Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 After young Edmonton prospect Taylor Fedun suffered a complex fracture off his right leg during an icing play, surely the NHL will soon adopt the no-touch icing rule? I know there is the occasional excitement when Helm races back to avoid the icing call, but to me the NHL has got to follow suit of other leagues throughout the world and adopt this rule. Too many needless, serious injuries for so few marginal exciting plays. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bentcobra 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Bring on the no touch icing, the occasional offensive player that manages to beat out an icing call is not worth the risk. There are plenty of other opportunities for players like Helm to display their speed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 The first hockey I really enjoyed was college hockey. I was used to no touch icing by the time I started watching the NHL about 4 months later. I really tried to understand what the benefit was to having touch icing. Yes, there are races for the puck and sometimes icing is negated. There are some times when someone gets shoved from behind or goes into the board awkward during the race causing injury. I firmly believe the risk of injury is not worth the races for the puck. We have already seen a couple injuries because of races for the puck in the preseason. I really don't want to see any player risk injury like that. Just my .02 cents. 1 P. Marlowe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 And the thing is, even if the forward does manage to get to the puck first, I don't think I'm being unrealistic to say that 80% of the time the opposition skates away with the puck anyway. You've negated the icing, but they still more often than not come away with the puck. It's not like you have goals galore created by the player who negates the icing call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBengals 27 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Enough teams like playing it out that the NHL won't go to no-touch. It results in too many ztoppages, the NHL prides itself on fast pace hockey. We already use a smaller rink. While it would prevent some injuries it doesn't cause enough for the NHL to give up a faster playing game. Disregard. I was thinking the goalie couldn't play the puck under no-touch rules. That's not true, he can still negate an icing behind the net. So my point is wrong and invalid. No Touch is much safer for the players. the intent of the touch rule is so if a player misses a pass it wont automatically result in an icing, it gives the attacking team a chance to retain possession. I'm pretty sure at least, hnestly i've never questioned it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Enough teams like playing it out that the NHL won't go to no-touch. It results in too many ztoppages, the NHL prides itself on fast pace hockey. We already use a smaller rink. While it would prevent some injuries it doesn't cause enough for the NHL to give up a faster playing game. Disregard. I was thinking the goalie couldn't play the puck under no-touch rules. That's not true, he can still negate an icing behind the net. So my point is wrong and invalid. No Touch is much safer for the players. the intent of the touch rule is so if a player misses a pass it wont automatically result in an icing, it gives the attacking team a chance to retain possession. I'm pretty sure at least, hnestly i've never questioned it. How many times a forwards beats the defenseman on the icing? Maybe once in a game. Doesn't add that many stoppages. With no touch icing there's even some playing time saved as referees don't need to wait for the defender to skate over and touch the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I hope not for a long time tbh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 How many times a forwards beats the defenseman on the icing? Maybe once in a game. Doesn't add that many stoppages. With no touch icing there's even some playing time saved as referees don't need to wait for the defender to skate over and touch the puck. Thats part of the reason why I like no touch icing. In college hockey, icing the puck in the last minute while you are holding onto a one goal lead is only useful if you can win the faceoff. The icing takes place right away and just a few seconds elapses. Its not like the NHL where the defenseman has to hustle back to touch the puck and you can get a good 5-10 seconds off the clock before they touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 After young Edmonton prospect Taylor Fedun suffered a complex fracture off his right leg during an icing play, surely the NHL will soon adopt the no-touch icing rule? I know there is the occasional excitement when Helm races back to avoid the icing call, but to me the NHL has got to follow suit of other leagues throughout the world and adopt this rule. Too many needless, serious injuries for so few marginal exciting plays. Thoughts? That's what they said after the Kurtis Foster incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 hybrid icing is the way to go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 No touch hockey is on its way I think lol 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 No touch hockey is on its way I think lol People are already calling for a suspension for Alex Edler for his hit on Taylor Hall tonight. Any time the head is even touched, there is so much outcry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 People are already calling for a suspension for Alex Edler for his hit on Taylor Hall tonight. Any time the head is even touched, there is so much outcry. I havent see that one yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I havent see that one yet. It was nothing noteworthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Stevens 44 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 How about this: Add one more consequence to the team that ices the puck. Make them take a player and put him completely behind the goal-line of the opposite end of the rink, where he is not allowed to move until the official drops the puck. Then he has to skate like hell to get back into the play. The attacking team, in essence, gets a 3-4 second power play each time the other team ices the puck. I'd like to see that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I like the idea of "hybrid icing" as it were. No touch if an offensive player has not entered the attacking zone, touch if they have. So if you win a faceoff while in your own zone, and dump it all the way down, and your guys are on your own side of the ice, whistle goes. End of the play. But if you send it in from just behind the line, and you have a guy who is just behind the puck as it crosses the blueline, let him race. It might also lead to teams trying to fire the puck around on a line change, and get the new guy in the zone pressuring the goalie. It would kill stoppages because while teams might ice the puck to change lines, they would still have to have a "chaser" or they'd be screwed. More work for the guys stuck on the ice, harder to change everyone out on the fly = more goals due to opposing team fatigue. It definitely needs to change though. Also, kill the trapezoid. Icing injuries happen largely in situations where goalies can't play the puck to stop the offense from getting it. How many injuries have occurred since the trapezoid was installed? 1 Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Watching quite a number of international games, no-touch icing is something that has long made sense. Icing injuries have been prominent regardless of the trapezoid being implemented or not. Icing is a pretty clear intent play, blow it dead, move it back to the offending team's defensive zone faceoff circles. I don't like adding new perks or penalties or other bulls*** that just bogs the game down further adding layers of bureaucratic rules (can't wait until each player needs their own on-ice lawyer to argue with refs/officials) and confusing people. Players play international games too and know the rules, this change would really take zero time to get used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Enough teams like playing it out that the NHL won't go to no-touch. It results in too many ztoppages, the NHL prides itself on fast pace hockey. We already use a smaller rink. While it would prevent some injuries it doesn't cause enough for the NHL to give up a faster playing game. Disregard. I was thinking the goalie couldn't play the puck under no-touch rules. That's not true, he can still negate an icing behind the net. So my point is wrong and invalid. No Touch is much safer for the players. the intent of the touch rule is so if a player misses a pass it wont automatically result in an icing, it gives the attacking team a chance to retain possession. I'm pretty sure at least, hnestly i've never questioned it. It actually shortens the game. People are already calling for a suspension for Alex Edler for his hit on Taylor Hall tonight. Any time the head is even touched, there is so much outcry. It was Edler's wild elbow throw and intentional interference that sparked much of the outcry. I can see why he'd be suspended, but I don't think he should, but I can definitely see why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jocke 53 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I havent see that one yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBengals 27 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 It looks on that video like he had his back to the play. Good penalty because a headzhot did happen, but I don't know if that needs to be a suspension. The reason icing causes injuries is because in a race for the puck the first player in has his back to the second and they're both full speed. That leg break was nasty and will probably get no touch icing on the table at least. We should go to international sized rink like everyone else too while we're at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) IIRC on the Fedun incident someone on the Oilers broadcast was crying for some extra penalties or enforcement on top of the current tripping calls to be made? Why in the flying hell do more rules need to be made when a simple no touch icing rule that players are already familiar with solves that problem entirely. There's no need to punish the person that accidentally trips up someone "playing hockey" even further, there's no need to penalize the team that ices the puck even further. Just implement the damn thing. This has been sought after well before the stupid "safety" hysteria that has recently afflicted the NHL. Edited October 2, 2011 by Shoreline 1 P. Marlowe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Doesn't the CHL have no-tough icing? So players here in North America are accustomed to it at a young age. 1 Konnan511 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBengals 27 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I wonder how the players feel about No Touch rules? With so many leagues using it I don't see why the NHL doesn't use them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph 240 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 I like the idea of touch icing. You gotta give teams the option to strategically dump it and have someone go in chasing after it. Sometimes this happens in a desperation play from behind the red line. If you don't let something like that fly, it limits the flow of the game in my opinion. For example, if we're in the closing 20 seconds of a game and a player attempts a wild shot from behind the red line and misses the net, I want the option of having Helm chasing it into the zone to make one last effort. Though I will admit, this is not the case most of the time when icing is called. So I would be open to a hybrid system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Doesn't the CHL have no-tough icing? So players here in North America are accustomed to it at a young age. That's actually a great point. I think the only pro leagues that don't use no-touch icing are the AHL and NHL. ECHL uses no-touch icing. Junior hockey and college hockey both have no touch icing. International leagues use no touch icing. I'm in favor of no touch icing. You get the one or two instances a game where a player beats it out, but the majority of the time there aren't even heated races for the puck. If you want to shorten the length of a game, then go the no touch icing rule, it'll shave a few minutes off the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
