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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:28 AM

I personally feel like they keep winning because they got The f***in' All-Star...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rcXI1fHZhc


And All-Stars don't cook, but...

What other reasons explain their success? And are they for real?



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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:57 AM

Minnesota has historically been good defensively and most of that has been with great goaltending tandems. This year they have a few more offensive weapons available and it shows with their record.

Both of those things combined with consistent play at home and on the road will lead to points. The main test will come after the AS game and trade deadline during the final stretch to the playoffs when everyone has settled their lineups. If they can continue with their consistency then they can make the playoffs. After that, like every other team, it will be up to goaltending and depth in the lineup.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:01 AM

As of right now they are. Went home to Californina last week and talking with my dad and brother(they are massive Sharks fans) told me they think San Jose got screwed in the Burns deal. Right now it's looking that way lol.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:11 AM

No. I say that without any hesitation because they are currently #26 in the league in GFA. A team that doesn't score isn't going to go very far. They also have played more games than the Wings and have more shootout and loser points. Despite playing 2 games more than the Wings, their ROW is 3 less than the Wings. That's a 5 game swing in ROW out of only 30 or so games played.

Sure they are great defensively but they are 29th worst in the league in Shots against/game.

So they are poor in offense and give up tons of shots. They are depending totally on goaltending and have gotten 4 "extra" points for shootout wins plus they have played more games.

You have to look beyond the headlines especially in a league that gives points for losing as well as extra points for a skills competition if the game is tied.

As far as Danny Heatley, he has 22 points in 33 games. That's not exactly great.

Minnesota has historically been good defensively and most of that has been with great goaltending tandems. This year they have a few more offensive weapons available and it shows with their record.

Both of those things combined with consistent play at home and on the road will lead to points. The main test will come after the AS game and trade deadline during the final stretch to the playoffs when everyone has settled their lineups. If they can continue with their consistency then they can make the playoffs. After that, like every other team, it will be up to goaltending and depth in the lineup.


Uh. Sorry but No. They are near the bottom of the league in scoring.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:15 AM

I always point to the Rangers back five or six years ago. They dominated in the first half and then totally collapsed. Minnesota will eventually grind to a halt as competition gets stiffer.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 12:15 PM

I don't buy them as a serious threat to win the West, but I think a playoff spot is definitely likely. They play in a horrible division. The only other team in the Northwest that is any competition to the Wild are the Canucks.

Have to give them credit so far, though. They play a very boring style of game, but it has been effective. Solid defense and very strong goaltending.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 12:39 PM

Heatley has scored like 5 goals in his last 30 playoffs games or something.

They have a no-name defense.

They've never done squat in the playoffs.

I don't think they're a threat to the top teams in the West. And it would be a disaster to the NHL if this boring ass team was a threat and somehow made the Finals.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 12:54 PM

Another team with a fluke record a la s***cago. They don't score and their defense is not as good as ours (they've given up more goals than we have)....not sure how they got that record.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:25 PM

They must just have a lucky streak going. It will eventually pass.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:37 PM

They must just have a lucky streak going. It will eventually pass.


They may not sustain this level of winning, but I think over two months of playing well is more than just a lucky streak. Their division is definitely weak, but they did beat the Red Wings twice within a couple days and only lost in OT the other meeting.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:46 PM

They may not sustain this level of winning, but I think over two months of playing well is more than just a lucky streak. Their division is definitely weak, but they did beat the Red Wings twice within a couple days and only lost in OT the other meeting.


2 games doesn't mean anything. The standings are artificial because of the shootouts and loser points. If you take away the loser points (OT and shootout loses) and the extra point for winning in a shootout (the game should end in a tie after OT with 1 point to each team), the Wild have 39 points in 33 games which is a .591 percentage. Not bad but not so impressive. Incidently, the Wings are at .629

My point is that they aren't doing that great now. It's all part of Bettman's smoke and mirrors...
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:59 PM

Their recent spate of injuries might just reel them back in a bit.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 08:00 PM

2 games doesn't mean anything. The standings are artificial because of the shootouts and loser points. If you take away the loser points (OT and shootout loses) and the extra point for winning in a shootout (the game should end in a tie after OT with 1 point to each team), the Wild have 39 points in 33 games which is a .591 percentage. Not bad but not so impressive. Incidently, the Wings are at .629

My point is that they aren't doing that great now. It's all part of Bettman's smoke and mirrors...


You can hate the point system all you want, but it doesn't change the results. Head-to-head does mean something considering the Wild have picked up 5 of a possible 6 points against the Red Wings so far.

The Wild are sitting near the top of the conference. Using your own formulas doesn't change that. If the Wild aren't doing that great, then no one in the NHL is either. I even stated I don't think they will keep their current pace, but as of now it's hard to say they haven't been impressive.
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 08:56 PM

No credit to Yeo? Seems like it's really true that there is no actual coaching culture in the NHL and everything is just measuring player's point totals and seeing which team has the best star players.

Coaching has a pretty big part in the game of hockey as well, you know.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:10 PM

You can hate the point system all you want, but it doesn't change the results. Head-to-head does mean something considering the Wild have picked up 5 of a possible 6 points against the Red Wings so far.

The Wild are sitting near the top of the conference. Using your own formulas doesn't change that. If the Wild aren't doing that great, then no one in the NHL is either. I even stated I don't think they will keep their current pace, but as of now it's hard to say they haven't been impressive.


My point is that though they may currently be near the top of the conference, it is only smoke and mirrors. By the end of the year, the shootouts and loser points will even out. The shootouts and extra points are spread almost evenly among the teams by the time they play 82 games. Right now Minnesota is on the positive side of that and it makes it look like they are a better team than they are.

And no head-to-head games in the regular season mean nothing in the playoffs. Minnesota is not a better team than the Wings, not by a long shot but yes, they beat us. It doesn't prove anything except that they beat us.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:08 PM

It seems like they should come down to earth eventually. They're leading goal scorer is Brodziak, who has a career high in goals of 16 (he has 11 so far this season).
Heatley is doing as expected, but he's not much of a playoff performer for the money, unless he's got a chip on his shoulder from being ditched by the Sharks.

It seems like being toward the bottom of the league in goals for and having a mediocre power play will catch up with them eventually.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:31 PM

2 games doesn't mean anything. The standings are artificial because of the shootouts and loser points. If you take away the loser points (OT and shootout loses) and the extra point for winning in a shootout (the game should end in a tie after OT with 1 point to each team), the Wild have 39 points in 33 games which is a .591 percentage. Not bad but not so impressive. Incidently, the Wings are at .629

My point is that they aren't doing that great now. It's all part of Bettman's smoke and mirrors...


Please explain this. I am so tired of hearing about this Bettman conspiracy to ruin this game that I could puke. Further, what on earth does Gary Bettman (or Sid Crosby -- kidding!) have to do with MN's success? If someone could please direct me to data that ties Gary Bettman to MN winning a bunch of games, I'd love to read it. Seriously, I'd eat that s*** up. Until then, hats off to the WIld for exceeding expectations.

Go Wild, unless you're playing the Wings.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:45 PM

Heatley is doing as expected, but he's not much of a playoff performer for the money, unless he's got a chip on his shoulder from being ditched by the Sharks.


"Yeah. f***, you know-Whatever f***. I'm Dany f***in' Heatley and I'm sittin' here, I'm the f***in' all-star and I deliver in the f***in' playoffs better than anybody. You don't know what the f*** you're talking about. I mean, f***, you a f***in' all-star?-I didn't f***in' think so. Shut the f*** up with your non-all-star opinion there talking but me ditched by the f***in' Sharks that's totally not how it f***in' happened. I'm the all-star - I f***in' made the trade demand you little *****."

Go Wild, unless you're playing the Wings.


I don't know if I particularly like the Wild enough to hope they win when they don't play the Wings. Although I can't wait for Granlund to make the move to NA. It'd be cool to see Koivu and Granlund lead the Wild top six.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 10:56 PM

Another team with a fluke record a la s***cago.

the wings have been looking up at chicago all season long and that doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

yeah, real "fluke", those hawks. LOL

Helm is a perennial Selke candidate

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:37 PM

Lets just hope the Wild suck next season when they play in the same conference as the Wings. Let them overachieve this season and get bounced in the playoffs and then let them fall out of the playoffs next year.





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