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There are plenty of players that we can pick up next year that will make us tougher to play against.

Aron Asham

Brandon Prust

Byron Bitz

Daniel Carcillo

Darrel Boyce

Matt Martin

Shawn Thornton

Sean Avery

Ryan Carter

Tim Jackman

Jim Slater

Joey Grabb

Philippe Dupuis

etc...

Defenseman:

Barret Jackman

Alexi Yemelin

Theo Peckham

Mark Fistric

Korbinian Holzer

Mike Kommiserak

Boris Valabik

etc..

There is plenty of players that Holland can go out and replace Bert, Hudler, Miller, Emmerton and Holstrom etc. We need a change of 4th line. Usually 4th lines are big gritty guys that go out and crash and bang. We have a bunch of small soft guys that get manhandled like crazy.

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There are plents of players that we can pick up next year that will make us tougher to play agains on the 4th line.

Aron Asham

Brandon Prust

Byron Bitz

Daniel Carcillo

Darrel Boyce

Matt Martin

Shawn Thornton

Sean Avery

Ryan Carter

Tim Jackman

Jim Slater

Joey Grabb

Philippe Dupuis

etc...

Defenseman:

Barret Jackman

Alexi Yemelin

Theo Peckham

Mark Fistric

Korbinian Holzer

Mike Kommiserak

Boris Valabik

etc..

There is plenty of players that Holland can go out and replace Bert, Hudler, Miller, Emmerton and Holstrom etc. We need a change of 4th line. Usually 4th lines are big gritty guys that go out and crash and bang. We have a bunch of small soft guys that get manhandled like crazy.

While I agree somewhat with your options there, OUR fourth line guys have done a pretty solid job. Miller gets mad hate yet Babs keeps playing him and although he's really not a crash and bang type of guy he's been solid all around imo. Same with Cory. Holmstrom has even looked pretty good minus his skating ability. But yes next year I would like to somehow see our 4th line get tougher but it might not happen as well. Too early to tell yet.

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I don't totally disagree, but boy those big tough Bruins sure put the Wings in their place last week.

That win was quite weird.

The Bruins played a great game that seems like it can be quite effective in the playoffs. I'm not saying the Wings need to be a lot more like the Bruins but I think a lot of teams, not just the Wings, would like to get a little bigger and stronger.

I'd like to add a young, perhaps unpolished up and coming talent in the mold of Brooks Laich or Ryane Clowe. I feel like adding that kind of guy is definitely one way to push the Wings into top contender status.

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That win was quite weird.

The Bruins played a great game that seems like it can be quite effective in the playoffs. I'm not saying the Wings need to be a lot more like the Bruins but I think a lot of teams, not just the Wings, would like to get a little bigger and stronger.

I'd like to add a young, perhaps unpolished up and coming talent in the mold of Brooks Laich or Ryane Clowe. I feel like adding that kind of guy is definitely one way to push the Wings into top contender status.

Agreed. I would prefer some more size/skill in the top-six as well, but that's a commodity most any team would also desire. I just don't necessarily believe the Red Wings absolutely can't contend without being less "soft". Sometimes all it really takes is a hard forecheck to wear on a team's defense. The Red Wings have players capable of doing that, which can negate any advantage in size or "grit" a team like the Sharks may own.

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There are plenty of players that we can pick up next year that will make us tougher to play against.

Aron Asham

Brandon Prust

Byron Bitz

Daniel Carcillo

Darrel Boyce

Matt Martin

Shawn Thornton

Sean Avery

Ryan Carter

Tim Jackman

Jim Slater

Joey Grabb

Philippe Dupuis

etc...

Defenseman:

Barret Jackman

Alexi Yemelin

Theo Peckham

Mark Fistric

Korbinian Holzer

Mike Kommiserak

Boris Valabik

etc..

There is plenty of players that Holland can go out and replace Bert, Hudler, Miller, Emmerton and Holstrom etc. We need a change of 4th line. Usually 4th lines are big gritty guys that go out and crash and bang. We have a bunch of small soft guys that get manhandled like crazy.

You must be going for the record on minuses for one post (I think that stinky fish guy holds the current record).

That being said, while I don't think the Wings are necessarily soft I do think they could use more snarl. They would benefit from more intimidating physical players in the lineup, especially on the bottom lines where there's more players of that kind available. And to be clear I'm not talking about goons.

No thank you to Avery and Carcillo, but there are guys out there. I also wouldn't include Homer in your list of players to replace. He's getting long in the tooth but he's shown he still has value and his been one of the better Wings so far this season.

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It's OK. I'm not finish though I'm just getting start.

You better Czech yourself because you're Russian for some negs.

Random nonsense

If your biggest gripe is our fourth line, then Kenny is doing a damn good job.

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Last year's Bruins don't count?

Meh. Campbell is more of an agitator that people wanted to punch in the face. I'll give you Thornton (I'd love him on the WIngs because he can actually play) I'll give you McQuaid as well because that boy can FIGHTTTT. Other than those three, who exactly makes this team (oh God) hard? Lucic is a spot picking turd, as is Who Hearing Horton,and even Chara to a lesser degree.

Plus the Bruins didn't win the Cup, the Boston Thomas' won the cup.

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lucic and chara would destroy anyone on this team without breaking a sweat.

lol @ suggesting the bruins aren't a tough team. get real.

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Yep agreed completely.

There have been times where this wings team looks like a team that has won everything there is to win. WHich is true for most of them.

That vancouver game where Abdelkader pounded Lapierre into a turtle, the wings got spark after. The wings could use a guy who can change momentum with a big hit on forward, or a fight as well.

Tim Jackman is one of the best 4th liners in the league, Shawn Thornton would be a perfect fit on this team, Matt Martin is looking to be a heavyweight who can play third line minutes and Prust is probably my favourite non redwing player.

I actually dont understand how Holland hasnt went out and got a guy like this, these non goon fighters are becoming more commonn because you cant be one dimensional anymore.

And with what Miller offers, and what Eaves has been playing like so far this year I would prefer any of those guys on the wings 4th line.

Prust is by far the best option I think and would jump for joy if the wings got him

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lucic and chara would destroy anyone on this team without breaking a sweat.

lol @ suggesting the bruins aren't a tough team. get real.

No kidding. They're one of the toughest in the league.

As much as I don't like either of them, Chara and Lucic should be spot pickers. It'd be stupid for them to take themselves off the ice for 5 minutes just to fight some 4th liner. Chara especially as a defenseman.

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Well, if enough people are using that word, that means it may have some actual truth behind it.

Number of people supporting particular idea is not a good way to evaluate validity of the said idea.

Having said that I am biased since I prefer skill over grit. Two Sharks skating into each other trying to hit Dats is my idea of a good hockey play. Him fighting Perry - I can live without.

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Number of people supporting particular idea is not a good way to evaluate validity of the said idea.

Having said that I am biased since I prefer skill over grit. Two Sharks skating into each other trying to hit Dats is my idea of a good hockey play. Him fighting Perry - I can live without.

Well too bad Drew Miller and Patty Eaves wont do either of those things, Dats isnt really in the question.

I would rather have a fourth liner who can run guys over, because quite frankly if he had the ability to skate around guys he wouldnt be a fourth liner. The wings fourth line cant do either.

And fourth line can be huge for teams, the grind line is a prime example

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Meh. Campbell is more of an agitator that people wanted to punch in the face. I'll give you Thornton (I'd love him on the WIngs because he can actually play) I'll give you McQuaid as well because that boy can FIGHTTTT. Other than those three, who exactly makes this team (oh God) hard? Lucic is a spot picking turd, as is Who Hearing Horton,and even Chara to a lesser degree.

Plus the Bruins didn't win the Cup, the Boston Thomas' won the cup.

Boston has the toughest team in the league right now, bar none.

Thornton, Boychuk, Chara, Lucic, McQuaid, Campbell.

These guys can all fight and are all regulars. No team dresses as tough a lineup every night. I hate those players more than anyone, but you can't take that away from them.

Who do this year's Pens have?

If they ever call up MacIntyre, they'll have the best fighter in hockey today.

They do, however dress Engelland, Asham and Kennedy. A legit heavy and a great middleweight in there. You have to dress tough guys if you're playing in that division.

Number of people supporting particular idea is not a good way to evaluate validity of the said idea.

Having said that I am biased since I prefer skill over grit. Two Sharks skating into each other trying to hit Dats is my idea of a good hockey play. Him fighting Perry - I can live without.

I wouldn't bring up the Sharks if I was you. It's poor salesmanship.

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lucic and chara would destroy anyone on this team without breaking a sweat.

lol @ suggesting the bruins aren't a tough team. get real.

in what? UFC?

There seems to be a disconnect these days between what is fun to watch and what makes an effective NHL team/player.

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in what? UFC?

There seems to be a disconnect these days between what is fun to watch and what makes an effective NHL team/player.

Well there were both huge in a stanley cup win last year, one scored more goals than anyone on our team and the other is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL.

So yeah they could destroy most of the wings in hockey, than beat them up

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There are plenty of players that we can pick up next year that will make us tougher to play against.

Aron Asham

Brandon Prust

Byron Bitz

Daniel Carcillo

Darrel Boyce

Matt Martin

Shawn Thornton

Sean Avery

Ryan Carter

Tim Jackman

Jim Slater

Joey Grabb

Philippe Dupuis

etc...

Defenseman:

Barret Jackman

Alexi Yemelin

Theo Peckham

Mark Fistric

Korbinian Holzer

Mike Kommiserak

Boris Valabik

etc..

There is plenty of players that Holland can go out and replace Bert, Hudler, Miller, Emmerton and Holstrom etc. We need a change of 4th line. Usually 4th lines are big gritty guys that go out and crash and bang. We have a bunch of small soft guys that get manhandled like crazy.

Haven't had a thread like this is a while.

To be honest, our 4th line hasn't looked awful this year. That being said, come playoff time, we're gonna want a few guys that can wear the defense down on the forecheck and win puck battles down low. As far as defense goes, we need guys that will clear the crease, and be able to block shots. I'm sick of having huge pile-ups on top of Howard because of defense just collapses on him. Here is a list of guys I want us to pursue over the summer. Since money likely won't be a problem this offseason, I won't list their current salary.

Forwards:

Dan Carcillo- 26 years old. 7 points in 19 games coming into tonight. He's found his offensive touch with Chicago this year. Finishes his checks, gets underneath the opposition's skin.

Gregory Campbell- 27 years old. 5 points in 22 games this season. Pretty good in the faceoff circle, he's quick, and gritty.

Brandon Prust- 27 years old. 5 points in 21 games this season. This guy is a total gamer. Complete team guy. One of my favorite non-Wings. He can play a regular shift, hits everything in sight, and can score here and there.

Arron Asham- 33 years old. 6 points in 24 games this year. Solid fighter and good forechecker. He's got playoff experience, but I'd personally like to see us grab a younger guy.

Tim Jackman- 30 years old. 4 points in 22 games. One of the better 4th liners in the NHL. Solid hitter.

George Parros- 31 years old. 1 point in 11 games this season. Been injured for a while, but he's got playoff experience and he's one of the more experienced scrappers in the league. I'd be surprised if he left Anaheim, though.

Travis Moen- 29 years old. 10 points in 24 games. Solid grinder with veteran experience. He's got a nose for the net and is one of Montreal's more consistent offensive players.

Sean Avery- 31 years old. 2 points in 10 games since getting re-called. Sure, he's a controversial character, but when he plays his game and keeps his mouth shut, he's awful effective. Wouldn't mind seeing Avery's return to Detroit.

Brad Winchester- 30 years old. 4 points in 21 games. big, physical presence who can score on occasion. Wouldn't mind seeing him here to bolster the bottom 6.

Tanner Glass- 28 years old. Has had a surprisingly good offensive start to the season. 10 points in 24 games on a line not known for its offensive prowess. This guy is the real deal, folks. Great team guy.

Shawn Thornton- 34 years old. 3 points in 22 games. One of the best defensively responsible 4th liners in the game, and he's a good scrapper. Veteran with past playoff success.

Zenon Konopka- 30 years old. 4 points in 18 games. Faceoff specialist. Another team guy who can skate pretty well.

Matt Martin- 22 years old. RFA after this year. 4 points in 22 games. One of the best hitters in the league. Not afraid to drop the gloves.

Jared Boll- 25 years old. RFA after this year. 1 point in 9 games. Can play on the penalty kill and blocks shots. Sticks up for his teammates. Ferocious on the forecheck.

Kyle Chipchura- 25 years old. RFA after this year. 3 points in 13 games this season. Decent on the faceoffs from what I know. Would be a good 13th forward.

Derek Dorsett- 24 years old. RFA after this year. 5 points in 23 games this season. One of my favorite non-Wings. He's got all the tools to be a legit power forward in this league. Pretty quick skater and a hard hitter. Scrappy combatant indeed, and he's not afraid of anyone. I've discussed this guy with a few different posters here, and he reminds me of McCarty. Kenny, if you're listening, make a trade for this guy.

Defensemen:

Tim Gleason- 28 years old. 6'0", 217. Michigan native. He's got some playoff experience, and he can put up a few points. In addition, he can throw his body around and block shots.

Jim Vandermeer- 31 years old. 6'1", 210. Classic stay-at-home defenseman. Blocks shots. Pretty good scrapper, and kills penalties.

Sheldon Brookbank- 31 years old. 6'1", 200. Fiesty guy who will definitely make sure nobody gets in the same zip code as Howard.

Clayton Stoner- 26 years old. 6'3", 225. Clears the crease and drops the gloves.

Shane O'Brien- 28 years old. 6'3", 230. Big, scrappy defenseman who has grown into a vocal leader on a relatively young Colorado team. Clears the crease, blocks shots, he's the real deal when it comes to stay at home defenseman.

Ryan Wilson- 24 years old. 6'1", 207. RFA after this year. Another one who falls into my "Real deal" category. One of the hardest hitting defenders in the league. Additionally, he's put up 12 points this year.

Theo Peckham- 6'2", 235. RFA after this year. 24 years old. Hard hitting guy who will keep the opposition honest.

Mark Fistric- 6'2", 233. RFA after this year. 25 years old. One of the hardest hitting defensemen in the league, along with Ryan Wilson. One of my favorite defensemen.

Barret Jackman is kind of a ******, and he's getting old, but I wouldn't be upset if we picked him up for cheap.

Sorry for the obscenely long list. Bored tonight.

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Sure the wings could use more bangers, it would be nice. BUT I wonder how many of the ppl who support bringing in a player like Avery or Carcillo complain about Bert taking dumb penalties. In the end the wings may and more then likely will need a real banger type but unless its someone who fits with the team (which I dont think includes Avery or Carcillo) or our PK suddenly becomes top 5 worthy they shouldnt just take anyone for the sake of adding toughness, grit, banging or whatever lingo you use to describe a player of that type

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