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#261 Konnan511

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:08 AM

This isn't NHL 12. i am all for trading for a decent forward, but some of these trade ideas are downright terrible. Franzen for Parise AND a 1st+ more? Lol really? It cost an arm and a leg to get mediocre players last season, it's going to cost a lot more than that to get someone substantial.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:26 AM

IMO Franzen is the only player that would yield a good-enough return. Franzen for Parise and a first or second would be good. I love Mule, but I'm worried about his contract length. Maybe throw one of Eaves, Emmerton, etc in for Clarkson as well.

IMO no trade is needed, but if a trade is made I'd like it to be a big move.


Soooo in your NHL 12 world

Franzen = Parise and a 1st or 2nd?

And or

Franzen + Eaves/ Emmerton = Parise, Clarkson and a 1st...

Go punch that into NHL and I bet your PS3 even laughs at you. I'm sorry to come off like a Dick but being frustrated about all of this bad hockey I have been watching Plus the idea of us landing Parise or Nash for the guys we all want to get rid off isn't going to happen (sorry in picking on you, your not the only one)

In real life Franzen, Filppula and a pick/ prospect wouldn't land Parise or Nash then are bonafide stars in this league. Franzen is looking like a flash in the pan (currently), Filppula a career underachiever and a 24-30th overal pick...?

To get an elite player you have to deal good prospects and a meangiful player to a team not trying to win. A team with a win now mentality has to overpay in prospects to the win later/rebuilding team. That is usually how it works. The problem with that, teams don't know where they will be for another 20 or so games... Iginla is probably one of the few guys I would even consider for a possibility with Calgary getting worse and that would cost us Filppula/ Franzen plus picks and prospects and I'm talking a jarnkrok, Jurco, pulkkinen type not Johan Ryno...

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:25 AM

In January we had better see:

Filppula - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen
Hudler - Helm - Mursak
Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:46 AM

Soooo in your NHL 12 world

Franzen = Parise and a 1st or 2nd?

And or

Franzen + Eaves/ Emmerton = Parise, Clarkson and a 1st...

Go punch that into NHL and I bet your PS3 even laughs at you. I'm sorry to come off like a Dick but being frustrated about all of this bad hockey I have been watching Plus the idea of us landing Parise or Nash for the guys we all want to get rid off isn't going to happen (sorry in picking on you, your not the only one)

In real life Franzen, Filppula and a pick/ prospect wouldn't land Parise or Nash then are bonafide stars in this league. Franzen is looking like a flash in the pan (currently), Filppula a career underachiever and a 24-30th overal pick...?

To get an elite player you have to deal good prospects and a meangiful player to a team not trying to win. A team with a win now mentality has to overpay in prospects to the win later/rebuilding team. That is usually how it works. The problem with that, teams don't know where they will be for another 20 or so games... Iginla is probably one of the few guys I would even consider for a possibility with Calgary getting worse and that would cost us Filppula/ Franzen plus picks and prospects and I'm talking a jarnkrok, Jurco, pulkkinen type not Johan Ryno...

I meant to post Mule and a first or second for Parise, not what was typed (on my phone). I wasn't aware of my mistake, or its amazing ability to anger others.

I think you are overestimating what it takes to get Parise. He is a UFA after this season (see capgeek). Therefore, NJ receives nothing for him unless he is traded before free agency. As a result, the Devils have less bargaining power (if Parise wants to move) than in a typical scenario. I'm not saying Mule+1st is enough, but it's a good starting point. The Wings would probably need to add a decent prospect and/or another pick or two, but I don't think that 'core' for the trade is far off.

Edited by WorkingOvertime, 04 November 2011 - 07:11 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:47 AM

In January we had better see:

Filppula - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen
Hudler - Helm - Mursak
Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves

Youth. Speed. Energy.


Filppula - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen
Hudler - Helm - Mursak
Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:51 AM

if you honestly think Cleary deserves/ or should be a top-6 forward... [facepalm]. Hes scored 1 goal all season woopty freaking do. 3 million a year is a million shy of a top-6 forward salary; I would in a heartbeat get rid of Cleary and Hudler if I could. This team needs an overhaul in the forward department... we have in my eyes 2 top-6 forwards Datsyuk and Franzen. Zetterberg has taken a step back big time if you look at tape from in in the 2008 season, and look at tape from last year's playoffs and this season. His play is night and day. I dont consider Cleary "versatile" he's slow, he finishes checks (good) and scores garbage goals ocassionally. Once again he's not worth his money... if thats versatile then so is 80% of the league. He sucks on the PP and PK and he also cant fight worth s***.

You're just writing ridiculous nonsense. You talked about his goal production and I just showed you how inaccurate you were. My preference on where Cleary should/could play (top 6 or bottom 6) is irrelevant. I personally think he fits best on the 3rd line but the point is you starting crying and having a hissy fit about his apparent 'lack' of goal scoring so I showed you how wrong you were. Even your blinded hatred for how he is playing so far this season is irrelevant. Again, I just noted how wrong you were about his season last year.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:38 AM

I sincerely hope this is unfounded speculation:

http://www.calgaryhe...6212/story.html

I heard that there were scouts out last night; I think something is coming down the pipes.

Edited by NvrFrgtRussian5, 04 November 2011 - 07:40 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:35 AM

I certainly hope there's a trade coming, but that is pretty weak evidence. There are scouts all the time at games and usually it ends up as nothing. And White won't be traded. The article makes it seem like that because it's about him, but I think it was just bad journalism, throwing in the bit about the scouts. Holland doesn't do that, and White has been really good for the team. If we lose White our defense gets worse. The defense is acceptable right now, but it's sort of stretched thin. We can't afford to not have White.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:41 AM

I sincerely hope this is unfounded speculation:

http://www.calgaryhe...6212/story.html

I heard that there were scouts out last night; I think something is coming down the pipes.


That would be terrible on multiple levels. Obviously, on a personal level for White and family - and because I don't consider the Wings a team to do that sort of thing. I've been happy with White overall, though. Through the first 5 games (let's be honest, the last 6 are no measure of this team) - he was exactly what we thought he'd be.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:37 AM

Yeah if he doesn't score the hat trick against us. :P We don't win Thursday night when do you push the panic button? People say like the member Crymson "oh it's only 9-10 games in" OK but there are points at stake, we are 500 hockey team as of now. We should be better than this especially after winnging 5 in a row. Now 5 in a row lost. lol. It's hard to make up points the further the season goes on. Long ways to go yes but I don't see us repeating the 09-10 season and hell that was because of injuries. lol. Not looking good, I'm really up for anything on the trade front.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:39 AM

You know what? I read these forums more than I post anything on here. I see how much pride most of you have in OUR team. Yes, I love the Detroit Red Wings for life, no matter what, where I move, how retarded I get, or how bad they get one day. The problem here is why is everyone hating on peoples opinions? The Red Wings are 5-5-1 right now. The season is still young. Although I do not disagree that some trades have to be made. Some big trades have to be made (yes we do need a f**king sniper) notice when we won the cup in the mid to late 90's we had shanahan even yzerman and in 2002 we had Hull. Yes, 2008, omg everyone is going to bash me there. The team was in its juicy prime (with zetterberg being pretty much our goal scorer) and everyone was playing amazing hockey.

I really hate big time hard core fans saying bad things about the team when they are not a bad team. I also hate when everyone bashes them (fans who think something is wrong with the team) when they say we are not going to win the stanley cup and the team needs a trade. Does this mean I agree with them? Yes, it does. Does it mean I don't think the current team we have CANT win the cup, NO. Does it mean that I think its more unlikely to win the cup with the current team we have, YES.

The team we have is very elite. I agree with all of you fans that something needs to be changed on this team. No reason to think you are all incorrect. I think we need to bring in a player who shoots more than passes. Get rid of hudler, first of all. Keep fil he inst a bad 2 way player. I don't know what to say about cleary because he is on and off and injured a lot, so NO COMMENT. I wouldn't mind trading Franzen if we got a player/sniper just as good as him back. I really do agree with people when they say he plays like he is 5'9. Bertuzzi I wouldn't mind getting traded either if we get some size, youth, and energy back in a weaker top 6 foward. I think our 3rd and 4th lines could use a couple tweaks with trades or different players from the minors brought up. I personally wouldn't mind getting rid of eaves or miller and bringing more physical players that can skate with the puck better.

I will say however, I would not trade zetterberg or dats because they are the core of this team. They are two of the top elite players in the league and they will eventually get going. Maybe they just arent mentally focused yet? So does this mean I am going to get bashed, even though I am a hard core, die hard, loveable fan of the red wings for saying we need trades and our team is more unlikely to win the stanley cup? Or are some of you going to say omg he isnt a red wings fan he is from another teams forum?

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:47 AM

Agreed. The trouble is that this team is much better than it looks. There's just been too little change the past few years, they're probably too comfortable. They're certainly not hungry anymore. This isn't the first time in the last three years this team has suffered in the goal-scoring department, and the top forwards have stayed the same. The team just needs something to give them that extra push to become a championship caliber team. A good sniper is that move. And then maybe a grittier bottom 6er. But the sniper is absolutely essential. And if we can see this, Holland can see this. He will do what he can, but we shouldn't be too hard on him if he can't, he has to play by the other GMs rules.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:01 AM

I sincerely hope this is unfounded speculation:

http://www.calgaryhe...6212/story.html

I heard that there were scouts out last night; I think something is coming down the pipes.



White won't be dealt this quick, not unless it's a deal they can't refuse. Franzen is playing soft, same old stuff. I agree something should be done soon, it seems like there's a lack of urgency like complacency has set in.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:42 AM

if you honestly think Cleary deserves/ or should be a top-6 forward... [facepalm]. Hes scored 1 goal all season woopty freaking do. 3 million a year is a million shy of a top-6 forward salary; I would in a heartbeat get rid of Cleary and Hudler if I could. This team needs an overhaul in the forward department... we have in my eyes 2 top-6 forwards Datsyuk and Franzen. Zetterberg has taken a step back big time if you look at tape from in in the 2008 season, and look at tape from last year's playoffs and this season. His play is night and day. I dont consider Cleary "versatile" he's slow, he finishes checks (good) and scores garbage goals ocassionally. Once again he's not worth his money... if thats versatile then so is 80% of the league. He sucks on the PP and PK and he also cant fight worth s***.


I would get rid of Franzen before Cleary and Hudler.


He has more value in a trade, he's the oldest, he's likely to retire within a few years due to injury, and he's lazy. He could be a traded for mid to late 20s top-six forward to serve as the core of the team going forward along with Flip and Huds, as Dats and Z are clearly aging and we all know they won't keep it up forever while Flip and Huds should be just entering their primes. Having a bunch of solid 18-20 year old prospects who might become top-sixers doesn't do any good for the next five years because it'll be like Flip or Hudler in 2007; maybe you'll get some decent secondary scoring on the PP, but you won't be seeing those guys as core players for years. People think Nyquist is going to step in this year or next and score 70 points; that is not happening.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:09 AM

I would get rid of Franzen before Cleary and Hudler.


People think Nyquist is going to step in this year or next and score 70 points; that is not happening.[/font]


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:25 AM

Cleary on the lack of offense: "We're trying to figure it out. Things aren't going our way right now, but the worst thing we can do is get frustrated. We've got to stick together. It's tough. We're all searching for ways to make this team better and win."



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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:33 AM

I would get rid of Franzen before Cleary and Hudler.


He has more value in a trade, he's the oldest, he's likely to retire within a few years due to injury, and he's lazy. He could be a traded for mid to late 20s top-six forward to serve as the core of the team going forward along with Flip and Huds, as Dats and Z are clearly aging and we all know they won't keep it up forever while Flip and Huds should be just entering their primes. Having a bunch of solid 18-20 year old prospects who might become top-sixers doesn't do any good for the next five years because it'll be like Flip or Hudler in 2007; maybe you'll get some decent secondary scoring on the PP, but you won't be seeing those guys as core players for years. People think Nyquist is going to step in this year or next and score 70 points; that is not happening.

Eva… Hudler is not a part of this team's core. He's gone either during this season or after this season. He's never going to score 80 points, either -- regardless of how many 10 game segments of his career you prorate.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:49 AM

Franzen or Hossa? <_<

Eva… Hudler is not a part of this team's core. He's gone either during this season or after this season. He's never going to score 80 points, either -- regardless of how many 10 game segments of his career you prorate.



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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:15 PM

Hudler's mother doesn't love him as much as eva does. I'm all for defending one's favorite players, and standing up for them when they're getting s*** on, but there comes a point when you yourself have to realize that you sound more like a stalker crafting a love letter than an actual fan.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:38 PM

Hudler's mother doesn't love him as much as eva does. I'm all for defending one's favorite players, and standing up for them when they're getting s*** on, but there comes a point when you yourself have to realize that you sound more like a stalker crafting a love letter than an actual fan.

As much as that is true in certain instances, to be completely fair there are posters who go as far off the deep end in the opposite direction with the blind hatred for Hudler.

It's kind of like there are two types of stalkers. Eve is the love stricken stalker and the blind hateful ones are the types of stalkers that are obsessed with anger over their subject.
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