thing, they are the same category, you are just being a word-prick, he still was making a mockery of the sport

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

he still embellished and should have had discipline for it whether he fell by his own will or not, and i would say he did fall on his own will, I know I wouldn't have flopped there.

then it is embellishment, same thing, they are the same category, you are just being a word-prick, he still was making a mockery of the sport

Well I hope you get up in arms whenever someone protests a play or call from now on, because that is what you consider a "mockery of the sport."

And word-prick? Grow up.

[jollymania 162]

Well I hope you get up in arms whenever someone protests a play or call from now on, because that is what you consider a "mockery of the sport."

And word-prick? Grow up.

haha think whatever fairytale in your head you want, it was a bad play plain and simple, right now you are just being a gigantic homer and a half, it is a joke how biased you are.

Clear dive/embellishment, horrible suspension.

Edited October 3, 2011 by jollymania

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

He was knocked off balance and put his hands in the air in protest at having interference run on him and/or getting hit in the head.

It's not a dive, at all. If you want to argue embellishment that is fine, but there is no way you can think he dove from that.

Actually there is a way I can think he dove. You can state your opinion as fact, but it doesn't make it one and it doesn't negate my opinion either.

You may call it embellishment. Like I said, then it becomes a semantics argument. I would call most of these dives, even though many do start with contact from an opposing player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIlWcdT6i4

Players should play the game and let the refs worry about the penalty. If it were an actual hard hit to the head, the last thing Abby would think to do is turn and plead to the ref as he's falling.

Dive implies he went down by choice. IMO Abby did not go down by choice, regardless of arm action.

To me, diving implies he didn't make any effort to continue playing. Instead letting himself fall and throwing his arms in the air for even more drama.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Actually there is a way I can think he dove. You can state your opinion as fact, but it doesn't make it one and it doesn't negate my opinion either.

You may call it embellishment. Like I said, then it becomes a semantics argument. I would call most of these dives, even though many do start with contact from an opposing player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIlWcdT6i4

Please show me a dive on that video that compares to the Abdelkader "dive".

If you are of the opinion that he could have stayed on his feet and kept playing, we can agree to disagree. If not, you need to explain how you think him raising his arms in the air to signify distaste with a play is a dive.

Players should play the game and let the refs worry about the penalty. If it were an actual hard hit to the head, the last thing Abby would think to do is turn and plead to the ref as he's falling.

He was most likely contesting the fact Mac threw a pick which mainly got him in the head. You can miss a guy and still piss them off for assumed intent.

[vladdy16 2,154]

Doc, I'm usually right with you, but you're an island right now. Abby was selling it and selling it hard. And fine, you might piss someone off for intent, but not while you're falling. Most people wait til they hit the ice before protesting - they're too concerned about how they're falling and protecting themselves from injury. Yes, Abby was hit, but it was not suspension worthy and he should be a telemarketer with that kind of perseverance.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Doc, I'm usually right with you, but you're an island right now. Abby was selling it and selling it hard. And fine, you might piss someone off for intent, but not while you're falling. Most people wait til they hit the ice before protesting - they're too concerned about how they're falling and protecting themselves from injury. Yes, Abby was hit, but it was not suspension worthy and he should be a telemarketer with that kind of perseverance.

I don't think I've ever seen someone make that gesture without it meaning distaste with a play or referee.

Simply because he is falling during the process doesn't change it from "complaint" to "dive".

Also I don't understand the logic that he can risk injury while falling in a dive but can't risk injury while falling in a complaint to the referee.

Edited October 3, 2011 by Doc Holliday

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Please show me a dive on that video that compares to the Abdelkader "dive".

If you are of the opinion that he could have stayed on his feet and kept playing, we can agree to disagree. If not, you need to explain how you think him raising his arms in the air to signify distaste with a play is a dive.

He was most likely contesting the fact Mac threw a pick which mainly got him in the head. You can miss a guy and still piss them off for assumed intent.

It's not about whether or not he could've stayed on his feet, it's that he didn't even try to keep playing. He stopped playing hockey as he fell to the ice, making no attempt to keep his balance or get back up or see where the play was going, and had his arms out already pleading to the ref.

The fact that he has the presence of mind to plead to the ref as he falls tells me all I need to know about where his head was at and how bad this "headshot" actually was. It's not like he fell to the ice, saw the ref wasn't calling a penalty, then got up with his arms out in disbelief. He threw his arms over his head before he could've possible known if it was called a penalty or not, so he was trying to make it look much worse than it actually was.

That's a dive. And that's what every one of those clips in the video was.

Edited October 4, 2011 by haroldsnepsts

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

It's not about whether or not he could've stayed on his feet, it's that he didn't even try to keep playing. He stopped playing hockey as he fell to the ice, making no attempt to keep his balance or get back up or see where the play was going, and had his arms out already pleading to the ref.

There was hardly any time left on the clock, for starters.

Second, why the motivation to go after MacArthur if he didn't feel like there was foul play?

That's a dive. And that's what every one of those clips in the video was.

They aren't comparable.