Eric Nystrom on waivers

[eva unit zero 271]

With Mursak down I would waive Brunnstrom for him to be honest.

We dont need a guy like Brunnstrom really and we could really use a guy like Nystrom. A guy who can enforce and play, its too bad we neded up locking these many guys up because he would be the perfect fit here.

The physicality he brings is worth the 3 less assists he gets than Miller while Miller is playing with better teams.

You play Nystrom with Eaves and Helm and he easily produces like Miller does

Which leaves a line of what, Holmstrom/Abdelkader/Bertuzzi?

And then we waive either Brunnstrom or Emmerton when Mursak gets back, or just waive Nystrom at that point?

Miller will barely be in the lineup. Nystrom would be in it less. Miller can at least play center, even though he can't take faceoffs worth a damn. Nystrom is better on faceoffs than Miller, but he's a much worse player. Nystrom's brand of toughness isn't that significant, certainly not enough to beat out Miller. And Miller's inability on faceoffs and redundancy on defense and PK will cause him to lose out for the 4th C position to Emmerton. Bank on it.

[jollymania 162]

i would take him

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

There is a reason why the Wild waived him, if he can't fit in on the Wild's roster, which is not deep by anyone's definition, why would it be different for the Wings? Brunnstrom showed heart and hard play and earned a contract, Nystrom got bounced from a team expected to contend for a lottery pick. Gotta get the enforcer glasses off, he just doesn't fit in the depth chart anywhere. Sorry.

The Wild waived him partly because they have lots of grit/toughness on their team and in the minors.

We don't.

It's all about needs. They don't need a player like that and we do.

Edited October 7, 2011 by GMRwings1983

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

No im going off seeing him play.

Yeah I would waive Miller for him too but as it is right now I would rather waive Brunnstrom and hope he makes it to Grand Rapids

He hasnt hacked it with Toronto or Dallas so I think they could risk him on the waiver wire, whereas Miller would get picked up most likely

Stupid idea. Brunnstrom earned a contract. Nystrom earned the AHL.

It would be a terrible idea to get a player with Brunnstrom's potential for nothing and waive him instead of other players who don't have the potential and are much more easily replaceable. All for a player who will likely won't get picked up by a single NHL team for free.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

His father is from Sweden and he has a Swedish last name. Would be a good fit here.

Just sayin.......

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

The Wild waived him partly because they have lots of grit/toughness on their team and in the minors.

We don't.

It's all about needs. They don't need a player like that and we do.

And people forget the Wings picked up Miller off waivers. And Commodore was put on waivers by Columbus.

I don't know a ton about Nystrom, but being waived doesn't necessarily mean they player has no value to any club.

[redwingfan19 293]

if only his name was spelled "erik" .....

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

And people forget the Wings picked up Miller off waivers. And Commodore was put on waivers by Columbus.

I don't know a ton about Nystrom, but being waived doesn't necessarily mean they player has no value to any club.

Do you believe any of the players you mentioned would be worth putting Brunnstrom on waivers?

[redwingfan19 293]

nystrom cleared per mckenzie

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Edited October 7, 2011 by redwingfan19

[Jusek 437]

I think ladies would love him!

[mjlegend 155]

We've all agreed that Drew Miller is the whipping boy this year? Cause I'm cool with that, I just wanna know.

I would hope there are better options this year when we have injured forwards rather than Miller on the top three lines.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

There is a reason why the Wild waived him, if he can't fit in on the Wild's roster, which is not deep by anyone's definition, why would it be different for the Wings? Brunnstrom showed heart and hard play and earned a contract, Nystrom got bounced from a team expected to contend for a lottery pick. Gotta get the enforcer glasses off, he just doesn't fit in the depth chart anywhere. Sorry.

The irony of your post is that Brunnstrom couldn't crack the Stars or Leafs last year, but somehow Nystrom is terrible for being waived after playing last year in the NHL.

I want Nystrom, or a player like him, but this isn't good timing for the Wings.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Do you believe any of the players you mentioned would be worth putting Brunnstrom on waivers?

What does that have to do with my post other than give you something to argue with me about?

The point of my post was not that they should put Brunnstom on waivers to get Nystrom, but I was pretty clearly making the general point that a player on waivers doesn't necessarily equal them being a crappy player, and listed two examples of current Wings that were once put on waivers to reinforce the point.

That's not to say I think Nystrom is awesome. In that same post, which you quoted, I also mentioned I don't know a ton about him. But given that in the enforcer debates people always ask for names of avaliable players that can play hockey and will drop the gloves, I understand why Newfy started the thread.

We've all agreed that Drew Miller is the whipping boy this year? Cause I'm cool with that, I just wanna know.

I would hope there are better options this year when we have injured forwards rather than Miller on the top three lines.

That distinction clearly still goes to Ericsson and Hudler.

Honestly I don't know that anyone is criticizing Miller. I'm sure not. I like him and think he's a decent player. But in this current Wings lineup, he's pretty redundant.

Edited October 7, 2011 by haroldsnepsts

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

What does that have to do with my post other than give you something to argue with me about?

The point of my post was not that they should put Brunnstom on waivers to get Nystrom, but I was pretty clearly making the general point that a player on waivers doesn't necessarily equal them being a crappy player, and listed two examples of current Wings that were once put on waivers to reinforce the point.

That's not to say I think Nystrom is awesome. In that same post, which you quoted, I also mentioned I don't know a ton about him. But given that in the enforcer debates people always ask for names of avaliable players that can play hockey and will drop the gloves, I understand why Newfy started the thread.

Isn't the point that to get Nystrom and actually use him we would have to put a player on waivers?

And since Brunnstrom was suggested, doesn't that make it important to the case at hand?

I was simply asking a question about the players and curious why newfy would think it is possibly a good idea to waive a player who had a great training camp who we got for nothing for someone who couldn't find a place on a bottom feeder.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Doc Holliday

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Isn't the point that to get Nystrom and actually use him we would have to put a player on waivers?

And since Brunnstrom was suggested, doesn't that make it important to the case at hand?

I was simply asking a question about the players and curious why newfy would think it is possibly a good idea to waive a player who had a great training camp who we got for nothing for someone who couldn't find a place on a bottom feeder.

But why were you asking me that? My post was specifically that a player being on waivers doesn't mean they suck.

And in Newfy's post he pretty clearly explains that he hopes Brunnstrom would clear waivers, whereas Miller likely wouldn't. And he's also pretty clearly explained why he'd want Nystrom.

You may disagree with his point, but his reasons are clear. I seemed like you were trying to draw me into an argument I wasn't a part of since Newfy wouldn't engage.

Edited October 7, 2011 by haroldsnepsts

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

But why were you asking me that? My post was specifically that a player being on waivers doesn't mean they suck.

And in Newfy's post he pretty clearly explains that he hopes Brunnstrom would clear waivers, whereas Miller likely wouldn't. And he's also pretty clearly explained why he'd want Nystrom.

You may disagree with his point, but his reasons are clear. I seemed like you were trying to draw me into an argument I wasn't a part of since Newfy wouldn't engage.

No, I was simply asking a question about it. I didn't challenge your opinion. I asked a question about a suggestion brought up. Not a big deal.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

nystrom cleared per mckenzie

/thread

[Guest Heaten]

With Mursak down I would waive Brunnstrom for him to be honest.

We dont need a guy like Brunnstrom really and we could really use a guy like Nystrom. A guy who can enforce and play, its too bad we neded up locking these many guys up because he would be the perfect fit here.

The physicality he brings is worth the 3 less assists he gets than Miller while Miller is playing with better teams.

You play Nystrom with Eaves and Helm and he easily produces like Miller does

I couldn't disagree with this more. And I'm glad the greatest hockey minds in the world also don't agree with you, because is so badly flawed. Brunnstrom may not be a exceptional bottom 6 guy, but he gives Babcock options for the top 6 role. The team has too many 4th liners, way too many. The area they need help is in the top 6 role. While Bruno may not pan out, but the facts remain the same, he's low risk, high reward. Hudler and Filppula may go cold (which is highly probable) Babcock can mix things up with Bruno and keep competition in the top 6 role.

Miller, Abdelkader, Emmerton, Mursak are good enough bottom 6 players. The last thing from Holland's mind is bringing in, yet, more bottom 6 forwards.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Heaten

[Konnan511 1,736]

I couldn't disagree with this more. And I'm glad the greatest hockey minds in the world also don't agree with you, because is so badly flawed. Brunnstrom may not be a exceptional bottom 6 guy, but he gives Babcock options for the top 6 role. The team has too many 4th liners, way too many. The area they need help is in the top 6 role. While Bruno may not pan out, but the facts remain the same, he's low risk, high reward. Hudler and Filppula may go cold (which is highly probable) Babcock can mix things up with Bruno and keep competition in the top 6 role.

Miller, Abdelkader, Emmerton, Mursak are good enough bottom 6 players. The last thing from Holland's mind is bringing in, yet, more bottom 6 forwards.

Especially after they just dominated tonight. If the bottom six can put up at least one goal a night and be a threat for two a night, there won't be a need for anymore bottom six guys.

[esteef 2,679]

Especially after they just dominated tonight. If the bottom six can put up at least one goal a night and be a threat for two a night, there won't be a need for anymore bottom six guys.

Yes, they dominated the Senators. Think about that for a second.

esteef

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Honestly I don't think his pk value is that high on the wings just because we have so many forwards who can do it. Helm, Eaves, Abby, Cleary, Dats, Flip, Zetterberg. And Nystrom plays the pk too.

Not that I think they absolutely should pick up Nystrom, but I think there's validity to having someone who could do a lot of what Miller does but also provides some more toughness "to keep the flies off" as Babcock puts it. I think Miller was a very redundant signing when they locked up Eaves.

Plus when the enforcer debate rears it's ugly head, people opposed to it always ask who is out there that Holland could've signed. This is a good example.

Well said.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Yes, they dominated the Senators. Think about that for a second.

esteef

If Nystrom was playing, we'd have won 5-0.

[Shaman 713]

The irony of your post is that Brunnstrom couldn't crack the Stars or Leafs last year, but somehow Nystrom is terrible for being waived after playing last year in the NHL.

I want Nystrom, or a player like him, but this isn't good timing for the Wings.

The irony is that Brunnstrom is a lot more talented than Nystrom, his problem was his attitude. Attitude can be fixed, roster depth isn't a problem to be fixed. Nystrom's problem is hes a borderline NHL player, and the Wings are an amazingly deep team at forward. There is a reason why he didn't stay on the Flames or the Wild, two teams that have some of the worst forward depth in the league. What I don't think the enforcer slappies understand here is that when injuries come, and they will, plugging Brunnstrom or Mursak into the line up will be a lot better option than plugging in a goon.

Edited October 8, 2011 by Shaman464

[WorkingOvertime 536]

The irony is that Brunnstrom is a lot more talented than Nystrom, his problem was his attitude. Attitude can be fixed, roster depth isn't a problem to be fixed. Nystrom's problem is hes a borderline NHL player, and the Wings are an amazingly deep team at forward. There is a reason why he didn't stay on the Flames or the Wild, two teams that have some of the worst forward depth in the league. What I don't think the enforcer slappies understand here is that when injuries come, and they will, plugging Brunnstrom or Mursak into the line up will be a lot better option than plugging in a goon.

How is that ironic?

For a fourth line spot, Nystrom is valuable. Unfortunately, his salary is too much IMO and the Wings aren't in the position to add another forward. For a player that will likely sit in the press-box ~40+ games a year (as our 14th forward will), I don't mind a player like Nystrom. The timing was bad, but someone like Nystrom is what the Wings need as the 13th/14th forward.

IMO Tatar and Nyquist would be great if/when injuries occur (assuming Mursak is still out).

[Shaman 713]

How is that ironic?

For a fourth line spot, Nystrom is valuable. Unfortunately, his salary is too much IMO and the Wings aren't in the position to add another forward. For a player that will likely sit in the press-box ~40+ games a year (as our 14th forward will), I don't mind a player like Nystrom. The timing was bad, but someone like Nystrom is what the Wings need as the 13th/14th forward.

IMO Tatar and Nyquist would be great if/when injuries occur (assuming Mursak is still out).

Tatar and Nyquist would be great if its an LTIR situation, but what about all those day to day situations? That's the most likely case for Brunnstrom to crack the roster, and would give any fourth liner/depth player ice time they would need to earn a spot. At this point the Wings have a lot of better options in the presser.

PS. I said ironic in an attempt to be sardonic. Sardonic like sarcastic doesn't work well online.

Edited October 8, 2011 by Shaman464