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#1 UP Wings Fan

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 09:59 PM

Just wondering how everyone is feeling about Ericsson? and whether or not you feel he is earning his new money? I feel he is a detriment while on the ice, way too many mistakes, and hasn't come close to showing that he is worth the 3+ million he is earning!

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:02 PM

Not yet.

Completely flubbed a one timer in a 2-2 game and lead to an offensive scoring chance.

He's gotta be more consistent.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:05 PM

He's improving. Hopefully he will continue to improve.

Edited by Crymson, 15 October 2011 - 10:14 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:10 PM

"Earn" is a funny word. He's playing a game and he makes more money in few months than most people see in their whole lives.

Oh and I think him and Kindl have been good. I usually have my feet on the ground with my expectations. Ericsson seems to have improved. Or maybe he's just his normal self and the long summer of reading Ericsson and Hudler hate just influenced me a bit.

Edited by P. Marlowe, 15 October 2011 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:14 PM

He's improving, but not enough. Not yet.


After 3 years with the Griffins and 3 with the Wings, my thought is that we shouldn't still be talking about him improving! He should be there already! My vote is that we keep Kindl up, send Ericsson down.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:16 PM

My vote is that we keep Kindl up, send Ericsson down.


Vote all you want but that's not the way it works.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:19 PM

Vote all you want but that's not the way it works.

Wow, you're a wise one!

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:20 PM

Wow, you're a wise one!


Yep.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:36 PM

Wow. we made it a whole 4 games before this thread popped up.

So you're asking if he's worth it 4 games into a three year contract?

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 15 October 2011 - 10:37 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:16 PM

Kindl is the one that is anchoring the duo IMO so no... he is not at $3M per year level yet.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:34 PM

I thought Ian White made a lot of mistakes tonight. He's got the same problem Rafalski had when going into the boards with a forward. He doesn't keep his position between forward and net and lets the forward muscle him off the puck. It happened twice tonight and both times the Wild got good scoring chances.

Ericsson was invisible. He shanked a one-timer that was set up perfectly for him, and he missed a few other plays as well. He needs to move around and get involved more. He's too timid out there.



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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:49 PM

Actually I've been pretty impressed with Eriksson so far. He really looks like he's trying to play more punishing in our zone and be a more substantial player, and while I still think he has some stuff he needs to continue to work on, it looks like he's on the right path towards making our investment in him worth it.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:58 PM

i think kindl has looked much better this year and that ericsson has just looked average. while he certainly isn't the worst ever, he is still showing he isn't a 3 mil player. i certainly hope he becomes that as the wings would certainly benefit from his improvement. i just don't think it will realistically happen.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:59 PM

Besides it not really being fair to judge Ericsson after four games, I disagree with the notion that Ericsson has been bad so far. Certainly room for improvement, but how many of us were scared to watch when we saw Ericsson and Kindl together before the first game? That pairing has done quite well so far.

I kind of look at it this way with Ericsson: if I don't notice him during a game, that's usually a positive. If he kills penalties, keeps working in his own zone and doesn't excessively turn the puck over, I am just fine with him as a third pairing d-man.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:57 AM

Besides it not really being fair to judge Ericsson after four games, I disagree with the notion that Ericsson has been bad so far. Certainly room for improvement, but how many of us were scared to watch when we saw Ericsson and Kindl together before the first game? That pairing has done quite well so far.


we have had several years to judge him. and IMO, he has shown nothing in the first 4 games to show he is any different from last year. additionally, IMO kindl has by far been the better player in the pairing and is the reason they haven't looked that bad.

I kind of look at it this way with Ericsson: if I don't notice him during a game, that's usually a positive. If he kills penalties, keeps working in his own zone and doesn't excessively turn the puck over, I am just fine with him as a third pairing d-man.


i don't think his contract allows us to take that opinion anymore. he is the 3rd highest cap hit for dmen and the 6th highest on the entire team. (those numbers drop to 4 and 8 respectively when looking at actual salary) he no longer has the luxury of being the bottom pairing guy that is successful by floating under the radar.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:11 AM

I like to think I'm usually pretty reluctant to criticize "controversial" players after just a few games, but Ericsson is my one exception. Having watched him since he's come up from the GRG, I just haven't seen him improve much, if at all, over the course of his NHL career. And I haven't seen anything in the first four games to suggest I'm going to have any different opinion about him this year.

I see the guy make stupid plays in every game, whether they're minor blips or major screw ups. Maybe he's out of position, maybe he gets caught on a bad pinch, maybe he makes a stupid turnover, or maybe he takes a bad angle toward the boards and as a result misses a chance to play the puck; but it's always something. I don't consider it good if I "don't notice Ericsson," because he's the only player on the roster for whom I haven't thought to myself "wow he made a good play there." Usually the best I can give him is "well, he managed not to screw that one up."

My prayer is that he has a stretch where he somehow "turns it on" and ups his trade value while some other team is hurting on D men. I'd really rather not be stuck with him on the Wings.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:34 AM

we have had several years to judge him. and IMO, he has shown nothing in the first 4 games to show he is any different from last year. additionally, IMO kindl has by far been the better player in the pairing and is the reason they haven't looked that bad.



i don't think his contract allows us to take that opinion anymore. he is the 3rd highest cap hit for dmen and the 6th highest on the entire team. (those numbers drop to 4 and 8 respectively when looking at actual salary) he no longer has the luxury of being the bottom pairing guy that is successful by floating under the radar.


Well said, and goes to my original question. At that salary I expect more, and yes even after 4 games! In those 4 games he has turned the puck over several times/game, whether it be holding the blue line, or a behind the net battle. His decision making is slow and he does not use his size well!
Thanks to all that replied! Hoping Ericsson can step up his play and prove me wrong, but it needs to happen soon!
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:22 AM

Big E's contract is going to cause Holland problems in future negotiations with players like Smith and Kindl. Kindl clearly has more upside than Ericsson, and will demand a higher salary once the time comes. Ericsson just reminds me of Lilja a bit, only less useful. He plays okay most of the time, never really enough to be noticed, and then makes absolutely boneheaded mistakes that hurt the team. But he doesn't block shots like Lilja did. So he's less useful. At this point. I hope he has a great year and proves me wrong, but I'm doubting it'll happen.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:36 AM

I think Big E is playing well, or at least he's exceeding my expectation that's for sure. I feel the team is playing well, yes they are making some mistakes but after only four games in they're still shaking some rust off. Kindl has been great and I believe White is going to kill it in points and have a surreal year for him here. Our D is looking great (and with room for improvment that's a good thing) and in a few more games our forwards lines will be clicking even more so Im pretty stoked about these guys this year!
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:45 AM

I thought Ian White made a lot of mistakes tonight. He's got the same problem Rafalski had when going into the boards with a forward. He doesn't keep his position between forward and net and lets the forward muscle him off the puck. It happened twice tonight and both times the Wild got good scoring chances.

Ericsson was invisible. He shanked a one-timer that was set up perfectly for him, and he missed a few other plays as well. He needs to move around and get involved more. He's too timid out there.

Couldn't disagree more. I thought White had a great game last night.

And Ericsson being invisible most of the time I'm okay with. If he's physical and doesn't make big mistakes, that's great. He shanked the one timer, but he also knocked two guys down at center ice that led to the Datsyuk breakaway and was still more physical around the net than last season. And in general looked poised with the puck. He still needs to be more physical, but he's making progress.

Kronwall and Stuart looked like the shakiest out there last night. Stuart seemed to be flopping all over the place, and Kronwall had a few terrible turnovers, like the backhander up the middle from behind his own net

I thought Kindl had a great game. Not very physical but seemed much more confident with his outlet passes.

Big E's contract is going to cause Holland problems in future negotiations with players like Smith and Kindl. Kindl clearly has more upside than Ericsson, and will demand a higher salary once the time comes. Ericsson just reminds me of Lilja a bit, only less useful. He plays okay most of the time, never really enough to be noticed, and then makes absolutely boneheaded mistakes that hurt the team. But he doesn't block shots like Lilja did. So he's less useful. At this point. I hope he has a great year and proves me wrong, but I'm doubting it'll happen.

I'm not sure it will. I think Ericsson's contract was in big part because of Rafalski's surprise departure. IF Holland gets Commodore and White signed first, I don't think E gets nearly as much. But at the time Holland had major holes in his defense.

Ericsson isn't a better shot blocker, but overall much better at puck movement. I'd say he's not as useful on the PK but overall more useful because of the Wings puck moving defense system.





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