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#61 LeftWinger

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:59 PM

What's funny is, all the guys we are talking about Detroit acquiring, Holland will get someone that nobody expected and they will be the one to put us over the top! I question Holland a lot, but I guess if I didn't, I would just be another Sport's Sheeple.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:03 PM

Ugh, it's been confirmed on Twitter (IIRC, it was by Darren Dreger) that Detroit is NOT in the running for Turris. So let's stop this nonsense, because it doesn't sound like he's worth the trouble anyway.

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It wasnt Dreger. Dreger reported a few teams that he thought had interest and said Calgary is out of the running but I didnt see anything about Detroit being out of it.

He also reported that talks are heating up thanks to twitter which has me thinking there are quite a few teams inquiring about him

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:19 PM

I agree with some people about him taking Hudler's spot. No offense. Just not a big Hudler fan. Trying him out for a few couldn't hurt.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:52 PM

I agree with some people about him taking Hudler's spot. No offense. Just not a big Hudler fan. Trying him out for a few couldn't hurt.


Trading Hudler for Turris is not "trying him out for a few." It's receiving Turris's contract and losing Hudler. And it's not going to happen, because the league won't allow the Coyotes to accept any additional cap hit.

And your post is an amazingly pristine example of grass-is-greener syndrome.

0 points in 6 games when he had no training camp or anything and is playing fourth line minutes for a coach that obviously doesnt like him and a team he doesnt want to be on. You guys are really picking a fair time to judge him.


And you're finding every reason to give a free pass to someone who has absolutely no history of success in the NHL---and who has a terrible, terrible attitude.

Those seem like fair value for what his value has been put as. I think playing sheltered minutes with the wings and maybe getting a bit of PP time would see him develop properly and at the least he becomes a solid 50 point 2 way center.


This is a giant assumption with no actual basis in fact. Being selected very high in the draft does NOT, in any way, guarantee one success in the NHL. Many high draft picks have gone on to be mediocre players or have failed to make it in the NHL.

Anyway, Turris's potential to be a locker-room cancer and a problem for the organization almost certainly disqualifies him in Holland's mind.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:01 PM

And you're finding every reason to give a free pass to someone who has absolutely no history of success in the NHL---and who has a terrible, terrible attitude.

This is a giant assumption with no actual basis in fact. Being selected very high in the draft does NOT, in any way, guarantee one success in the NHL. Many high draft picks have gone on to be mediocre players or have failed to make it in the NHL.

Anyway, Turris's potential to be a locker-room cancer and a problem for the organization almost certainly disqualifies him in Holland's mind.

No history of success in the NHL isnt saying much when the kid was playing at an age where most wings prospects are just starting the AHL.

And theres no basis in fact for anything when predicting the future but from watching him play, hes a speedy center with solid hands and a solid shot. Playing in a system like Detriots with better players I think he could be a 50 point guy.

You saying he is a bust also has no basis in fact

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:05 PM

Whatever you say dude. You can say whatever you want. Grass is greener and whatever. But even you know Hudler is meh. But go ahead.



Trading Hudler for Turris is not "trying him out for a few." It's receiving Turris's contract and losing Hudler. And it's not going to happen, because the league won't allow the Coyotes to accept any additional cap hit.

And your post is an amazingly pristine example of grass-is-greener syndrome.



And you're finding every reason to give a free pass to someone who has absolutely no history of success in the NHL---and who has a terrible, terrible attitude.



This is a giant assumption with no actual basis in fact. Being selected very high in the draft does NOT, in any way, guarantee one success in the NHL. Many high draft picks have gone on to be mediocre players or have failed to make it in the NHL.

Anyway, Turris's potential to be a locker-room cancer and a problem for the organization almost certainly disqualifies him in Holland's mind.



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Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:20 PM

Turris to Ottawa. And that's that.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 02:32 PM

Why did people want him anyways? He's a massive headache.

I can't believe the Sens traded Rundblad AND a 2nd for this guy. The Sens got screwed by themselves on this one.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:00 PM

What's funny is, all the guys we are talking about Detroit acquiring, Holland will get someone that nobody expected and they will be the one to put us over the top! I question Holland a lot, but I guess if I didn't, I would just be another Sport's Sheeple.


Turris isn't the solution to our problems, not by a long shot. Look what he's done (or rather-- hasn't done) since signing his contract in Phoenix. The psychological impact of adding him to a locker-room is probably worse than he can possibly make for up with his lacklustre play.

Why did people want him anyways? He's a massive headache.

I can't believe the Sens traded Rundblad AND a 2nd for this guy. The Sens got screwed by themselves on this one.


Agreed. The Coyotes got themselves a steal of a deal.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:17 PM

Whatever you say dude. You can say whatever you want. Grass is greener and whatever. But even you know Hudler is meh. But go ahead.


Hudler is far from "meh" lately. And I'll take him any day over an unproven youngster who has obvious maturity and attitude issues.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:20 PM

I agree with some people about him taking Hudler's spot. No offense. Just not a big Hudler fan. Trying him out for a few couldn't hurt.


"No offense" is right.

That's why Hudler should be moved.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:29 PM

Turris isn't the solution to our problems, not by a long shot. Look what he's done (or rather-- hasn't done) since signing his contract in Phoenix. The psychological impact of adding him to a locker-room is probably worse than he can possibly make for up with his lacklustre play.


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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:01 PM

I'm not the biggest Hudler fan in the world...but the numbers this year do not lie:

29 games played
6 goals
13 assists
19 points
14:00 average TOI

.......how is this bad, exactly?
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 06:22 PM

In the last two weeks, Ottawa has shipped out an underachieving young player with attitude problems and then traded for another underachieving young player with attitude problems.

Who's running the show over there? Yeesh.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:30 PM

Hudler is on pace to basically be the player we wanted him to be last season. I don't get all the complaining about him. I didn't calculate the math exactly, but isn't he on pace for 55-65ish points?
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:33 PM

Hudler is on pace to basically be the player we wanted him to be last season. I don't get all the complaining about him. I didn't calculate the math exactly, but isn't he on pace for 55-65ish points?


Because he's horribly inconsistent. For every 10 games where he puts up points, he goes 10 more where he isn't even visible on the ice.

He doesn't bring it every night. His inconsistencies have been even more pathetic in the last few playoffs he's played in.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 11:44 PM

Hudler is on pace to basically be the player we wanted him to be last season. I don't get all the complaining about him. I didn't calculate the math exactly, but isn't he on pace for 55-65ish points?

+1

I wanted him traded during that stretch where he just flat out sucked. If he played like this last season, no one would want him traded because when he left he was a fan favorite.

edit: Though about it, he's only real downfall this season is his inconsistency (point wise). He's lazy when he is good and he is lazy when he is bad. hwen he's scoring, people overlook the lazy part, when he isn't, it's the reason people (including me) want him gone.

Because he's horribly inconsistent. For every 10 games where he puts up points, he goes 10 more where he isn't even visible on the ice.

He doesn't bring it every night. His inconsistencies have been even more pathetic in the last few playoffs he's played in.


+1 (ewww)

Agreed, it's really the only reason i wouldn't mind him traded. But if you want him gone because he floats and is inconsistent, then Franzen should be shipped off as well.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:18 AM

He doesn't bring it every night. His inconsistencies have been even more pathetic in the last few playoffs he's played in.


Really? In 2008, he played exclusively on the fourth line and had five goals and nine assists, including that vital goal in game four of the SCF. In 2009, he played on the third line and scored four goals and eight assists. This sort of production is what is expected of Hudler. He did suck in the playoffs last season, for sure, but this was not the case in the prior two playoffs he participated in.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:19 AM

Because he's horribly inconsistent. For every 10 games where he puts up points, he goes 10 more where he isn't even visible on the ice.


how many wingers with a cap hit of less than $3 million are consistent?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:38 AM

Hopefully for Ottawa, Michalek isn't out too long. Runblad was the odd man out with Carkner just getting back. Ottawa currently sits 4th in the Northeast, but just 1 point behind both Toronto and Buffalo.
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