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[WorkingOvertime]

http://video.nhl.com...nsole?id=146497

Three game suspension for Cole.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

Good. Definitely suspension worthy whether he intended to hit Abs in the head or not.

[stevkrause]

Good. Definitely suspension worthy whether he intended to hit Abs in the head or not.

They got this one right

[ami]

this little ***** deserve 4 games, 3 for Abs and one for cheap shot cross checking Dats well after the whistle.

[IllinoisRedWingsFan]

Good! He deserved at least 3 maybe 4.

[newfy]

I was guessing a couple so this doesnt bother me. Shanny got it right

[WingZNut13]

Very thorough video and explanation. Shanny got this one right....I think 3 games is just where it needed to be.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

Meh, I guess.

[Kira]

Works for me.

[55fan]

I love the new video explanations. It's good to hear whether it was intentional or not, and what the other player had to say about it, as well as being provided with the reasoning.

Even if you disagree, at least you know specifically what it is that you're disagreeing with.

I'm cool with this one.

[cprice12]

If that is suspension worthy, then Datsyuk should have been suspended for his targeted hit to the head on Jackman.

Personally, I don't think either are suspension worthy on their own...but if Shanny deemed Cole's hit suspension worthy, then so was Datsyuk's. Both were shoulders that targeted the head. End of story.

Both Cole and Datsyuk's hits will never be taken out of the game. The game is far too fast and it is a rough, contact sport. These kinds of hits will always happen in the heat of the moment during play as players move at the last second when a check is coming and a shoulder hits a head.

The only way these hits can be taken out of the game is if they slow the game down by allowing clutching and grabbing, bring back the two line offsides pass, etc.

I understand the need to protect players from concussions, but I can't see these hits going away even with suspensions looming, because they aren't preventable with how the game is played now.

[rrasco]

If that is suspension worthy, then Datsyuk should have been suspended for his targeted hit to the head on Jackman.

Personally, I don't think either are suspension worthy on their own...but if Shanny deemed Cole's hit suspension worthy, then so was Datsyuk's. Both were shoulders that targeted the head. End of story.

You heard it boys, end of story.

[esteef]

Jackman had his head down, end of story.

esteef

[WorkingOvertime]

If that is suspension worthy, then Datsyuk should have been suspended for his targeted hit to the head on Jackman.

Personally, I don't think either are suspension worthy on their own...but if Shanny deemed Cole's hit suspension worthy, then so was Datsyuk's. Both were shoulders that targeted the head. End of story.

Both Cole and Datsyuk's hits will never be taken out of the game. The game is far too fast and it is a rough, contact sport. These kinds of hits will always happen in the heat of the moment during play as players move at the last second when a check is coming and a shoulder hits a head.

The only way these hits can be taken out of the game is if they slow the game down by allowing clutching and grabbing, bring back the two line offsides pass, etc.

I understand the need to protect players from concussions, but I can't see these hits going away even with suspensions looming, because they aren't preventable with how the game is played now.

No.

Dats got both the head and the body. Cole did not. This is a very important detail when supplemental disciple is applied. The Dats play is a 2 min minor (much like the Jackman cross-checks before the hit), and the Cole play is a suspension. Watch the NHL videos on suspendable/non-suspendable hits and you will see this differentiation.

Edited by WorkingOvertime, 02 January 2012 - 01:09 PM.

[cprice12]

Jackman had his head down, end of story.

esteef

Abdelkader had his head down as well.

[haroldsnepsts]

Abdelkader had his head down as well.

Yes but the hit on Abby the head was the principal (and pretty much only) point of contact.

I think that's the biggest difference resulting in the suspension. Though honestly 3 games seems a bit stiff. That's more like the standard Shanny was using in the preseason and early season. I was expecting 1-2 games.

[vladdy16]

Harold is correct - difference between the two hits is Cole hit the head and the head only; Pavel hit Jackman from the chest through to the head. During the game I thought Datsyuk should have received a penalty, but having re-watched the video over and over again, it was a clean hit. I don't see how the refs made that determination during the game, though. It looked like it was a hit to the head from the original televised angle.
3 games is 1 too many for Cole.

[hillbillywingsfan]

Harold is correct - difference between the two hits is Cole hit the head and the head only; Pavel hit Jackman from the chest through to the head. During the game I thought Datsyuk should have received a penalty, but having re-watched the video over and over again, it was a clean hit. I don't see how the refs made that determination during the game, though. It looked like it was a hit to the head from the original televised angle.
3 games is 1 too many for Cole.

Yea but comparing the smith hit/suspension....not sure i agree that it was 1 to many. I think it was just right. Cole should have went a little lower and we wouldn't be having this thread. Abby didn't try and duck out of the way or anything so we can;t say that he moved into it. cole had plenty of time to hit lower.

Edited by hillbillywingsfan, 02 January 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[Doc Holliday]

Abdelkader had his head down as well.

Then how did Cole miss HIS ENTIRE BODY?

[cprice12]

No.

Dats got both the head and the body. Cole did not. This is a very important detail when supplemental disciple is applied. The Dats play is a 2 min minor (much like the Jackman cross-checks before the hit), and the Cole play is a suspension. Watch the NHL videos on suspendable/non-suspendable hits and you will see this differentiation.

According to Cole, he had Abdelkader lined up but Abdelkader moved at the last moment, exposing only his head to the check.
Those are Cole's words...and the replays back that up as it looks like Abdelkader tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him.
That should also be an important detail when discipline is applied. Which brings me back to my statement of the game being too fast to eliminate those types of hits, which is the goal by using suspensions against players who commit those hits. Players need to be aware of where they are on the ice. Abdelkader had his head down as he received a pass from behind in the neutral zone. He has to expect a hit there, like Shanny said. That's a suicide pass.

But whatever, I don't have a problem Cole being suspended as it was a hit to the head and that is the rule...I do have an issue with the number of games. Three seems excessive based on other suspensions this year for the same amount of games or less.

And until there is the same standard for suspensions on star players as there is for lesser known players, the system is severely flawed. The fact it was Datsyuk (annual Lady Byng candidate and superstar player) that threw the hit had a lot to do with him not getting a penalty and not getting a suspension. If Jackman hits Datsyuk like that, he gets a penalty and probably suspended.

And don't tell me that an elbow or shoulder to the head is ok as long as you get the body too. That's simply not the case. If the head targeted and the principal point of contact, it doesn't matter if contact with the body is made. Datsyuk lunged up into Jackman's face, hitting his head with his shoulder. I fail to see how Jackman's head wasn't targeted on that play. The Detroit announcers even said he threw a shoulder to his head.

Then how did Cole miss HIS ENTIRE BODY?

He had his head down, but picks up Cole at the last second as he tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him. That's how it looks to me.
If not, what was he trying to do with the puck if he never saw Cole?