Akakabuto 1,748 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 Oh; He’s also supposed to be an awesome pk’er but he doesn’t take face-off’s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, kliq said: Agreed, I don’t think TB has the cap space to re-sign AA to what he likely wants. As for Edmonton, I’m not sure Holland wants to deal with him again after the hold out a few years ago. I’d take that trade though. What do you think Pulijujarvi would want contract wise? No clue. It's not like he'd have much negotiating power though. Still an RFA, and held out this full season. I would think it would be a 1-2 year prove it deal, sub $2M. 33 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: I’ll have to admit I had no idea who Coleman was before this trade and my first reaction was ’holy overpayment!’. Now a lot of people online is telling everybody how this trade was fair and how good he is. Then I look him up and he’s a 28-year old with only two full NHL seasons under his belt and a 36 point season high total. I’m still confused. Coleman is a very good middle six winger. It is overpayment for Tampa, but that's the price you pay if you want to upgrade at the deadline. Prices are high, which is a great thing for the sellers. Unfortunately, we don't have any big pieces, but maybe we could get something decent for Helm, or anything at all for Green, Daley or Howard... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, krsmith17 said: No clue. It's not like he'd have much negotiating power though. Still an RFA, and held out this full season. I would think it would be a 1-2 year prove it deal, sub $2M. Coleman is a very good middle six winger. It is overpayment for Tampa, but that's the price you pay if you want to upgrade at the deadline. Prices are high, which is a great thing for the sellers. Unfortunately, we don't have any big pieces, but maybe we could get something decent for Helm, or anything at all for Green, Daley or Howard... If that’s the case, I’d be fine with it. Hopefully the Wings have someone oversees scouting him. We don’t have any big pieces, but maybe Yzerman can get creative. Find a team looking for a couple players. Maybe packaging guys together (for example trading Green and Helm in the same package) will get us a higher pick then trading them separately. Edited February 17, 2020 by kliq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, kliq said: If that’s the case, I’d be fine with it. Hopefully the Wings have someone oversees scouting him. We don’t have any big pieces, but maybe Yzerman can get creative. Find a team looking for a couple players. Maybe packaging guys together (for example trading Green and Helm in the same pancake) will get us a higher pick then trading them separately. Mmm pancakes... Yeah, a package of players could work, but I'm not sure how many teams will be in the market for, or have the cap space to add a 4th line winger and a 3rd pairing defenseman. Even with 50% retained on Helm and Green, they'd still be looking at over $4.6M for two players that likely don't move the needle a whole lot. Personally, I think Helm may have more value than Green at this point in their careers. Maybe if one of our player's perceived value is a 3rd round pick, we could trade that player along with an early 3rd round pick for a late 1st round pick... That's the kind of trade I'd like to see Yzerman make... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Mmm pancakes... Yeah, a package of players could work, but I'm not sure how many teams will be in the market for, or have the cap space to add a 4th line winger and a 3rd pairing defenseman. Even with 50% retained on Helm and Green, they'd still be looking at over $4.6M for two players that likely don't move the needle a whole lot. Personally, I think Helm may have more value than Green at this point in their careers. Maybe if one of our player's perceived value is a 3rd round pick, we could trade that player along with an early 3rd round pick for a late 1st round pick... That's the kind of trade I'd like to see Yzerman make... I just used those two players as examples. It will be a challenge for sure, I'm just hoping Yzerman explores all options. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, kliq said: If that’s the case, I’d be fine with it. Hopefully the Wings have someone oversees scouting him. We don’t have any big pieces, but maybe Yzerman can get creative. Find a team looking for a couple players. Maybe packaging guys together (for example trading Green and Helm in the same pancake) will get us a higher pick then trading them separately. Wouldn't that be a sam-ich? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Mmm pancakes... Yeah, a package of players could work, but I'm not sure how many teams will be in the market for, or have the cap space to add a 4th line winger and a 3rd pairing defenseman. Even with 50% retained on Helm and Green, they'd still be looking at over $4.6M for two players that likely don't move the needle a whole lot. Personally, I think Helm may have more value than Green at this point in their careers. Maybe if one of our player's perceived value is a 3rd round pick, we could trade that player along with an early 3rd round pick for a late 1st round pick... That's the kind of trade I'd like to see Yzerman make... haha just seeing that now. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,949 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 So Verbeek has been seen a lot in Denver. Winder who he's watching. you wouldn't think that if they were just trading for a pick that he'd be in town watching games. Especially the Asst. GM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: So Verbeek has been seen a lot in Denver. Winder who he's watching. you wouldn't think that if they were just trading for a pick that he'd be in town watching games. Especially the Asst. GM. He may not be there scouting one player in particular, but it does seem like Colorado may be inquiring about Athanasiou. Any time a team shows interest in one of your players, it makes sense to scout that team. They're obviously not giving up any of their top young players, and we're not going to acquire any older players. If we are trading Athanasiou to Colorado, I would hope we get a prospect like Kaut along with a pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: He may not be there scouting one player in particular, but it does seem like Colorado may be inquiring about Athanasiou. Any time a team shows interest in one of your players, it makes sense to scout that team. They're obviously not giving up any of their top young players, and we're not going to acquire any older players. If we are trading Athanasiou to Colorado, I would hope we get a prospect like Kaut along with a pick. Source? https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-where-do-the-colorado-avalanche-go-from-here-1.1444488 Lists Helm and Glendenning as possible (cheaper) Avs targets. But I think it's just speculation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Source? https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-where-do-the-colorado-avalanche-go-from-here-1.1444488 Lists Helm and Glendenning as possible (cheaper) Avs targets. But I think it's just speculation. It's all speculation, including what I said, based on (probably nothing) Verbeek scouting the Aves game. Maybe they are more interested in Helm / Glendening. Who knows... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: It's all speculation, including what I said, based on (probably nothing) Verbeek scouting the Aves game. Maybe they are more interested in Helm / Glendening. Who knows... K. You sounded pretty confident. I thought maybe you had heard this from a reliable source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: K. You sounded pretty confident. I thought maybe you had heard this from a reliable source. I'm not sure how "it does seem", "may be" sounds confident, but nah, no source. Partly speculation, partly wishful thinking... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'm not sure how "it does seem", "may be" sounds confident, but nah, no source. Partly speculation, partly wishful thinking... Well you singled out AA for some reason when other sources are also throwing around other names. You let your wishful thinking/preference dictate your perception of who the Avs might be interested in when in reality there could be 3 or 4 guys that fit the bill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 983 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 We have 2 players in the top 20 ...thought number 20 is pretty interesting 3 Akakabuto, mackel and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: We have 2 players in the top 20 ...thought number 20 is pretty interesting We definitely have the space opening up to eat a bad contract for a year or two. Would be nice to take advantage of that and stack up some more draft picks. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Akakabuto 1,748 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Found no better thread to post this. Pretty funny. 4 amato, AtlantaHotWings, _SP_ and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) On Blake Coleman, when I read the trade last night I honestly thought it was for Blake Comeau I was like alright Blake Comeau is high-end bottom 6 guy (or at least was) and he hits everything that moves and shoots a ton. I can see why Tampa wants him. Then I started realizing no one really knew much about Blake Coleman, which confused me since Blake Comeau has been in the league for a while, and then I realized oh crap Coleman and Comeau are two different people. So I checked Coleman's stats and he hits everything that moves and shoots a ton. And now I'm even more confused. Edited February 18, 2020 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) So, at what point do we start talking about the elephant in the room? Namely, that Leon Draisaitl is the best player in the NHL and it's really not even that close. Dude's got 10 points in the 4 games McDavid has been out of the lineup, basically putting to bed the "well I'd score on McDavid's wing too" narrative AND he plays Selke caliber defense. Edited February 20, 2020 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: So, at what point do we start talking about the elephant in the room? Namely, that Leon Draisaitl is the best player in the NHL and it's really not even that close. Dude's got 10 points in the 4 games McDavid has been out of the lineup, basically putting to bed the "well I'd score on McDavid's wing too" narrative AND he plays Selke caliber defense. Draisaitl is elite, but I wouldn't say he's better than McDavid. The "narrative" you're referring to doesn't apply to elite players. They're going to get points anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 kipwinger and his dumb takes... McDavid is not close to Draisaitl... What a f***ing knob... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Draisaitl is elite, but I wouldn't say he's better than McDavid. The "narrative" you're referring to doesn't apply to elite players. They're going to get points anyway. It's hard to say he's not better in some very key areas than McDavid though. He's better defensively for sure, better face off guy, kills penalties, and scores more goals. McDavid has him in playmaking, and is certainly a better transition player, but it's not obvious to me that McDavid is the better overall player. Reminds me a bit of 2008 Datsyuk vs. 2008 Crosby. Edited February 20, 2020 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, kipwinger said: So, at what point do we start talking about the elephant in the room? Namely, that Leon Draisaitl is the best player in the NHL and it's really not even that close. Dude's got 10 points in the 4 games McDavid has been out of the lineup, basically putting to bed the "well I'd score on McDavid's wing too" narrative AND he plays Selke caliber defense. Let’s or forget the most important thing, that being that he is carrying my fantasy team towards a first round bye! Kidding aside, id agree with the idea he is the second best player in the league, but I can’t call him better then McDavid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: kipwinger and his dumb takes... McDavid is not close to Draisaitl... What a f***ing knob... You simmer down now b4 I crack muh whip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
