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#141 eva unit zero

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:33 AM

Ugh...he has been given a chance


When? When he scored in the one game he played with Datsyuk/Cleary? Or when he scored 3 points in 4 games with Flip and Franzen?


How about last year when he scored 14 points in 11 games with Datsyuk/Cleary? Or the month before that, played mostly with Flip, when he scored 12 points in 14 games?

That's about the extent of his "chance" at being a top-six forward at any point in his career.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 02:38 PM

babcock shifted the lines again today - http://www.mlive.com...nnstrom_ge.html

Cleary-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen
Hudler-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Emmerton-Brunnstrom
Bertuzzi
Hudler

Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Kindl
Commodore





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#1) I hate, HATE, HATE it when Babcock puts the best player in the league in between two guys that can't do anything with the puck!!! The lines are getting a little closer to what I'd like to see, but that's still a big big issue for me. Simple fix though. Swap Cleary and Filppula. Then you've got two excellent scoring lines...Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom and Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary. I'd love that.

#2) Brunnstrom's really starting to impress me. He doesn't look it, but he's really quite big. Pretty solid defensively. Very smooth with the puck. Hard-working. And improving rapidly. I'd like to see how he fits into to Hudler's current spot on the third line. Brunnstrom-Helm-Abdelkader. Very worth trying.

#3) I loved the Draper-Helm-Eaves line the last couple of years. Great shut-down line. Great energy. Very consistent. Really the back-bone of our squad for brief periods. In Miller-Emmerton-Eaves I think we could put together a very similar grouping.

#4) Bertuzzi - I've explained why I don't think he should be on the team very thoroughly.

#5) Hudler - He's just not getting it. I'm done with him. Super talented. Turns out that IS trumped by being small, slow and lazy. Give Brunnstrom his shot. Then Nyquist.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 08:15 PM

#5) Hudler - He's just not getting it. I'm done with him. Super talented. Turns out that IS trumped by being small, slow and lazy. Give Brunnstrom his shot. Then Nyquist.


Hudler is small. Nobody is disputing that. Hudler isn't a fast skater, but he's not slow; probably average and definitely faster than he used to be. And he's never been lazy. If you think Brunnstrom is a better player than Hudler, you're nuts.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

Hudler is small. Nobody is disputing that. Hudler isn't a fast skater, but he's not slow; probably average and definitely faster than he used to be. And he's never been lazy. If you think Brunnstrom is a better player than Hudler, you're nuts.


1) idk if i'd say brunnstrom is better than hudler, but i would rather see him on that third line with helm and abby. at least for a trial period. i'd make hudler compete with eaves and miller on the fourth line.

2) i do think hudler is lazy.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary

Brunnstrom/Bertuzzi-Helm-Abdelkader

Miller-Emmerton-Eaves/Hudler

...top two lines are set...let bertuzzi battle it out with brunnstrom on the third line...let hudler battle it out with eaves on the fourth line.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:06 PM

Fedorov-Bure-Mogilny
Datsyuk-Ovechkin-S.Kozlov
Malkin-Larionov-Semin
Samsonov-Afinogenov-Burmistrov
-Brylin/Anisimov


Zubov-Fetisov
Gonchar-A.Markov
Konstantinov-D.Markov

Look out. No reason to even play defense with that top line! :yowza:
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:11 PM

Once again Babcock has Pavs stuck with Cleary at practice today. I think this is a BIG MISTAKE by Babs because it provides Pavs with NOTHING to work with. Hudler deserves to be up with Pavs more than Cleary does right now and more importantly Hudler actually has a good ability to shoot the puck. Having Cleary with Pavs is simply a waste of time. Cleary belongs on the 3rd line and 2nd line if injuries occur.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 02:11 AM

Fedorov-Bure-Mogilny
Datsyuk-Ovechkin-S.Kozlov
Malkin-Larionov-Semin
Samsonov-Afinogenov-Burmistrov
-Brylin/Anisimov


Zubov-Fetisov
Gonchar-A.Markov
Konstantinov-D.Markov

Look out. No reason to even play defense with that top line! :yowza:


25-man roster:

Mogilny/Fedorov/Bure

Kharlamov/Larionov/Makarov
S.Kozlov/Datsyuk/Kovalev
Ovechkin/Yashin/Kovalchuk
Samsonov

Zhamnov

Fetisov/Konstantinov

Kasatonov/Zubov
Gonchar/D.Markov
A.Markov

Gusarov

Tretiak
Konovalenko
Khabibulin

Once again Babcock has Pavs stuck with Cleary at practice today. I think this is a BIG MISTAKE by Babs because it provides Pavs with NOTHING to work with. Hudler deserves to be up with Pavs more than Cleary does right now and more importantly Hudler actually has a good ability to shoot the puck. Having Cleary with Pavs is simply a waste of time. Cleary belongs on the 3rd line and 2nd line if injuries occur.


The big issue with having Cleary alongside Dats is Cleary, not Dats. Cleary needs to get going, and it's clear(l)y not working. The combination has been one of the team's best in recent years and Babs obviously is hoping for that chemistry to just kick in, the same way Dats/Z, Dats/Homer, Z/Mule, Flip/Huds, or Flip/Franzen can suddenly kick in. But it's not working. And he's been there all season. It's time to move Cleary not for Dats' sake, but for Cleary's. Move him to a line with Z or even Helm, and get him going there. Get other players on Dats' line who have shown chemistry with him and have had some decent stretches this season (Huds, Flip, Franzen, Homer) and this might all be sorted out. We can't win games by scoring a goal every game and then having a couple of 5-goal outbursts. It doesn't matter if you win twice scoring five goals; two wins in eight games, scoring a total of sixteen goals, is still a lottery team. And this roster should be competing for the conference championship.

Edited by eva unit zero, 16 November 2011 - 01:32 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:25 PM

Okay, I've been absent from this board for far too long, and this thread is right in my wheelhouse, so here is my take on the line combos.....

For me, you have to play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together. I know that they've appeared to struggle when played together so far this year, but the entire team has struggled.
Also, I just hate Cleary playing on the top line. I like the guy, but he just doesn't seem to fit.

So.....here is how I'd line everyone up.

Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Holmstrom (Don't rag on Homer too bad.....he really is most useful fetching pucks and has really seemed, dare I say it, quicker than usual.)
Hudler, Filppula, Franzen (Yeah, I actually like this line.....and I think Hudler really plays well with Flip.)
Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Cleary
Miller, Helm, Eaves (Rotate in Brunnstrom with Miller.)

Lidstrom, White
Stuart, Kronwall
Kindl, Ericsson

Rotate Commodore and Kindl, and I think he'll push Kindl to play at a higher level.

So, that's it for now.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:46 PM

How could anyone want to split up F-Z-F?

And Bertuzzi needs to keep on sitting.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:13 PM

How could anyone want to split up F-Z-F?

And Bertuzzi needs to keep on sitting.


I would split up F-Z-F simply because I think we need to keep Datsyuk & Zetterberg together, and I think the lines round out better overall.
Putting Holmstrom on a grinding line minimizes him badly.
I think Hudler might do better with more minutes, and he's always played well with Filppula. Look at the goal yesterday.
And I actually wish that Bertuzzi were gone, but since he's not, a Cleary-Abby-Bertuzzi combo is a nice third line to play against other 3rd lines.
If Bert were to sit, I'd like to see Brunnstrom take his place on the 3rd line, with Cleary playing the right side.
Also, I love Helm with Eaves and Miller....or Emmerton.....or Mursak.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:11 PM

Assuming Bertuzzi, Lidstrom, and Holmstrom retire, Hudler is let go, and Stuart leaves in search of a job closer to home, how about something like:

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Franzen
Cleary-Filppula-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Glencross
Moen-Mursak-Eaves
Miller

Suter-Kronwall
Gleason-White
Ericsson-O'Brien
Kindl

O'Brien and Kindl can rotate in and out of the lineup. It's probably a little too early to see if Hudler is actually let go. The loyalty factor could be what keeps him here. We get a lot younger, while keeping a lot of veteran championship experience with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 08:20 PM

Assuming Bertuzzi, Lidstrom, and Holmstrom retire, Hudler is let go, and Stuart leaves in search of a job closer to home, how about something like:

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Franzen
Cleary-Filppula-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Glencross
Moen-Mursak-Eaves
Miller

Suter-Kronwall
Gleason-White
Ericsson-O'Brien
Kindl

O'Brien and Kindl can rotate in and out of the lineup. It's probably a little too early to see if Hudler is actually let go. The loyalty factor could be what keeps him here. We get a lot younger, while keeping a lot of veteran championship experience with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.


I like the physicality aspect, but we'd be screwed with that second line. We wouldn't be able to score goals at all.

Hell, our top liners aren't scoring consistently anymore.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 08:30 PM

I like the physicality aspect, but we'd be screwed with that second line. We wouldn't be able to score goals at all.

Hell, our top liners aren't scoring consistently anymore.

No way Holland trades any of them, though. Whether we like it or not, the players in the top 6 aren't going anywhere. The way i see it, we'll be lucky if Hudler is let go. Cleary has looked awful out of place.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:09 PM

Okay, I've been absent from this board for far too long, and this thread is right in my wheelhouse, so here is my take on the line combos.....

For me, you have to play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together. I know that they've appeared to struggle when played together so far this year, but the entire team has struggled.
Also, I just hate Cleary playing on the top line. I like the guy, but he just doesn't seem to fit.

So.....here is how I'd line everyone up.

Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Holmstrom (Don't rag on Homer too bad.....he really is most useful fetching pucks and has really seemed, dare I say it, quicker than usual.)
Hudler, Filppula, Franzen (Yeah, I actually like this line.....and I think Hudler really plays well with Flip.)
Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Cleary
Miller, Helm, Eaves (Rotate in Brunnstrom with Miller.)

Lidstrom, White
Stuart, Kronwall
Kindl, Ericsson

Rotate Commodore and Kindl, and I think he'll push Kindl to play at a higher level.

So, that's it for now.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:51 PM

Datsyuk needs help. If they're not going to call up Nyquist then this is what I'd do:

Hudler - Datsyuk - Eaves
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Cleary - Helm - Abdelkader
Brunnstrom - Miller - Holmstrom

1st line is small, but Eaves brings speed and energy, and Hudler brings some skill. It might not work, but it is worth a shot.

2nd line stays the same.

3rd line is virtually the same, just swapping Cleary and Hudler.

4th line is a mixture of everything, but they won't play much. No Emmerton because he needs a seat, his play tonight was pathetic. Learn how to win a faceoff young man.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:14 AM

Datsyuk needs help.


DESPERATELY. Wayne Gretzky might have gone on a 10 game scoring drought in today's NHL with Cleary and Holmstrom on his wings.

FILPPULA-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen
CLEARY-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Emmerton-Eaves...Bertuzzi, Brunnstrom

Get Datsyuk some help. He's got tremendous chemistry with Filppula. Hudler adaquetly replaces Val on the second line. Cleary goes to the bottom six where he belongs (unless Homer's taking a break).

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:48 PM

Im actually starting to feel bad for Pavel now and Im also starting to think bad things about Babcock...He tries everything to jump start lines trying endless options to the point of head scratching results but wont touch the line of Cleary-Datsyuk-Holmstrom?? Makes no sence at all to me. It also (like Aussie wing stated) makes no sence at all to break up Flip, Z and Mule those guys are money. At this point I think our bottom six will work with any number of combos, and they have proven it. All Babs has to do is remove Cleary (in my mind anyway) and put him down to line three or four.

My though of Cleary (I do love him) ...IMO if Cleary is going to get 20 goals he's getting them from hard work and grinding down his opponents, like the way you play on a line three or four not finishing highlight reel plays on line one with Pasha.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 02:39 PM

Datsyuk needs help. If they're not going to call up Nyquist then this is what I'd do:

Hudler - Datsyuk - Eaves
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Cleary - Helm - Abdelkader
Brunnstrom - Miller - Holmstrom


FILPPULA-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen
CLEARY-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Emmerton-Eaves...Bertuzzi, Brunnstrom


I think Aussie's lines probably work better. Eaves is very similar to Cleary in skill set and playing style, but Eaves has played well this year. Huds/Dats/Eaves could be the new Huds/Dats/Cleary (as I have suggested in the past).


It allows for FZF to stay together, puts Cleary with Helm and Abdelkader on a hard grinding line that should get him going. It's also a situation where he can be a direct swap with Eaves if Cleary suddenly turns it on and/or Eaves looks out of place. Homer, Miller, Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Bert are all left for the fourth line. I'm going to go with Miller/Emmerton/Holmstrom(Bertuzzi) as my line here. Homer's play has definitely tailed off, Emmerton hasn't been as good the past couple games as he was to start the year. Miller knows he was the #14 on the roster coming into the year (including Mursak) and has simply put his game in a different gear. Don't see it lasting, but you have to roll with him in the lineup.


On defense, there's no Ian White and Ericsson once again proved he can't handle the top-pairing duty. We saw Stuart out on the PP against St. Louis, so it's obvious he's the LAST choice for Babcock among potential PP quarterbacks. Brendan Smith would seem the obvious choice to slot right in, and I'm sure he'll get time there, but Kindl getting most of the "Lidstrom-time" and Smith with Ericsson or Stuart on the third pairing makes the most sense.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:17 PM

I think Aussie's lines probably work better. Eaves is very similar to Cleary in skill set and playing style, but Eaves has played well this year. Huds/Dats/Eaves could be the new Huds/Dats/Cleary (as I have suggested in the past).

It allows for FZF to stay together, puts Cleary with Helm and Abdelkader on a hard grinding line that should get him going. It's also a situation where he can be a direct swap with Eaves if Cleary suddenly turns it on and/or Eaves looks out of place. Homer, Miller, Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Bert are all left for the fourth line. I'm going to go with Miller/Emmerton/Holmstrom(Bertuzzi) as my line here. Homer's play has definitely tailed off, Emmerton hasn't been as good the past couple games as he was to start the year. Miller knows he was the #14 on the roster coming into the year (including Mursak) and has simply put his game in a different gear. Don't see it lasting, but you have to roll with him in the lineup.

On defense, there's no Ian White and Ericsson once again proved he can't handle the top-pairing duty. We saw Stuart out on the PP against St. Louis, so it's obvious he's the LAST choice for Babcock among potential PP quarterbacks. Brendan Smith would seem the obvious choice to slot right in, and I'm sure he'll get time there, but Kindl getting most of the "Lidstrom-time" and Smith with Ericsson or Stuart on the third pairing makes the most sense.

I don't think Eaves has shown anything this year to earn top line time even if Homer has "tailed off" a bit in the last couple games. Try him in White's spot on the PP, and in Homer's spot when we want a defensive replacement. Then if he does well you can give him more. He also looks better with Miller and Emmy than Homer, Bert, or Bruno do.

Flip-Pav-Homer(Eaves)
Huds-Hank-Mule
Abby-Helm-Cleary
Miller-Emmy-Eaves

PP1:
Flip-Pav-Homer
Nick-Eaves

PP2:
Mule-Hank-Cleary
Nik-Huds

Or for something outside-the-box we could try Pav or Hank (or both) on the point. Maybe that could somehow spark them and/or our anemic PP.

Eaves-Flip-Homer
Nick-Pav

Huds-Mule-Cleary
Nik-Hank

Doesn't look very good, but it couldn't be worse than what we saw against St.Louis. (Though probably better to just hope Smith can come in and help.)

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 08:14 AM

My though of Cleary (I do love him) ...IMO if Cleary is going to get 20 goals he's getting them from hard work and grinding down his opponents, like the way you play on a line three or four not finishing highlight reel plays on line one with Pasha.




This. Sums up clearys role well.

Edited by lil Wing's fan, 17 November 2011 - 08:17 AM.






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