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#221 Cloune

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 06:08 AM

Detroit Red Wings = new Toronto Maple Leafs:( trade Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Cleary

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 07:10 AM

Is Gleason's contract up this summer? He's a local MI kid. Love to have him here. We've got plenty of forwards. If Carolina would like a Jiri sidekick for Tlusty... :thumbup: The only thing is, where would he fit with our defense this year?

I've been on the Gleason bandwagon for years. One of the most underrated defencemen in the NHL. He's an UFA at seasons end. Would LOVE to see him in Detroit.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:38 AM

"They want me to shoot the puck more," Hudler said. "I know I should, but when the play comes I still look behind me or all around to who Iím going to pass to. I donít know what to do."

Leino was asked to play in a way for us that didn't fit his skills set... he was traded and did considerably better when he could play in a way that allowed him to be more comfortable. Reading the above comment from Hudler makes me think that trading Hudler to a team where he'd be able to play his style more in return for a player that would better fit our needs and style maybe be a good option. Hudler is sucking for us, Penner is sucking for LA.... maybe a Hudler for Penner trade might be beneficial for both teams?!

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:48 AM

"They want me to shoot the puck more," Hudler said. "I know I should, but when the play comes I still look behind me or all around to who I'm going to pass to. I don't know what to do."

Leino was asked to play in a way for us that didn't fit his skills set... he was traded and did considerably better when he could play in a way that allowed him to be more comfortable. Reading the above comment from Hudler makes me think that trading Hudler to a team where he'd be able to play his style more in return for a player that would better fit our needs and style maybe be a good option. Hudler is sucking for us, Penner is sucking for LA.... maybe a Hudler for Penner trade might be beneficial for both teams?!


i really like Huds. But seeing as how he had two games this year where he atually shot the puck and was more aggressive and then is kinda reverting to what his issue was last year is getting me a bit concerned and more open to seeing him traded. He, along with Filppula are playmakers. All they ever want to do is pass it off, but it gets frustrating as a fan to see so many of our guys just passing all the time when we need someone who just wants to shoot all of the time, along with Franzen. You make a really good point...maybe Huds and/or Fil need to go. I'm not saying this because of a bad 5 games, but i'd see how things go and if it continues like this i'd expect to see a major trade, if its back and forth (which is probably more likely) alongside with the cap we already have i'd imagine a bigger trade could be quite plausible. But let's not freak guys...Huds has shown he has the offensive ability. So i guess we shall see which Jiri Hudler decides to play.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:57 AM

i really like Huds. But seeing as how he had two games this year where he atually shot the puck and was more aggressive and then is kinda reverting to what his issue was last year is getting me a bit concerned and more open to seeing him traded. He, along with Filppula are playmakers. All they ever want to do is pass it off, but it gets frustrating as a fan to see so many of our guys just passing all the time when we need someone who just wants to shoot all of the time, along with Franzen. You make a really good point...maybe Huds and/or Fil need to go. I'm not saying this because of a bad 5 games, but i'd see how things go and if it continues like this i'd expect to see a major trade, if its back and forth (which is probably more likely) alongside with the cap we already have i'd imagine a bigger trade could be quite plausible. But let's not freak guys...Huds has shown he has the offensive ability. So i guess we shall see which Jiri Hudler decides to play.


I don't like Hudler... Yes, I am still bitter about how he bolted to the KHL then came crying back. But, he can be a good little player and definitely has his skill set. Maybe the teams needs also changed while he was away and a trade would be in both parties best interest. I've been on the fence with Fil and this year is the year I have liked him the most but you are right.. we have way to many pass first players and not enough willing to lean into a hard, meaning full shot on net. I'd be more inclined to see Hudler and maybe Franzen traded. We had Hossa in our grasp and let him slip through.. that still stings to me. Hossa had a bad playoff with us in terms of points but he is a shoot first player that was awesome defensively. he should have been the priority to sign over Franzen imho.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:13 AM

"They want me to shoot the puck more," Hudler said. "I know I should, but when the play comes I still look behind me or all around to who Iím going to pass to. I donít know what to do."

Leino was asked to play in a way for us that didn't fit his skills set... he was traded and did considerably better when he could play in a way that allowed him to be more comfortable. Reading the above comment from Hudler makes me think that trading Hudler to a team where he'd be able to play his style more in return for a player that would better fit our needs and style maybe be a good option. Hudler is sucking for us, Penner is sucking for LA.... maybe a Hudler for Penner trade might be beneficial for both teams?!

That's the really frustrating part with Hudler. Listen to your first sentence there Huds! It's not that complicated. Shoot the friggin puck.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:14 AM

I don't like Hudler... Yes, I am still bitter about how he bolted to the KHL then came crying back. But, he can be a good little player and definitely has his skill set. Maybe the teams needs also changed while he was away and a trade would be in both parties best interest. I've been on the fence with Fil and this year is the year I have liked him the most but you are right.. we have way to many pass first players and not enough willing to lean into a hard, meaning full shot on net. I'd be more inclined to see Hudler and maybe Franzen traded. We had Hossa in our grasp and let him slip through.. that still stings to me. Hossa had a bad playoff with us in terms of points but he is a shoot first player that was awesome defensively. he should have been the priority to sign over Franzen imho.

The Wings went with Franzen + depth vs having Hossa. That extra million that Hossa got wouldn't have allowed the Wings to sign Hudler, who was coming off a career year. We already lost Sammy they didn't want to lose more depth.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:23 AM

The Wings went with Franzen + depth vs having Hossa. That extra million that Hossa got wouldn't have allowed the Wings to sign Hudler, who was coming off a career year. We already lost Sammy they didn't want to lose more depth.


Hoss was already proven and has remained the best out of the 3 players mentioned (Sammy, Hudler and Franzen)... I just don't think you ever let a player of his caliber slip through for a lousy Million. If he was asking for something ridiculous is another story but that was not the case.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:24 AM

The argument I just presented is based on his production, or lack there of. He isn't worth $3 million dollars a year. Like I said, anyone would match his numbers with the same amount of ice time on this team. He isn't a top-6 forward in this league and shouldn't be paid like one. Yeah he does have injury problems, and you're only naming one injury on a long list of ailments. There are countless others that you are not naming. Basically using a straw man fallacy to prove your point that you're right. Would you like to wager that he scores 30+ goals like a top-6 forward should this year? I have paypal and I don't mind a bet.

There were exactly 29 30+ goalscorers last year and Dan Cleary scored 26 goals in 68 games. He was also 35th in the league when it came to goals scored per game as he did that at a .38 rate.

29 30+ goal scorers is just about one per team. There just aren't that many of them around. Personally, I like having Zetterbger, Datsyuk, and Franzen that all have the ability to score 30+ when healthy and a guy like Cleary that can give you 20+ to supplement them.

If you think a top-6 forward has to score 30+ you're just flat out wrong. On top of that, Cleary is a guy who is used both in the top-6 and as a checker on the 3rd line. He is not a mainstay in the top-6. He's about as versatile player as there is in today's NHL.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:42 PM

http://prohockeytalk...eculation-list/

Get one of these guys. Preferably Bourque.

Bourque is a natural goal scorer first and foremost, hes 6'2 215 lbs and plays fairly physical and still under 30

His cap hit isnt that bad at all at 3 million a year.

Yeah Filppulas been playing well, but hes a passer and Detroit doesnt need that. Bourque can also PK a bit as well, he seems like he would be a perfect fit honestly. And we all know Sutter is an idiot so a deal could most likely be struck.

Filppula would probably almost be enough to get him.

Or maybe something like Hudler + Tatar?

Just to add.

Does anyone else think its fishy that Nyquist was sent down, with noone recalled and no real chance to prove what he can do?

If I had to guess I would say something fishy is going on and some other kind of move is in the works

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:00 PM

I like Bourque's game and think he could do really well here playing with a centre who set him up. I'm not crazy about the term as the Wings have plenty of players on longer term deals. But that being said the Wings still have plenty of cap space for the off-season and Bourque's contract wouldn't hidner their ability to make roster moves. Also, if you can get a guy who almost scores 30 for $3.33M/yr then I'd say you should inquire
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:06 PM

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/18/dreger-rene-bourque-and-tuomo-ruutu-top-early-trade-speculation-list/

Get one of these guys. Preferably Bourque.

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Or maybe something like Hudler + Tatar?

Just to add.

Does anyone else think its fishy that Nyquist was sent down, with noone recalled and no real chance to prove what he can do?

If I had to guess I would say something fishy is going on and some other kind of move is in the works


I highly doubt our management has balls to do a trade. Any trade.
Sweet. This dude was brought here for one reason, to punch people in the head - every other thing that he can do, other Wings can do better. I like that we have a head-puncher. The league has other, better head-punchers, but this one is ours. Better than nothing. Good work, Kenny!

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:08 PM

Does anyone else think its fishy that Nyquist was sent down, with noone recalled and no real chance to prove what he can do?

If I had to guess I would say something fishy is going on and some other kind of move is in the works

I heard that Babs is going to recall him later "when we're playing better" or however it was that he worded that. I read that as we're playing like crap and having a kid around doesn't help and Babs didn't want him to get started in his career on a bad note.

But that's just my guess.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:09 PM

How about this trade...

TO DET: Tuomo Ruutu

To CAR: Jiri Hudler, 3rd round pick in 2012


Hudler and a pick might not be enough, but it's rumored Carolina is shopping Ruutu. Both players in the deal are unrestricted at season's end.

I see this as kind of a Williams/Calder type trade. Both players are sort of struggling this year. But in Ruutu we get a much more gritty, physical type of player, who can hopefully regain his scoring touch with a change of scenario in Detroit. Carolina would be hoping for the same thing with Hudler.

Thoughts?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:09 PM

I admit it's a bit of a weird situation... having no cap issues and carrying one less roster player. Could just be that they want Brunnstrom to get some quality ice time in GR and play, and that Babs really doesn't want Nyquist up unless the team's doing well.

Then again, it doesn't make sense to call a guy up to inject scoring into the line-up, then send him right back down without giving him a real chance. Maybe it was a last resort before pulling the trigger on a deal. Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything transpires.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:19 PM

I admit it's a bit of a weird situation... having no cap issues and carrying one less roster player. Could just be that they want Brunnstrom to get some quality ice time in GR and play, and that Babs really doesn't want Nyquist up unless the team's doing well.

Then again, it doesn't make sense to call a guy up to inject scoring into the line-up, then send him right back down without giving him a real chance. Maybe it was a last resort before pulling the trigger on a deal. Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything transpires.

THat's possible. Or by calling up him up gives him a look which never hurts but also gives other teams the impression that's why you demoted Brunnstrom in the first place so if Holland is having (or going to have) talks with another team about a deal he doesnt look as desperate. It saves a bit of face while giving the kid a game (which they want to do anyways).
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:34 PM

I like Bourque's game and think he could do really well here playing with a centre who set him up. I'm not crazy about the term as the Wings have plenty of players on longer term deals. But that being said the Wings still have plenty of cap space for the off-season and Bourque's contract wouldn't hidner their ability to make roster moves. Also, if you can get a guy who almost scores 30 for $3.33M/yr then I'd say you should inquire

The term could also help get him cheaper, the thing about him is hes an actual goal scorer. Franzen is a goal scorer as well but other than that the wings have no guys to pull the trigger.

3 million a year isnt too bad at all, for a guy who hasnt played at all with a real centerman and is scoring 30 goals a season.

Stick him with Datsyuk and watch the goals pile up


I heard that Babs is going to recall him later "when we're playing better" or however it was that he worded that. I read that as we're playing like crap and having a kid around doesn't help and Babs didn't want him to get started in his career on a bad note.

But that's just my guess.

This is also possible but I still am leaning more towards some kind of deal for a scorer is in the works.

They probaly dont want to take a rookie and put so much pressure on him too score in the top 6 on what should be a contending team, if they werent looking to make a deal you would tihnk they wuold give him one more game against a team that isnt that great in calgary to see what he can do.

Also of note, there were Calgary scouts at the wings game last night. Yeah theyre playing soon so that probably has a lot to do with it but still there could be some substance

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:39 PM

Why would Emmerton be next, and who's replacing him? Why not Miller or Eaves? Eaves has sat in the press box for four games, Miller for two, and Emmerton for two. Emmerton is four years younger than the others, and all of them are capable PKers. Emmerton is the only center of the three.

The Red Wings have plenty of players that can play center. I think Eaves has more value than Emmerton, Eaves is proven. But Miller would be the more logical choice to let go. I'm not sure if anyone would be needed to waived but Tatar would be the next to come up. He should have been called up before Nyquist. I wish I knew why they are waiting so long to call Tatar up.



Couldn't. It's "I couldn't care less" because "I could care less" means that you do care. Which is the complete opposite of what you are saying. Proper spelling and grammar are our friends. You should become acquainted with them if you desire to be taken seriously.

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Trade for Doan and Parise? And what are we giving up, Hudler/Kindl/1st to New Jersey and to Phoenix at the same time?

I've actually started thinking more on the lines of Rick Nash but I doubt if Columbus would ever trade within the division, or the Red Wings for that matter. Seeing as Doan and Parise are going to be UFAs I think they can be had for a cheaper price than what it would normally be. Since New Jersey has made it clear they are moving on with Kovy and not Parise I'm thinking you aren't going to have to give up as much as you think because the Devils would be happy with something for Parise. Now that something is still going to be quite a bit because he's a borderline franchise player but I think you'd be surprised. I like Franzen + Tatar for Parise. I'm not entirely sure what Phoenix needs so I can't comment on who I'd send over there. I imagine it wouldn't have to be a lot for an aging 35 year old who's body isn't going to hold up for too many more seasons the way he plays.

I like the Sergei Samsonov idea. I've liked the idea of Sergei Samsonov for years. But Ken Holland doesn't. Sergei Samsonov contacted the Wings about trying out, and the Wings said no thanks.

I don't see why they wouldn't but I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks. Guy looks like he is in great shape though. When I asked him if any teams contacted him he kind of smirked when I said I don't know why nobody would. It was pretty funny, kind of like he knows he can still play in the NHL and be effective. But as I said, I know he's far removed from his 70 point self, and I wouldn't expect that at all, but I still think he can offer some upside to the Wings in terms of scoring. I see him as a smaller, quicker Danny Cleary.

No matter how the Red Wings do it, they need something fresh. Something different. Anything. Whether that's internal through call-ups or through a trade, so be it. Two games has turned to five and it's going to turn into ten.


Ya dig, Inglewood Jack?

Why are you sticking up for that moron to begin with? Guy has his head so far up his own ass. Last I knew he lived in San Francisco, which is very fitting, for many reasons.


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:49 PM

We have one of the most capable rosters in the whole league that can deliver in each and every game and all we get is clear lack of effort. I'm getting tired of all these after game quotes "We though we were prepared", "We just got beat, 7-1, so to start like that tonight, to me, is lack of preparation," "It was a disappointing effort. The coaching staff didn't do a good enough job; the players didn't do a good enough job."

We've heard such things so many times during the last two/three years. Where are the consequences? I think the real reason is that everyone on the roster feel too safe. They known that no matter how bad they play they'll never be traded. Starting from 4th line plug Miller to "superstar" Zetterberg. When intensity of the game is rather low we often win on a pure skill, when it gets higher like in the last two games we simply give up. To me this is pure lack of effort. If Bertuzzi or Zetterberg don't like to compete in games like this scratch them and call up Nyquist or Tatar.

PS For those saying that it is only two games (there are always a plenty of such guys) I recommend to watch some other teams. No team in this league gives up games so easily.





12 pages and plenty of trade ideas, 5 game skid, looks more like a Detroit Yacht Club than an NHL hockey club, not sure why this OP still has a neg 21(?). In the first ten minutes of the 2-1 OTL to Minni they showed how dominant they can be when they want to be.

Is it time yet to get someone in here who is hungry and will go all out and score some goals?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:00 PM

Detroit Red Wings = new Toronto Maple Leafs:( trade Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Cleary

The difference is the Wings don't actually go after pretty much any trade/FA bait imaginable, unlike the Leafs.

And dallas27, I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but if you are (probably should use names instead of this girly passive aggressive method as I tend to skip over your posts due to them being full of pointless fluff), I find it pretty hilarious how easily you get mad over pixel debates. Lay off the huffing OxiClean there, Billy Mays, and maybe you'll find yourself throwing less pixel temper tantrums.

Edited by Shoreline, 02 November 2011 - 03:02 PM.






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