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#21 BlakKy

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:45 PM

3 points so far. Booyah!


That last assist is going to disappear. Puck def hit Hudler and Fil.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:53 PM

So for those of you who watched the game; how did he do?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:25 PM

So for those of you who watched the game; how did he do?



He's playing a little better. Still has his work cut out for him.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:39 PM

So for those of you who watched the game; how did he do?

He IS the next captian...I cant see them giving it to anyone else!
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 12:04 AM

i'm not sure when i saw it, i believe that it was an in game thing that i caught. it was talking about Nick as the defensive leader blah blah. they said he sticks to himself but has been vocal before. he has been known to speak up during the playoffs and really some eye opening chatter. and YOU KNOW when Nick is speaking, you better f'n listen. he's the best modern day defensemen we've seen.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:41 AM

I've never been in their locker room, but honestly I can't imagine Zetterberg or Lidstrom giving that speech either. Heck, I've never personally heard Yzerman giving a big speech.

It's one of those things that goes on in the locker room that we don't get to see.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this has always been the way that the (modern at least) Red Wings have operated. I remember someone saying (can't remember when, might have been when Lids took over) that generally it was never the captain that talked in the locker room, but usually someone like Draper, who COULD talk. And then when the captain did pipe up, you knew you were in trouble. I mean I can't really see Lidstrom giving big speaches, but heck if he started telling me what to do, I'd work my ass off every shift after that.

I think Dats would be good for the C because he's proved he's the best on-ice presence for this team. That doesn't mean Z or someone with better English can't join him as the face of this organisation.

On another note, I lol'd the other day when I saw somone post a pic of Hudler as captian for the Czech team :lol: but then I also noticed that after every game he's the last off the ice (bar Howard) and always talks longest to the goaltenders every game. Maybe there is some leadership there?! Plus the amount of times he's broken his face or at least have it cut open, only to come back and do it again... born leader. Huds for the C :ph34r:

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:34 AM

He IS the next captian...I cant see them giving it to anyone else!


He's playing a little better. Still has his work cut out for him.


Thanks! :thumbup:

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:20 AM

Thanks! :thumbup:

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Hudler as captain? :ph34r:

Was just for lolz. Just wondering what made the Czechs give him the C. I'll try and find the pic again

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 10:49 AM

Was just for lolz. Just wondering what made the Czechs give him the C. I'll try and find the pic again

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That's nasty :yowza:

I suppose it's because he was the biggest star on the team(?)

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 12:16 PM

I wouldn't mind if Pavel was given the captaincy.

He seems to be bringing it every game, which is the mark of a captain and leader. I haven't seen that from Zetterberg this season. Too many off games.

The fact that he speaks better English than Pavel is not as important as his play every night.


I dealt with Pavel for a week straight at my job over the summer and spoke to him in both Russian and English; his English is fine and not as bad as people around here make it out to be.

Datsyuk never takes a shift off and never seems to have a down game.

And Datsyuk too soft spoken to be a captain? Really? We've had two of the most soft spoken captains in history right in a row. How in the world would you even know if Datsyuk was quiet in the locker room? I've been a big fan of Datsyuk being the next captain for 3+ years and my "want" of him to be the next captain grows more and more everyday.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:08 PM

Lindstrom is never going to retire so it does not matter.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:37 PM

Lindstrom


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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:24 PM

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:53 PM

Another great game by Datysuk, this time against Boston. Pavel had a slow start (as usual), but he's really brought back his game. All things considered, there's no doubt he'll be the next to lead the Wings. That Pasha magic is best in the league - bar none.


No. Pav is clearly not comfortable in front of the media and has poor English. Z will be the next Captain. Kronwall probably has an outside chance but that's it.

Not sure Datsyuk is really the right guy for all the reasons discussed already, though primarily the language barriers. I think he's more of a leader than people give him credit for though and wouldn't be a terrible choice at all. What has he not excelled at in his career (besides maybe the first few weeks of a season...ha...)? Generally speaking, I've been saying for years that Datsyuk is the heart and soul of this team when it really comes down to the game on the ice, as much or maybe even more than Lidstrom. Dats is to the offense what Nick is to the defense, but like Nick, his contributions on his opposite end are just as impressive as what they do in their positional roles. But again, still not sure if his English-level is really up to the task.

That said, I don't know how I feel about Z these days. He just seems spottier more and more as time passes since the back issues first crept up. He's still a great player, but he is not our best player at all. He does not instill fear into opponents like Datsyuk does. Datsyuk is a superstar among superstars, again, much like Lidstrom, whereas Zetterberg exists on the fringe of superstardom at this point at best.

I'm not trying to suggest that being the best has anything to do with being a good captain at all, but it absolutely has something to do with the decision making process at the very least. Obviously, a less than great player can be a great leader and captain, and a great player can be a terrible leader and captain. But great players who possess a strong character that matches their skill set stand a solid chance at growing into being great leaders and captains. You're going to be looked at as a leader if you're the best whether you want to be or not, so it's inevitable that being the best has something to do with being the captain. As Jimmy D said after Steve retired, "your captain is your best player."

And everyone talks about Steve setting the bar in a sense, but Steve didn't just become "The Captain." Before he was "The Captain," he was chosen to be the captain because he was the best player; he was the centerpiece of the organization. He became "The Captain" because frankly, there's likely less than two handfuls of athletes who were as much of a warrior than Steve Yzerman. What he did in the 2002 Playoff run is nearly unparalleled in all of sports. But none of that changes the fact that those reasons had nothing to do with why he was originally chosen to be captain. He started out as the captain because he was the best, and then became the best at being a captain and a leader when he wasn't necessarily the best player, quietly, without any pretense, and that's why he is "The Captain."

So clearly, being a leader of the magnitude that Steve Yzerman was is not where one starts out when becoming a captain, and that's why I'm not convinced that Pavel couldn't be the captain of this team and a great one at that over time. Z might be more similar to Yzerman as far as his playing career goes in being derailed offensively somewhat by injuries, but he wouldn't be starting out at captain as the best, or on top of his game. And like it or not, being the best does have something to do with the role.

But let's be clear about something: Nick retiring after this season is hardly a done deal. He obviously still has a lot of gas in the tank and there's really no reason other than a lack of motivation that he couldn't continue playing maybe even 4-5 more years. I don't know if he will, but I'm hardly convinced that he won't the way things are going. If he plays even another year or two past this year and you start looking at the next captain then, you've got a Zetterberg who will be closing in on his mid-30's, likely with more back issues and decreased output and more limited ice time, and chances are he won't be playing into his 40's like Nick who has managed to evade major or nagging injuries throughout most of his career. And with Datsyuk, while I could see him playing into his 40's more easily than Zetterberg, he's two years older than Z. Even Kronwall is already 30. These guys aren't spring chickens. If Lidstrom wasn't one of the absolute best players to play the game, he wouldn't have gotten the nod at his age, and only Datsyuk comes close to a Lidstrom-level of all-time greatness (obviously well behind Lids, but far ahead of Z).

Now, if Lidstrom retires next year, it'll obviously be Dats, Z or Kronwall (I think the matter would be discussed in that order personally, with Dats getting the nod so long as he was comfortable with it), but if he hangs around, I think we'll see the Wings looking to a younger player who has the potential to carry the torch for longer. I don't know who it could be (only a hope in a certain player stepping up in the next year or two) but I don't think it's a lock that Dats or Z will get it if Lids hangs around past this season.


Wow. You must be bored today to write a book about this issue.

Hey if Syd can be a Captain, anybody can.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:16 PM

Assuming Nick retires this following summer, there are only three realistic choices for the next captain of this team: Datsyuk, Kronwall, and Zetterberg. All of whom dawn the A. It's reasonable to say Kronwall will not be the captain having just recently acquired the A. Not to mention going from the greatest two-way defenceman to ever play the game as your leader to Kronwall: isn't very inspiring (as underrated as he is). Which leaves us with one of two choices: Pasha or Zetta.

At this point Z is no captain. Apart from being invisible every game, the majority of the time when he does make a mistake it ends up in the back of our net. Take for example the Joe Thorton steal in the offensive zone against San Jose. Zetterberg is always praised for being hard on the puck and protecting it so well. Now keeping in mind that it was Joe Thorton, it was still very uncharacteristic of him. And that give away in front of Jimmy vs. Boston was just brutal. Also his lack of production offensively is disappointing. For those of you who don't know he's on pace for a forty-eight point season.

So we're left with Datsyuk. Not much can be said about him. He hits, steals, passes, scores, makes plays, breaks plays, P.K.s, power-plays and is the best two-way player to ever play the game. The only downside to Pavel is probably his slow starts to every season. Many of you seemed concerned with the way he speaks English, and that he wouldn't speak up in the locker room when needed. But can you really say he wouldn't? Do you really see Nick calling out anyone ? It's guys like Drapper who would say what the team needed to hear in and out of the locker room; Kronwall can definitely fill those shoes, and then some. And besides if worse comes to worse we can always get Zetterberg to give a speech/talk to the media: may as well make good use of that six million.

As of right now it is reasonable to think Pavel will be the next captain of the Wings. That being said, I hope Zetterberg can find his game again and be just as good as we know he is.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:20 PM

Two posts, both of which asserting that one of our star players, a player groomed to be the next captain from the start, isn't good enough to be captain.



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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:09 PM

I don't think it comes down to a competition. I think Z is a foregone conclusion, and it is his to lose. I don't see anything about Z that says to me that he shouldn't be a captain. This doesn't mean that Pavel or Kronner wouldn't make a good captain, just that they have had Z picked since his arrival.

He just needs to grow out his beard and hair to lengths that allow him to play up to his usually high level.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:00 PM

No. Pav is clearly not comfortable in front of the media and has poor English. Z will be the next Captain. Kronwall probably has an outside chance but that's it.



Wow. You must be bored today to write a book about this issue.

Hey if Syd can be a Captain, anybody can.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Now the topic will be derailed....


Ha, actually, yes, I was bored at that moment and on top of that, I was a history major for awhile and had to write at least 3 10-15 pages (or more) papers a week while in the program. You learn to write a lot in as fast a manner as possible. I've unfortunately never been able to dial it back down since deciding I had no interest in being a lawyer at all and switched programs.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 11:47 PM

Assuming Nick retires this following summer, there are only three realistic choices for the next captain of this team: Datsyuk, Kronwall, and Zetterberg. All of whom dawn the A. It's reasonable to say Kronwall will not be the captain having just recently acquired the A. Not to mention going from the greatest two-way defenceman to ever play the game as your leader to Kronwall: isn't very inspiring (as underrated as he is). Which leaves us with one of two choices: Pasha or Zetta.

At this point Z is no captain. Apart from being invisible every game, the majority of the time when he does make a mistake it ends up in the back of our net. Take for example the Joe Thorton steal in the offensive zone against San Jose. Zetterberg is always praised for being hard on the puck and protecting it so well. Now keeping in mind that it was Joe Thorton, it was still very uncharacteristic of him. And that give away in front of Jimmy vs. Boston was just brutal. Also his lack of production offensively is disappointing. For those of you who don't know he's on pace for a forty-eight point season.

So we're left with Datsyuk. Not much can be said about him. He hits, steals, passes, scores, makes plays, breaks plays, P.K.s, power-plays and is the best two-way player to ever play the game. The only downside to Pavel is probably his slow starts to every season. Many of you seemed concerned with the way he speaks English, and that he wouldn't speak up in the locker room when needed. But can you really say he wouldn't? Do you really see Nick calling out anyone ? It's guys like Drapper who would say what the team needed to hear in and out of the locker room; Kronwall can definitely fill those shoes, and then some. And besides if worse comes to worse we can always get Zetterberg to give a speech/talk to the media: may as well make good use of that six million.

As of right now it is reasonable to think Pavel will be the next captain of the Wings. That being said, I hope Zetterberg can find his game again and be just as good as we know he is.


Are you F'n joking? Do you watch the games?
He's had a slow start and Z had a BRUTAL giveaway two games ago...but EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON THE ROSTER gives it away once in a while. How can you honestly write that he is invisible every game- six points in the last 4 games doesnt really seem like he isn't relevent, especially when you fail to mention that Datsyuk went through a very similar drought at the begining of the season. I love how posters will make these ridiculous statements about players of Zetterbergs caliber.
You may not think he should be the next Captian of this team so just say that- dont make stupid and ignorant suggestions that he's not visable or relevant. He's worth his paycheque...every penny.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:57 AM

<br />Are you F'n joking? Do you watch the games? <br />He's had a slow start and Z had a BRUTAL giveaway two games ago...but EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON THE ROSTER gives it away once in a while. How can you honestly write that he is invisible every game- six points in the last 4 games doesnt really seem like he isn't relevent, especially when you fail to mention that Datsyuk went through a very similar drought at the begining of the season. I love how posters will make these ridiculous statements about players of Zetterbergs caliber.<br />You may not think he should be the next Captian of this team so just say that- dont make stupid and ignorant suggestions that he's not visable or relevant. He's worth his paycheque...every penny.<br />

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There's a difference between being bad and being "Datsyuk bad". Zetterberg has had maybe three decent games in the last twenty-two and you wanna argue the fact that he's been invisible? Stop riding him and take an unbiased look at how things are. And to call my post a "stupid and ignorant suggestion" because we don't see eye-to-eye is probably a testament to how low your quality of life is. And for future reference, what I posted wasn't a "suggestion" it was an opinion. And if you're comfortable with paying six million a year for a player who's on pace for forty-eight points then I'm sure there's a Montreal forum you should be on: let a lone the captain of the Wings.





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