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#21 PrairieDawg

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 11:35 AM

I've loved White's play, hes one of the few that actually pinch in and rotate the offense. He plays an offensive defenseman well. He may have pinched a couple times and let his man get past him, but he has Lidstrom with him to pick them up. He fits perfectly with Lidstrom.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:22 AM

I've loved White's play, hes one of the few that actually pinch in and rotate the offense. He plays an offensive defenseman well. He may have pinched a couple times and let his man get past him, but he has Lidstrom with him to pick them up. He fits perfectly with Lidstrom.

Agreed.

To think our woes are to be blamed upon the recently signed #4 Dman on this team is pretty silly.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:08 PM

Agreed.

To think our woes are to be blamed upon the recently signed #4 Dman on this team is pretty silly.

White is absolutely not to blame for us playing like crap the last for games, nor is he the reason we won the first five. He is just one piece of the puzzle, and a piece that so far has not fit.

I hope he just has to get comfortable, but we'll see.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 01:25 PM

The only 'remorse' that I would have for a guy that I didn't want them to sign in the first place is that he was supposed to provide a physical presence, and he hasn't done so at all. He has five hits in nine games - fewest on the D and one fewer than Lidstrom.

He's an adequate #4-5-6 defenceman, but we needed something better than that to replace Rafalski.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:52 PM

The only 'remorse' that I would have for a guy that I didn't want them to sign in the first place is that he was supposed to provide a physical presence, and he hasn't done so at all. He has five hits in nine games - fewest on the D and one fewer than Lidstrom.

He's an adequate #4-5-6 defenceman, but we needed something better than that to replace Rafalski.



I'll take White at his salary vs Raffi at his, Ian's pretty darn good with what he brings to the table. He moves the puck well, handles the puck well, loves to shoot, feeds nice passes and plays with passion. Not to mention consistency is his forte, Babs mentioned it last game when saying "he brings it every night". Ian White is playing like a #3-4 right now a #5-6, and I watched White play for years and never saw too much physical presence from the guy but he's certainly not affraid to go head first (pun intended) into the dirty places thats for sure. The physical presence on our D core would be Kronner, Big E, Commy and Stuart imo but White certainly could end up being our D's unsung hero by the end of this year
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:56 PM

White is doing great. He's producing, he's gritty, and his diving face-block to save a goal will go down as one of the team's best plays this season.

The only 'remorse' that I would have for a guy that I didn't want them to sign in the first place is that he was supposed to provide a physical presence, and he hasn't done so at all. He has five hits in nine games - fewest on the D and one fewer than Lidstrom.

He's an adequate #4-5-6 defenceman, but we needed something better than that to replace Rafalski.


Yeah, because he's replacing Mr. "Hitting Machine" Brian Rafalski. Also, do feel free to rag on Holland for not finding an imaginary Rafalski replacement in last offseason's VERY DEEP free-agent pool.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:36 PM

In all honesty, I love the way White is playing. He's replacing an offensive-minded defensman in Rafalski. He wasn't brought here to make big hits or bring a physical presence. I think I lot of people forget how bad Rafalski really was on the defensive end of the ice sometimes. White is doing exactly what he was told to do when he came here, at an unbelievably good price. He's scoring and setting up plays every night. He's a big part of why we have one of the best offensive defenses in the league.

Look at our D this year. It hasn't lost us nearly the amount of games that it did last year. If anything, during our 5 game losing streak, it was our offense that couldn't produce. With respect to Brad Mcrimmon, we're looking a lot better defensively, and that's where it'll all pay off during the playoffs.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 08:58 AM

In all honesty, I love the way White is playing. He's replacing an offensive-minded defensman in Rafalski. He wasn't brought here to make big hits or bring a physical presence. I think I lot of people forget how bad Rafalski really was on the defensive end of the ice sometimes. White is doing exactly what he was told to do when he came here, at an unbelievably good price. He's scoring and setting up plays every night. He's a big part of why we have one of the best offensive defenses in the league.

Look at our D this year. It hasn't lost us nearly the amount of games that it did last year. If anything, during our 5 game losing streak, it was our offense that couldn't produce. With respect to Brad Mcrimmon, we're looking a lot better defensively, and that's where it'll all pay off during the playoffs.

I love the way White is playing as well. I think everyone knew that we needed help defensively. When you change from a offensive team to a defensive one, there are sacrifices that need to be made. White has been key in this turnaround for the Wings. He leads by example, and I love his physical style of D. In fact, he was a bargain pickup for the Wings. A lot better bargain than a few other defenseman that were signed in the off season for $5-$7 million per season.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:03 AM

Maybe I chose to ignore this thread earlier when it was started, but I didnt see it until now.

I will be the first to say that I have a man-crush on Ian White. I really liked watching him on the Loafs, and when he was on the Sharks it really burned me. His defensive play is excellent so far - and yes even during the bad streak. Positionally he is on top of his game. Obviously he is a smaller man so he has a bit of struggle with the bigger grinders. When you really break down some of his passing gaffs in our own zone it has more to do with him still fitting in and learning the defensive system here than "Lilja-esque" boneheaded plays.

Has anyone noticed how fast he can skate? There have been 2 occasions that I recall already where there was a break away and he came from behind the player to break up the play. He's not Helm, but he has under-rated speed.

Bottom line - Solid speed, excellent positional play, puck possession style, Schneider-like slapper. At a discount compared to other D-men available. I always thought that J-Wiz and Ian White were clones in this league - but obviously price separates the two, and we made out like gangbusters so far.

The only thing that I dont about Ian at this point is the fact that he took Maltby's number - too early in my opinion.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:20 PM

The only thing that I dont about Ian at this point is the fact that he took Maltby's number - too early in my opinion.


I don't doubt that Maltby was consulted first.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 07:24 PM

Is this thread for real? LOL! :D

This must be a LGWs troll thread...

OP looks pretty stupid now. Congrats :siren:

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 07:56 PM

Is this thread for real? LOL! :D

This must be a LGWs troll thread...

OP looks pretty stupid now. Congrats :siren:

Just because you don't agree with the thread doesn't make it a troll thread. And furthermore if you don't have anything constructive to say to add to the discussion, why even post.

Is this thread for real? LOL! :D

This must be a LGWs troll thread...

OP looks pretty stupid now. Congrats :siren:

And just because White sacrificed his body on a hell of a play that saved a goal. Does not make him the find of the century. He definately has been playing better since this thread was started, which is what I wrote I was hoping for earlier in the post.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 07:58 PM

And furthermore if you don't have anything constructive to say to add to the discussion, why even post.


To throw Ian Hwite's productive effectiveness in your face for a temporary boost of self-esteem and feeling of superiority. Duh...

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 08:15 PM

Just because you don't agree with the thread doesn't make it a troll thread. And furthermore if you don't have anything constructive to say to add to the discussion, why even post.


And just because White sacrificed his body on a hell of a play that saved a goal. Does not make him the find of the century. He definately has been playing better since this thread was started, which is what I wrote I was hoping for earlier in the post.


Who is a find of the century? I'd love to know...

White has been nothing but superb since joining the DRWs. He's fit in perfectly and has filled Rafalski's role very nicely. Best of all, his cap hit is very, very reasonable.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 09:19 AM

Who is a find of the century? I'd love to know...

White has been nothing but superb since joining the DRWs. He's fit in perfectly and has filled Rafalski's role very nicely. Best of all, his cap hit is very, very reasonable.


Lidstrom.

And in regards to your second sentence I thought I was the only one that felt that way. Glad to see White get some respect. Also, after thinking about it you are probably right about consulting Malts. If that's how it went down I am totally comfortable with it.
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:44 PM

Lidstrom.


Yeah, because he was definitely able to make, say, Lilja great.

White has his own strengths.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:42 PM

Has anyone noticed how fast he can skate? There have been 2 occasions that I recall already where there was a break away and he came from behind the player to break up the play. He's not Helm, but he has under-rated speed.


I was saying this before he was signed; he's like Derek Meech, ramped up a couple notches. Same game, but plays it much better.

Bottom line - Solid speed, excellent positional play, puck possession style, Schneider-like slapper. At a discount compared to other D-men available. I always thought that J-Wiz and Ian White were clones in this league - but obviously price separates the two, and we made out like gangbusters so far.

The only thing that I dont about Ian at this point is the fact that he took Maltby's number - too early in my opinion.


J-(W)izz is closer to Mike Green than Ian White in playing style.

Lidstrom.


Didn't help White score 13 goals and 38 points over 83 games averaging nearly identical ice time as this season. His scoring has increased by a tiny bit; he would finish with 17 goals and 39 points if he played 83 games at his current rate. The big difference is his plus-minus. I have said for years that White might be the most underrated defenseman in the NHL. People suggest that the Phaneuf deal was a complete steal for Toronto, even though White outperformed Phaneuf the last two seasons. Phaneuf is having an improved season offensively but is still showing his same defensive issues.Toronto obtained prospect Keith Aulie in the deal, while two of the three forwards going to Calgary (Matt Stajan and Niklas Hagman) were Toronto's leading scorers. Fredrik Sjostrom and Jamal Mayers were in there also, but they were so ineffective on both sides that they don't really count. Neither is in the league anymore.

The big "steal" is the fact that none of the players involved are Flames anymore except for Stajan, who went from being a defensively responsible 50-point center in Toronto to Calgary's fourth line center. Hagman was waived and nobody wanted him. Mayers retired. White was traded for Anton Babchuk and Tom Kotsopolous, and then regifted by Carolina 39 games later for a second rounder.

So that's why it's a steal; because the West is harder to score in, and Sutter traded a skilled all-around defenseman for a big defensive defenseman and a fourth-liner.

Dion Phaneuf and Keith Aulie for Anton Babchuk and Matt Stajan? Hopefully for the Flames, Babchuk works out. It's still not a steal, even if Sutter is making bad deals and players are not working out.

And in regards to your second sentence I thought I was the only one that felt that way. Glad to see White get some respect. Also, after thinking about it you are probably right about consulting Malts. If that's how it went down I am totally comfortable with it.


Why does Maltby matter? Should they have consulted Larionov before Abs got #8? Or Sheppard before Hudler wore #26? Maybe Mark Howe before Kindl wore #4?
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 09:38 AM

Just had to do this....

3 points last night for White! :thumbup:
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:12 AM

Yeah, when a guy has a three point night, I think to myself, "Aww man, why the hell is the team paying him 2.875 instead of that 5.5 for Wisniewski... oh wait."

They were talking about Sid's return, they should have been talkin' about the White Knight. With that full armor of his, he can block even more pucks with his face.

Edited by Jesusberg, 24 November 2011 - 11:13 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:44 AM

Yeah, when a guy has a three point night, I think to myself, "Aww man, why the hell is the team paying him 2.875 instead of that 5.5 for Wisniewski... oh wait."

They were talking about Sid's return, they should have been talkin' about the White Knight. With that full armor of his, he can block even more pucks with his face.


So you think Wiz is kicking himself now? He's on a team that is out of the playoffs and still has to play 60 more meaningless games in front of half empty arenas. Good job Wiz, you got your payday, now you have to live with your decision.
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