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#41 SouthernWingsFan

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:35 PM

The actual scrum in general isn't all that big of a deal, but it still makes them ridiculous hypocrites.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:53 PM

New rule. If you're going to start a thread about an incident, take the time to include a video so people don't have to go searching and embed the video into the thread.


Here's a video of the incident. If it looks familiar, Crosby pulled the same kind of tantrum on Zetterberg once (although Zetterberg didn't deserve it, and Foligno may have).

It's not just an elbow, but a butt-end to the face. This is the kind of stuff mortals get suspended for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIcrxJR_WVs


His tantrum on Zetterberg's back was so much crazier because he must've hit Z's back with the crosscheck half a dozen times or more. I remember my jaw just dropped when he did that to Z... it was so juvenile.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 11:29 PM

His tantrum on Zetterberg's back was so much crazier because he must've hit Z's back with the crosscheck half a dozen times or more. I remember my jaw just dropped when he did that to Z... it was so juvenile.


What was so funny about it is that Hank said that he already knew who it was without even looking behind him.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 11:52 AM

Foligno should have just dropped his gloves and pounced on Crosby.

It'd be interesting to see if the Pens players would let Crosby fight, or would jump in there to save the day.

He's had a few fights in his career, but I have a hard time seeing him doing it after this concussion business.



He tried to right after he took that elbow/forearm shiver, but Kunitz came to rescue his princess.

What was so funny about it is that Hank said that he already knew who it was without even looking behind him.


And actually defended him saying he probably would have done the same thing.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:17 PM

It was dirty. Its hypocritical. Its Crosby. Not surprising. I'm sure he'll do a few more things like this before the season's done.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 06:28 PM

His tantrum on Zetterberg's back was so much crazier because he must've hit Z's back with the crosscheck half a dozen times or more. I remember my jaw just dropped when he did that to Z... it was so juvenile.


My jaw dropped too but Zetterberg did unintentionally slash Sid in the groin area right off the faceoff. Again, I'm not saying Sid should've done all that, but I understand. Nobody ever sees that. When you get hit in that special place you might just rage out on everybody.

Wasn't he the guy that had that sitcom in the 80s and wore awful-looking sweaters?

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Those sweaters are sweet. :D

And I thought Crosby was a musician?

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:09 PM

No. Crosby is a kicker for the Green Bay Packers.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:52 AM

No. Crosby is a kicker for the Green Bay Packers.


Oh shoot, I thought Crosby was this dude.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:39 AM

Butt-end to the face? I don't think so.

More like a side of the wrist to the face. If you watch the video, the butt end of the stick (if its in his hand) is off to Foligno's right. Even then, it isn't protruding. I do have to agree though that Crosby has done this before. The cross checks he are throwing should be called, especially the ones he threw on Zetterberg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpNLHuIAos

Take him to the box for cross checking.

A goalie named "Flowers" no less. How big of a pansy can you be?

Guy Lafleur was also nicknamed "The Flower". I would hide behind him anytime. I think he was more of a man than Fleury. :)

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:38 AM

For starters, that isn't a suspendable hit. It's a scrum in front of the net where one player is taking extra liberties.

Second, Crosby at least had some reason to give cheap shots to Foligno. And they weren't even super cheap shots at that.

Third, Crosby is a cheap little *****. As soon as things get heated Kunitz is in to save the day. If you want Crosby to play sheriff, then let him fight his own battles.


Everything before the hit to the face was a scrum in front of the net. The head shot is exactly what the NHL said they're trying to "enforce," mostly because of what happened to their golden child. All I know is that if the situation was reversed, Foligno would have some mandatory time off.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:37 PM

Doesn't matter, bottom line is Crysby gives the NHL even LESS respect than they get compared to the rest of the sports. The fact that they are trying to eliminate plays like this by suspension's and then to not suspend a player for doing it makes it obvious that he has special rules set for himself. The play itself, I really have no issue with because if you've ever played hockey, these things happen and I can imagine in the NHL it's on a more competitive and greater scale, BUT suspend the player NO MATTER WHO IT IS. If Patrick Kane does it, if Tomas Holmstrom does it, if Pavel Datsyuk does it, if Matt Cooke does it. And for Bylsma to actually defend the non suspension just goes to show how yellow he is. These special rules are what dummy's this league down. 2009, Malkin instigates a fight in game 2, MANDATORY suspension for game 3, but wait, Bettman cannot have that, he even said the the NHL cannot have their best players sitting out on the grand stage, so the instigator gets thrown out. Malkin goes on to factor in on all the goals pittsburgh scored in game 3, a game where if he were suspended, Detroit would've been up 3 games to none for sure.

It's these Bettman rules that drive me (and most of the hockey nation) crazy and it makes me hate the NHL more and more. The NHL IS much better without the likes of Cindy in it. You want to play hard and compete and play a little dirty? Fine, but don't *****, whine and dive all over the place when you get a Louisville to your mouth, but don't pretend to be a golden boy and nobody can touch you and then do stupid s*** like this and still complain about open ice hits and hits to the head. NHL, if you want to be seen as a safer league and have the best players playing, then you have to be consistent and just. I just cannot wait for the first guy to hit this guy that one last time. The NHL will be a better place.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

Doesn't matter, bottom line is Crysby gives the NHL even LESS respect than they get compared to the rest of the sports. The fact that they are trying to eliminate plays like this by suspension's and then to not suspend a player for doing it makes it obvious that he has special rules set for himself.

That's total BS. Please cite one, only one will suffice, example of another player in the league that has done something similar and got suspended for it?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:10 PM


Guy Lafleur was also nicknamed "The Flower". I would hide behind him anytime. I think he was more of a man than Fleury. :)

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Guy_Lafleur"



Touche. Although, if we try to make some sense of rationalization of this, The Flower implies that he's important. Like he's the only Flower that matters. So there's an intimidation factor there. Flowers just makes me think of a field of daisies.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:25 PM

Crosby responds to Foligno's comments


Two nights before that I go into a scrum and I get punched in the head. I accept that


Who is this hero who punched him and WHY, WHY his punch was so weak that even that ***** accept it?!!

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:33 PM

That's total BS. Please cite one, only one will suffice, example of another player in the league that has done something similar and got suspended for it?

There probably isn't any, but the first time he gets an elbow to the face, there will be. The point also was, he comes him and says how these type of plays need to be out of the game, then does it himself and thinks its ok. Then he gets defended by the league and coaches for doing it. I already said I don't have an issue with the play, but don't flip the coin when it happens to him, and that is what goes on in the NHL with him playing. Don't say it's illegal and then do it and say it was just playing hard. Well, maybe the times you got knock out, they were just playing hard too? Heat of the moment happens and players do things that the feel bad for later. Maybe if he would've said it was the wrong thing to do and he feels bad that he did it, and will work on not ever doing it again, then maybe he would've gained some respect. But he acted like it was no big deal that he elbow jacked him in the face, but let it happen to him, then we will see the sky falling...

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:37 PM

There probably isn't any, but the first time he gets an elbow to the face, there will be. The point also was, he comes him and says how these type of plays need to be out of the game, then does it himself and thinks its ok. Then

Can you show me where he said these types of plays should be out of the game?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:16 PM

Can you show me where he said these types of plays should be out of the game?


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:56 PM

Now, that left a mark.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:01 PM

“As professionals, the odd time maybe there’s accidental contact, but for the most part you can control what’s going on out there. If a guy’s gotta be responsible with his stick, you have to be responsible with the rest of your body. Whether it’s accidental or not accidental, you have to be responsible out there.” - Sidney Crosby

Ummm....pretty sure he was referring to body checks to the head....not standing still in a scrum and getting your forearm up in someone's face. There's an absolutely huge difference there.

By your logic, if Crosby gets into a scrum and guys are punching him in the face, he can't punch them back because that would make him hypocritical since that would be considered a head shot. I know what he did wasn't a punch, but it wasn't really an elbow to the head either.

Edit: that said, there are a lot of people out there that think the league is contradicting themselves by taking a hard stance on headshots (i.e. bodychecks to the head) while still allowing fighting (guys punching each other in the head).

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:13 PM

Ummm....pretty sure he was referring to body checks to the head....not standing still in a scrum and getting your forearm up in someone's face. There's an absolutely huge difference there.


Not as big a difference as you're making it out to be.

It's not like it's the difference between a player taking a swing with his stick versus someone battling for the puck and accidentally clipping the opposing player. There's the issue of intent. In the former, there's intent; the latter, there's not.

Sid's elbow to the head of Foligno may not have been of the skating-by-with-a-blindside-hit variety, but the intent to hit Foligno in the head with his elbow was there. He's clearly stated that he wants hits targeting the head out of the game. Well, his elbow targeted Foligno's head.

Now, I'm not saying he should have been suspended for it or any nonsense like that. The penalty he received was warranted and that's the end of it. But it still makes him a hypocrite following the rule of "Do as I say, not as I do."

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