Mike Commodore

[uk_redwing 495]

I feel bad for Commodore. He's never really had a chance due to his preseason injury coupled with never playing more than the odd game so far. Unless there's an injury on defence it doesn't seem like he's gonna play.

What's the plan then? Waive him? Minors? Conditioning stint?

Personally, I'd like to throw the idea out of rotating him in as a 4th line forward every now and then. Get him to use his size, bang some bodies and crash the net. It might not be ideal, but it'll at least help get him into game shape so he's able to play some games on D if needed. Rotating him with Miller/Emmerton/Connor until Mursak returns would be a possible solution.

Just think it's a shame seeing him as a healthy scratch every game without getting a proper chance. I think if he was waived someone would claim him. Detroit wasn't the only offer he had in the offseason. Just seems a waste.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

It's not a stretch to say that we will have an injury on defense at some point.

Commodore will play again. No reason to do anything with him.

[uk_redwing 495]

It's not a stretch to say that we will have an injury on defense at some point.

Commodore will play again. No reason to do anything with him.

You can't have a guy not playing for weeks and weeks on end. He's gonna be so out of shape and then when we get an injury on defense he's not gonna be the most ideal replacement is he?

At the very least he needs a conditioning stint.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

You can't have a guy not playing for weeks and weeks on end. He's gonna be so out of shape and then when we get an injury on defense he's not gonna be the most ideal replacement is he?

At the very least he needs a conditioning stint.

Yeah, that's true.

They could rotate him with Ericsson and Maxim Kuzne......I mean Kindle.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Yeah, that's true.

They could rotate him with Ericsson and Maxim Kuzne......I mean Kindle.

Yeah right, because Kindl’s really sucking right now with his 7 points and +5 rating.

Edited December 13, 2011 by rick zombo

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Yeah right, because Kindl’s really sucking right now with his 7 points and +5 rating.

Well said. Kindl's been extremely solid this season, anything who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying much attention.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Yeah right, because Kindl’s really sucking right now with his 7 points and +5 rating.

Those numbers are barely decent. He's been just OK. Certainly doesn't show that he can't be sat for a few games along with Ericsson.

Just rotate them to keep Commodore fresh for when he has to come in during an injury. I'm not saying we should send Kindl to the minors.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Those numbers are barely decent. He's been just OK. Certainly doesn't show that he can't be sat for a few games along with Ericsson.

Just rotate them to keep Commodore fresh for when he has to come in during an injury. I'm not saying we should send Kindl to the minors.

The comparison to Kuznetsov set the tone. Kindl is on pace for 21+ points and is posting a very respectable +/-. What more do you want from a #5/6.

Why play Commodore? Although I have nothing against the guy.

Edited December 13, 2011 by rick zombo

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Those numbers are barely decent. He's been just OK. Certainly doesn't show that he can't be sat for a few games along with Ericsson.

Just rotate them to keep Commodore fresh for when he has to come in during an injury. I'm not saying we should send Kindl to the minors.

Hmmmm so very wrong, where to start? If Kindl has been 'just OK', do you really think Commodore would've sat for 12 straight games? Yeah, don't think so.

And those numbers are more than decent for a 6th defenceman who doesn't get PP time. More points than Stuart, and Ericsson.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Hmmmm so very wrong, where to start? If Kindl has been 'just OK', do you really think Commodore would've sat for 12 straight games? Yeah, don't think so.

And those numbers are more than decent for a 6th defenceman who doesn't get PP time. More points than Stuart, and Ericsson.

Well, Ericsson has been downright s***ty, yet he got a big contract in the offseason and continues to suck. Still, Commodore sits behind him. I do question some of the evaluation of talent on this organization to still dress that guy every night.

I don't see anything wrong at all with my assessment. I'm not saying Commodore should permanently be dressed, but get him some games here and there, while sitting guys we can afford to sit.

I'm not saying we should sit Lidstrom or Kronwall to play Commodore.

Edited December 13, 2011 by GMRwings1983

[dobbles 252]

i think kindl has played very well both statistically for a 6th dman and by watching him play and make good things happen in both ends. under no circumstance should he sit any time soon. i do think ericsson could use a couple games on the pine to try and get his head straight. he has been pretty underwhelming so far this year.

personally, i am fine with commodore sitting until needed. he is a veteran; its not as if he can't step in tomorrow and know what he's doing. and while his legs may not be there to start, its not as if speed and agility were ever his strong suit. thats why you bring in veterans like him; they can step in at a moments notice and not skip a beat.

[Casey 145]

Those numbers are barely decent. He's been just OK. Certainly doesn't show that he can't be sat for a few games along with Ericsson.

Just rotate them to keep Commodore fresh for when he has to come in during an injury. I'm not saying we should send Kindl to the minors.

99th among defensemen in plus/minus when playing as a bottom-pairing defenseman is barely decent to you? Oh, and by the way, that's more points than Stuart or Ericsson despite having less ice time on average. That's also more points in 26 games than he had last year in 47.

I'd say he's doing pretty damn well for his second full year. Who did you expect, Bobby Orr?

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

i think kindl has played very well both statistically for a 6th dman and by watching him play and make good things happen in both ends. under no circumstance should he sit any time soon. i do think ericsson could use a couple games on the pine to try and get his head straight. he has been pretty underwhelming so far this year.

personally, i am fine with commodore sitting until needed. he is a veteran; its not as if he can't step in tomorrow and know what he's doing. and while his legs may not be there to start, its not as if speed and agility were ever his strong suit. thats why you bring in veterans like him; they can step in at a moments notice and not skip a beat.

Hopefully.

Except we really don't know what we have in Commodore. He hasn't looked great in his career recently. I want to see what he can give us and whether he has anything left.

99th among defensemen in plus/minus when playing as a bottom-pairing defenseman is barely decent to you? Oh, and by the way, that's more points than Stuart or Ericsson despite having less ice time on average. That's also more points in 26 games than he had last year in 47.

I'd say he's doing pretty damn well for his second full year. Who did you expect, Bobby Orr?

Wow, I didn't know Kindl has become "untouchable" on these forums for even a few games.

Fine, just sit Ericsson. As if I'd have a problem with him being the scratch.

Edited December 13, 2011 by GMRwings1983

[dobbles 252]

Hopefully.

Except we really don't know what we have in Commodore. He hasn't looked great in his career recently. I want to see what he can give us and whether he has anything left.

Wow, I didn't know Kindl has become "untouchable" on these forums for even a few games.

Fine, just sit Ericsson. As if I'd have a problem with him being the scratch.

i agree about commodore perhaps not having much left in the tank. and i agree that we have to know what we have.

i don't think people see kindl as untouchable. however, you have to reward young players that are exceeding expectations. sitting him for mike commodore would be the absolute opposite of that.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Hopefully.

Except we really don't know what we have in Commodore. He hasn't looked great in his career recently. I want to see what he can give us and whether he has anything left.

Wow, I didn't know Kindl has become "untouchable" on these forums for even a few games.

Fine, just sit Ericsson. As if I'd have a problem with him being the scratch.

Hes not untouchable, I think people just realise that hes been solid all season and deserves a bit of credit for playing his role successfully and not giving Babs any reason to sit him.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Aussie_Wing

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I'm not surprised nor upset with Commodore's role here so far. He's a depth d-man coming off a very poor year. Going into the season, I thought it was possible Commodore may slide into the #6 spot depending on Kindl's play, but Kindl has been quite impressive and has done nothing to deserve being scratched.

The Red Wings team defense has been very strong, the pairings appear to have a nice balance and chemistry, so I see no reason to just give Commodore some games. He's nice to keep around for insurance purposes, but I don't see him replacing any of the regular d-men unless injuries hit.

And no, Ericsson isn't going to get scratched for Commodore.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Keep Commie on the bench until someone gets hurt. Commie is nothing more than a 7th defenseman. Kindl has looked way too good to be sat.

[newfy 695]

Can they just assign a guy for a conditioning stint?

A guy like Commie could use that right now, hes played like 3 games all year and say whatever you want, he should get ina few games just to stay a bit in game shape. Than when theres an injury, everyone here who said he shouldnt play will be like "OMG why did we sign this bum blah blah blah" while hes clearly not in shape haha I can see it now.

I agree Kindl has ben playing well, but on second night of back to backs every now and again does it really hurt to scratch a guy for one game who only plays even strength? If that damages his confidence, he shouldnt be an NHLer

[jollymania 162]

wasn't playing physical enough for how mediocre is all-around game was.

[P. Marlowe 748]

The current six defencemen are playing great and I don't want any of them to sit. The team's GAA is 2.21 (5th) and SA/G is 27.5 (2nd) while last season those stats were 2.89 (23rd) and 30.7 (16th).

Of course I also don't like the idea of Commodore coming in cold in case there are injuries. Condition stint in the AHL? EA Sports?

[kipwinger 8,524]

I've been really impressed with Kindl's play so far this year, and I think he keeps getting better as the season progresses. The heads up play he made on the Helm goal a few weeks back really shows what the kid can do, and I think we'll see more of that as his confidence grows. That said, I do feel bad for Commie. He's a good team guy who really wants to play hockey, and I hate to see him sitting out after the way he was approached by Holland in the offseason. But then again, who knew Kindl and Ericsson would be so sold coming into this year?

[brett 1,029]

i was hoping this guy would boost our PK with shot blocking and physical play

[BigWillieStyle 662]

Babcock is, without a doubt, trying to be an obstacle in his career.

Actually, I think that if Commie looked good enough to play, he would be playing some. We don't get to see what goes on in practice, so I'll have to think that Babcock doesn't see him as any more help, than the six that we dress. It also doesn't help that we're trying to bank some points. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Edited December 13, 2011 by BigWillieStyle

[Konnan511 1,736]

Babcock is, without a doubt, trying to be an obstacle in his career.

Actually, I think that if Commie looked good enough to play, he would be playing some. We don't get to see what goes on in practice, so I'll have to think that Babcock doesn't see him as any more help, than the six that we dress. It also doesn't help that we're trying to bank some points. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There were reasons why he couldn't make the pathetic top six of Columbus' defensefense and articles stated it was because of poor work ethic and attitude.

[HankthaTank 1,100]

There were reasons why he couldn't make the pathetic top six of Columbus' defensefense and articles stated it was because of poor work ethic and attitude.

And thine thread shall commence. I think most of us shouldn't have just expected this but flat out known it and foretold this as soon as Red was signed.