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#1 robb himself

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:55 AM

just saw this on my twitter...it comes from Jake Ware, a Washington Columnist


Red Wings acquire: RW Alexander Semin + D Jeff Schultz

Capitals acquire: LW Dan Cleary + D Jakub Kindl + 2012 First-Round Pick


"It was heavily rumoured this past offseason that the Detroit Red Wings took a hard run at Alexander Semin, but that the Caps did not oblige. They lack top-level skill players on their wings, and it seemed Semin was a good candidate for them.

His acquisition would allow them to recreate a phenomenal first line, the 27-year-old being put alongside superstars Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. With their cap space, the Red Wings would also be able to bring in defenseman Jeff Schultz, who would add good size and depth at defense. He excels on the penalty kill and in shot blocking—both areas where the Wings could use help.

While many might see this as a losing trade for the Caps, it is in fact quite the opposite. They pick up versatile winger Dan Cleary, one of the most honest and consistent players in the league. With a Stanley Cup under his belt, he would also bring some much needed experience and leadership to the Caps' lineup. Assuming Mike Knuble eventually climbs back up the depth chart, this trade would help build a strong second-line of Cleary, Marcus Johansson and Knuble.

In addition, the Caps pick up one of the best young defensive players in the league in Jakub Kindl, who would take Schultz's spot and eventually replace Roman Hamrlik in the lineup. They'd also receive a good first-rounder in the 2012 draft."



I dont mind the trade at all, I would do it in a heartbeat. Having Semin on Datsyuks wing could be absolutely deadly, letting Franzen play with Zetterbeg and having the blueprints of two extremely good scoring lines. The only thing I would like to change is the 1st round pick to a 2nd rounder, or possibly a prospect like Landon Ferraro.

Semin, Datsyuk, Holmstrom

Franzen, Zetterberg, Filppula

Hudler, Helm, Bertuzzi

Abdelkader, Emmerton, Eaves

Lidstrom, White

Kronwall, Ericsson

Schultz, Stuart



What do you guys think? (dont shoot the messenger)

Edited by robb himself, 25 November 2011 - 11:17 AM.

be about it!

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:00 AM

Wings would be stupid to turn down that trade. The Capitals would be stupid to accept that trade. Plus, doesn't Cleary have a NTC/NMC?

So in your scenario, Filppula has been traded as well?

Edited by Konnan511, 25 November 2011 - 10:02 AM.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

Wings would be stupid to turn down that trade. The Capitals would be stupid to accept that trade. Plus, doesn't Cleary have a NTC/NMC?

So in your scenario, Filppula has been traded as well?

Cleary's NTC is effective until 30 days prior the trade deadline.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:28 AM

Wings would be stupid to turn down that trade. The Capitals would be stupid to accept that trade. Plus, doesn't Cleary have a NTC/NMC?

So in your scenario, Filppula has been traded as well?

Agreed 100%

I'd be sad to see Cleary go and Semin has SERIOUS compete level problems, but the talent level would be simply too much to pass up... Schultz would also be a very welcome addition on our blueline, also, the OPs lines are very odd (as you touched on, with the obvious ommission of one of our best, most consistent players this season - Fil)

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 11:10 AM

Do you really think the Caps would go for this? If they want rid of Semin that bad I think it is a steal for the Wings. I would love to see what Semin and Dats could do together!

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 11:19 AM

Wings would be stupid to turn down that trade. The Capitals would be stupid to accept that trade. Plus, doesn't Cleary have a NTC/NMC?

So in your scenario, Filppula has been traded as well?



yikes! I cant believe I missed Filppula! I was trying to write submit this thread as I was eating my breakfast and rushing out the door for work...sorry guys...my bad!

But yeah I'd have Filppula on that second line with Franzen and Zetterberg and bump Bertuzzi down o the third line.
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

Throw Erskine in there, and I take this trade in a heartbeat.
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 01:41 PM

I didnt get it. Legit rumor or scÚnario?

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 02:11 PM

id miss kindl. but semins with datsyuk yesss. we need sniper

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 02:23 PM

A week ago on the HNIC Satellite Hotstove the panel talked as though Semin could be had on the cheap (panel mentioned the Caps would pack Semin's bag for him) - as in it'd would be a welcome salary dump for a overpaid guy not playing up to expectations.

If that's the case (salary dump)- then I'm thinking Hudler, or Cleary straight up for Semin.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 03:04 PM

A week ago on the HNIC Satellite Hotstove the panel talked as though Semin could be had on the cheap (panel mentioned the Caps would pack Semin's bag for him) - as in it'd would be a welcome salary dump for a overpaid guy not playing up to expectations.

If that's the case (salary dump)- then I'm thinking Hudler, or Cleary straight up for Semin.

I'd like that! Hudler or Cleary, that way you could keep the other to package a deal for Parise. If you add Semin and Parise, how do we acquire Weber or Suter? Not likely, nor probable that the Wings pick up all these guys, but could you imagine this team with Semin, Parise and one of Weber/Suter? If the OP's rumor/scenario brings us Semin and Shultz for Cleary/Kindl, I wouldn't mind seeing Ericsson packaged for one of the Preds. Stranger things have happened...

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 08:32 PM

Hee hee... Semin...

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 08:42 PM

A big defenceman who isn't physical, and a soft slug with a worse work ethic then Hudler. Ya no, I just want nothing to do with Semin. (lollll :hehe:)

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:13 PM

Those of you that would not do this trade are nuts! Semin would provide the wings with a lot more scoring, and would work out great with Pavs imo. He has never been able to play with a 1st line centerman for an entire season and is still a 30 goal scorer... imagine what he can do with Pavs. I would accept this trade in a heartbeat because it would give the Wings a lot more options and make them a lot more dangerous on offense.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:36 PM

I much rather give them hudler then cleary. Even though cleary isnt scoring goals like last year he is doing great defensively. Hudler is getting close to 3 mil to play 3rd line mins. I cringe every time I see him in the defensive zone.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:44 PM

I'm from Baltimore originally and, in addition to catching all the Wings games, I watch the majority of the Caps' games. I would not want Semin. As some other posters have mentioned, the guy has a terrible work ethic. He's taken something like 14 stick penalties this season and leads the caps in PIM. Come playoff time he vanishes.

Given that trade scenario, I wouldn't want to see Cleary go to get Semin. If we had a straight up trade of Hudler for Semin, maybe, but for the cap hit we'd take I really wouldn't be interested in acquiring him.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:21 PM

Wings would be stupid to turn down that trade. The Capitals would be stupid to accept that trade. Plus, doesn't Cleary have a NTC/NMC?

So in your scenario, Filppula has been traded as well?


This trade would only work for Washington if they were 100% positive Semin was splitsville in the summer. On the same side of the coin I'd only really want to do it if I knew Semin would sign with the Wings for a reasonable contract. With his obvious attitude problems and clashes with Big Bruce Boudreau (tripa B as I assume he likes to be called) Holland would have to be damn sure Semin could be forced to actually work hard every night. If he had Datsyuk's work ethic he could actually be competing for 1st in scoring on a regular basis instead of settling for top 20 numbers with terrible consistency and bad penalties.

I'm from Baltimore originally and, in addition to catching all the Wings games, I watch the majority of the Caps' games. I would not want Semin. As some other posters have mentioned, the guy has a terrible work ethic. He's taken something like 14 stick penalties this season and leads the caps in PIM. Come playoff time he vanishes.

Given that trade scenario, I wouldn't want to see Cleary go to get Semin. If we had a straight up trade of Hudler for Semin, maybe, but for the cap hit we'd take I really wouldn't be interested in acquiring him.


Holland would sign off on a straight trade of Hudler for Semin without a second thought. In a worse-case scenario Semin can put Hudler's best-case numbers up. Hudler's a 50-60pt guy when he's on his game. Semin is a 80-100pt guy.
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:23 PM

Semin does not even belong in the nhl, give us ov instead
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:29 PM

I didnt get it. Legit rumor or scÚnario?


It was a speculative comment by a Washington writer, definitely not a trade rumour. Though, I suppose it's be e7 on 'tardlund's website. :lol:
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:29 PM

Living close to D.C, I can say firsthand that Semin is the favorite scapegoat for the casual Caps fan. Sometimes talent doesn't overshadow work ethic -- just ask the proud new owners of Nikita Filatov.

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