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#21 under_par_00

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:21 PM

Kronner's OK guys!!


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:50 PM

I see no problem whatsoever with what Koivu did. In response to your problems:

1. Contact wasn't early, in fact, Kronwall got a light tap on Koivu with his stick (too light to call it a slash)
2. I'm not sure how you can use the principle point of contact argument here when he wasn't even looking in that direction
3. Maybe you right here, the ref was definately preoccupied with what was going on in front of the net, but even if he was following the puck, I think it would be highly unlikely that he would have called a penalty. The back ref probably saw it and didn't have a problem with it. Not sure who is responsible for what, I don't ref, but I would have though that the back ref would follow the puck and the ref down low would focus on the net area.


1. Personally, relative to interference penalties of this nature we've seen in the past, I thought it was early. You may disagree and that's cool but as I noted i nmy first post I thought it was early.

2. I'm not saying it was supension worthy just because the principle point of contact was the head but as we have seen throughout this year that the player making the hit is responsible for the contact. Also, Koivu initiated the contact fully knowing Kronwall was behind him. Koivu knew where Kronwall was and made the hit accordingly. We've seen hit to the head minor penalties handed out this year and to me, that was one as well.

3. The ref down low is supposed to follow the puck so that he can track it as it comes towards the net. The second referee was initially instituted (at least in part) because penalties were being missed in front of the net while refs were tracking the puck. It is the job of the down low ref to track the puck and the neutral zone ref to watch other infractions (mainly in front of the net).
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:04 PM

While I don't think the hit to the head is suspendable and shouldn't be, the rules don't specifically say the player has to be looking at their target or have any intent to make contact with the head at all. To be suspension worthy, it simply has to be a reckless play where the principal point of contact is the head. The onus is on the hitter, looking or not. Which in that case, could be considered more reckless since Koivu has no idea where the point of contact is going to be. Not to mention he went high on the hit by leaving his feet. He knew that much, that's for sure.

You do have a point from a literal sense of the rule, but I have a hard time thinking they would ever have a problem with a hit like that.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:09 PM

You do have a point from a literal sense of the rule, but I have a hard time thinking they would ever have a problem with a hit like that.


Agreed. However, if the rule can't be interpreted literally, how can it be interpreted at all?

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#25 toby91_ca

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:33 PM

Agreed. However, if the rule can't be interpreted literally, how can it be interpreted at all?

Well, I'm sure if I looked at the actual written rules, I could argue why the contact is a non-issue, I just haven't taken the time to do that.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:24 PM

Okay so technically it was the elbow pad. Otherwise I am not sure what you were watching. You dont fall over and need help up after a chest to back hit.

That dazed look in his eye wasnt from his hurt pride. It was from the knock he took on the chin.

It wasn't an elbow, you do not know human anatomy
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:32 PM

I see no problem whatsoever with what Koivu did.

I too have no problem with the Koivu hit. It's at the border line, but on its legal side.

But how is it NOT an interference?!

That motherf***er Dave Jackson was yelling at Howard, instead of following the puck and, as a result, he totally missed an interference on Kronwall. At the same time, how on earth he could miss interference by Setoguchi? Especially, given all these calls he made on Homer in the same game!!

A bunch of so-called 'NHL Officials' are utterly incompetent individuals who should not be around NHL. In fact, they are incompetent even to collect unemployment benefits. But instead they regularly collect pretty fatty paychecks from NHL. And we are the ones who indirectly pay them...

These so-called 'NHL Officials' have undeniably influenced the outcome of last night game.
The worse of it, we will never see any disciplinary actions on Jackson and his colleagues.

Edited by ami, 02 November 2011 - 03:33 PM.


#28 F.Michael

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 03:55 PM

To me it looked like Kronner finally realised what it's like being on the receiving end.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 05:09 PM

Hope Koivu gets KRONWALLED next time they play.





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