Open Season on Ducks

[VM1138 1,921]

People need to take Franzen off the trading block. I know even I had a glimmer of a thought about trading him early in the season, but he's having a good year so far and he's still clutch (half his goals are game winners). Plus, his proven playoff performance means he stays. As the year progresses there are fewer and fewer players worth trading. Stuart is having a good year, and our defense is so good right now Holland won't want to mess with that.

So it'd have to be a forward or pick trade. And nobody wants the forwards we could spare, at least not for a great player in exchange.

Unless he can find a team who needs to rebuild and can offer just picks for a player.

And let me point out that Franzen is having a better year than Perry. Perry is not some amazing player who will change this team. He's good, but not the player the Wings need.

Edited January 6, 2012 by VM1138

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I'm not sold on Getzlaf as something this team would seriously improve on. If we got rid of Franzen we would still need a guy who is a threat to score goals.

Perry is a bonafide goal scorer and can definitely bring something huge to the team if we trade a core player. I don't care if he is a ******. He can be our ******. And I'll even trade my Franzen shirts for Perry shirts if we make a trade with the two involved.

Gowings: Datsyuk and Zetterberg shouldn't be tried again. They don't mesh the same way they did in 08 and 09, and I think it hurts the team to force them back together for the sake of acquired players.

I pretty much agree with that too. I think they are better off apart especially with Filppula's emergence at wing, but they almost have to stay separated too now out of necessity. The depth at center (or lack of) pretty much means D & Z have to center their own lines, where adding Getzlaf definitely eliminates that need. Maybe Z could find some of that goal-scoring touch again playing with Pavel for an extended time.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

People need to take Franzen off the trading block. I know even I had a glimmer of a thought about trading him early in the season, but he's having a good year so far and he's still clutch (half his goals are game winners). Plus, his proven playoff performance means he stays. As the year progresses there are fewer and fewer players worth trading. Stuart is having a good year, and our defense is so good right now Holland won't want to mess with that.

So it'd have to be a forward or pick trade. And nobody wants the forwards we could spare, at least not for a great player in exchange.

Unless he can find a team who needs to rebuild and can offer just picks for a player.

And let me point out that Franzen is having a better year than Perry. Perry is not some amazing player who will change this team. He's good, but not the player the Wings need.

I agree with you for this year. However, this team may be hindered in ~6 years by Mule's contract. IMO Mule is being offered here because of the length of his contract.

Ryan is 24 and Mule's best season had 2 more points in 7 more games than Ryan's worst season. Perry is 26 and has a higher PPG than Mule.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

You should be shot for suggesting that that ginormous douchebag ever put on a Red Wings jersey.

The fact that he's a dip!@#$ weasel disqualifies him from Ken Holland's consideration anyway.

So you're suggesting that we trade a player whose play you dislike for another whose play you will similarly dislike. Your own sarcasm is working against you.

By the way, Franzen currently has 33 points and is a +20. Getzlaf? 25 points (a whopping six goals--what, exactly, would we do with another playmaking center?) and a -19. Getzlaf is playing with some very talented hockey players. The team he's on isn't going to make all the difference.

And Anaheim will want Tatar--an unproven scorer--and Stuart--on the last year of his contract--why? By the way, Stuart sold his house in San Jose.

And... we want Perry WHY?

You can't figure out why the Red Wings could benefit from having a guy who scored 50 goals last season (Franzens best is 34), is good for 70+ points even if he doesn't score 50 again (Franzens best is 59 points), is a big body not afraid to go to the net, performs well in the playoffs, and is a pain in the ass to play against?

I hate Perry, but he would make the Wings a better team. I know that for Mule it's all about the playoffs, and I'm not saying I'd swap him for Perry. It's easy to sit back and crap all over ideas people suggest, but this one is not as insane as you make it out to be.

I guarantee you that Ken Holland would not trade for him. When has Ken Holland ever signed a player of Perry's character?

I disagree with your examples, as none of them are d-bag weasels of Corey Perry magnitude.

You're right. They were all much bigger douchebags than Perry. Chelios and Samuellsson were much dirtier players than anything Perry has ever done. Perry doesn't even reach the level of Pronger. And Bert's not a dirty player overall, but he did end a player's career. You can also add to the list Dino Ciccarelli, and probably a few others I'm not thinking of right now.

Perry's a d-bag because most of his antics are stuff like what Maltby used to do. Take little cheapshots and hide behind the ref. But he's an extremely talented player who has a ton of upside.

Getzlaf I wouldn't be so excited about. I've liked elements of his play and he's often a Wings killer, but from what I've heard overall from Ducks fans, they're unhappy with his effort on a nightly basis.

Edited January 6, 2012 by haroldsnepsts

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

People need to take Franzen off the trading block. I know even I had a glimmer of a thought about trading him early in the season, but he's having a good year so far and he's still clutch (half his goals are game winners). Plus, his proven playoff performance means he stays. As the year progresses there are fewer and fewer players worth trading. Stuart is having a good year, and our defense is so good right now Holland won't want to mess with that.

So it'd have to be a forward or pick trade. And nobody wants the forwards we could spare, at least not for a great player in exchange.

Unless he can find a team who needs to rebuild and can offer just picks for a player.

And let me point out that Franzen is having a better year than Perry. Perry is not some amazing player who will change this team. He's good, but not the player the Wings need.

Franzen has 16 goals and 17 assists in 39 games on a very good Wings team.

Perry has 15 goals and 15 assists in 38 games on a pretty awful Ducks team.

I think saying Franzen is having a better year is a stretch.

Selanne would be perfect, but there's no way he's coming here. Sounds like he wants to end his career with the Ducks, has a NMC, and seems to have a healthy dislike for Detroit. The Ducks were dangling Ryan earlier in the season, so maybe they'll start shopping him again.

Edited January 6, 2012 by haroldsnepsts

[WorkingOvertime 536]

IMO Ryan is more likely than Perry because of Perry's season last year (Perry will command more). Ryan has scored 30+ goals in all of his full NHL seasons.

Edited January 6, 2012 by WorkingOvertime

[VM1138 1,921]

Franzen has 16 goals and 17 assists in 39 games on a very good Wings team.

Perry has 15 goals and 15 assists in 38 games on a pretty awful Ducks team.

I think saying Franzen is having a better year is a stretch.

Selanne would be perfect, but there's no way he's coming here. Sounds like he wants to end his career with the Ducks, has a NMC, and seems to have a healthy dislike for Detroit. The Ducks were dangling Ryan earlier in the season, so maybe they'll start shopping him again.

I see your point, but Perry just seems to be a flash in the pan to me. Wasn't it Cheechoo who scored 50, too? And I'm not saying Franzen is light years better than Perry, but Franzen has rarely had a healthy season. Perry has had three good seasons. Since Franzen turned into the guy we all know in 2008, he had a 59 point season, and then after that the only close to full season he had was 2010, when the team was decimated with injuries and everybody struggled. Now that he's having a healthy season he's almost a point per game player, he should easily top is 55ish point plateau. I'm just saying that when everything is taken into consideration, it's not as clear cut as some here say it is.

[LeftWinger 4,934]

People need to take Franzen off the trading block. I know even I had a glimmer of a thought about trading him early in the season, but he's having a good year so far and he's still clutch (half his goals are game winners). Plus, his proven playoff performance means he stays. As the year progresses there are fewer and fewer players worth trading. Stuart is having a good year, and our defense is so good right now Holland won't want to mess with that.

So it'd have to be a forward or pick trade. And nobody wants the forwards we could spare, at least not for a great player in exchange.

Unless he can find a team who needs to rebuild and can offer just picks for a player.

And let me point out that Franzen is having a better year than Perry. Perry is not some amazing player who will change this team. He's good, but not the player the Wings need.

So if Anaheim says they'll give you Perry (or Getzlaf) in exchange for Franzen, you're not buying?

If so, you are crazy. IF I am Holland, I am seeing what it'll take to get one of Getzlaf/Perry or Ryan along with Selanne for the Cup run... But that is just me, a 41 year old rental who scores when he wants and Perry the reigning Hart trophy winner. Getting rid of Franzen, Hudler and a couple of prospects and picks would be well worth they return. Especially if you can keep Perry around long term...

[ami 273]

I'm trying to avoid this thread as reading it makes me feel like i'm going to throw...

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I see your point, but Perry just seems to be a flash in the pan to me. Wasn't it Cheechoo who scored 50, too? And I'm not saying Franzen is light years better than Perry, but Franzen has rarely had a healthy season. Perry has had three good seasons. Since Franzen turned into the guy we all know in 2008, he had a 59 point season, and then after that the only close to full season he had was 2010, when the team was decimated with injuries and everybody struggled. Now that he's having a healthy season he's almost a point per game player, he should easily top is 55ish point plateau. I'm just saying that when everything is taken into consideration, it's not as clear cut as some here say it is.

Franzen has really only had a couple good regular seasons and three great playoffs, and is injury prone. Perry has put up 54, 72, 76 and 98 point seasons. He basically had the Ducks strapped to his back the second half of last year. I'd be surprised if he were a flash in the pan.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree it's certainly not a no-brainer. It would be a very bold trade. But it's a pretty interesting idea.

Edited January 6, 2012 by haroldsnepsts

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I'm trying to avoid this thread as reading it makes me feel like i'm going to throw...

a ninja star?

[LeftWinger 4,934]

Franzen, Hudler, Kindl, Andresson, Ferraro, McCollum, Nestrasil, ANY of our D prospects. You just cannot pass on Perry or Getzlaf. I would acquire them both if I could. Ya, now I am dreaming in EA Sports land, but those two on Detroit would make us almost instant favorites, and face it, with the improvements Chicago and San Jose has done this year, Detroit needs to step it up and this would be a great move.

We have the Cap space for both, they are signed through next season. The Wings are over their head deep in great prospects and could easily afford to give up a few of them. McCollum is NOT going to be backup to Howard, he is going to want to be a starter in the NHL and will probably leave as a Free Agent before Howard is ready to give up the #1 spot, so you could easily trade McCollum especially with how good Mrazek is playing. Next season you will be shopping or a #1 defenseman, not another #7 so Kindl and the rest of the prospects are fair game. You could go down the list of top 25 prospects in our organization and chose three or four that you could really live without, so if losing Franzen & Hudler and prospects in exchange for Getzlaf and Perry, I am doing it. You have to ask yourself, if this trade were in the works, which Detroit team has a better chance to compete with Chicago/San Jose and actually win the Cup this year or next, the one with Franzen/Hudler on it, or the one with Getzlaf/Perry? Holland made a mistake in 2009 by letting Hudler handcuff him by coming back and re-signing Franzen. He lost Hossa who said he wanted to stay and would take considerably less to do so. Here is Holland chance to make ammends on that mistake, get rid of Franzen & Hudler and make his team much better and tougher to play against in the form of Getzlaf and Perry. That is a blockbuster trade that will workout for both teams. PLUS it allows Holland to just focus on replacing Lidstrom next year instead of trying to find that power forward and sniper along with a #1 defender.

I know it is hard to say goodbye to homegrown talent. Guys who have grown up in our system, but in the end, it's all about the crest on the front of the sweater. I hope Holland doesn't make the same mistakes he made in 2009 by passing on better players to keep Franzen & Hudler...

EDIT: Also, ask yourself this, who you rather have these two or would you rather see Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver or worse yet Pitt or Toronto or Boston get one or both of them? If that happens then you not only lose out on acquiring two great players, but you also take two steps back from being on par with the elite teams in the NHL.

Edited January 6, 2012 by LeftWinger

[SiLkK19 67]

I'd like to see a franzen plus hudler and a pick or something for perry.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

Didn't Perry win the Hart Trophy last year?

How many of those will Franzen win anytime soon?

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Didn't Perry win the Hart Trophy last year?

How many of those will Franzen win anytime soon?

If the season was approximately 7 games, he might have a shot.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Bobby Ryan or Ryan Getzlaf please.

Thank you.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

It's too bad a show like 24/7 isn't following a team like the Ducks.

I'd love to see what a nightmare such a lockerroom must be right now.

[Guest Crymson]

So if Anaheim says they'll give you Perry (or Getzlaf) in exchange for Franzen, you're not buying?

Not a chance would I do so for Getzlaf. What don't you understand about us not needing another playmaking center? Getzlaf is not a goal-scorer. We'd be giving up our best pure goal-scorer for yet another playmaker. How would this be of use to us?

Getzlaf puts up a lot of assists because he plays with Ryan and Perry, two pure goal-scorers. To whom would he pass on the Wings?

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

I'd like to see a franzen plus hudler and a pick or something for perry.

I would too but I doubt that EA NHL 2011 wouldn't even do it.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

perry or ryan would make the most sense. I'd be willing to give up a lot for one of them. don't forget that ryan can play center and both guys shoot right. getz just isn't the scorer we truly need but of course i'd be happy to have him anyways - guess we could move Z back with Dats.

[Casey 145]

Why do people keep saying Detroit needs scoring?

We're third in goals for. Third.

Point percentage, fourth. Goals against, fifth. Sixth on the power play. Third in shots for, third fewest shots against.

The only worrisome ones are faceoff percentage -ninth- and penalty kill, twentieth.

Find a solid PK guy or 1B goalie, sure, but I fail to see the need to keep fixing an offense that simply isn't broken.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Why do people keep saying Detroit needs scoring?

We're third in goals for. Third.

Point percentage, fourth. Goals against, fifth. Sixth on the power play. Third in shots for, third fewest shots against.

The only worrisome ones are faceoff percentage -ninth- and penalty kill, twentieth.

Find a solid PK guy or 1B goalie, sure, but I fail to see the need to keep fixing an offense that simply isn't broken.

well franzen isn't getting any younger or less injury prone so it would be nice to have reliable scoring. his contract isn't that great either for the future. also i'd like to mention that detroit is highest in the league in dman scoring so the total goals for has a lot to do with our d corps. forward corps could use some more work imo. we have eaves who has only played 10 games for the pk guy you talk about and a guy like nabby at the deadline would solve the goalie issue.

[Nev 1,085]

Franzen was OK until he took an arrow to the knee (sorry, couldn't resist )

Edited January 7, 2012 by Nev

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Franzen was OK until he took an arrow to the knee (sorry, couldn't resist )

I lol'd.

[Buppy 1,720]

Franzen, Hudler, Kindl, Andresson, Ferraro, McCollum, Nestrasil, ANY of our D prospects. You just cannot pass on Perry or Getzlaf. I would acquire them both if I could. Ya, now I am dreaming in EA Sports land, but those two on Detroit would make us almost instant favorites, and face it, with the improvements Chicago and San Jose has done this year, Detroit needs to step it up and this would be a great move.

... Holland made a mistake in 2009 by letting Hudler handcuff him by coming back and re-signing Franzen. He lost Hossa who said he wanted to stay and would take considerably less to do so. Here is Holland chance to make ammends on that mistake, get rid of Franzen & Hudler and make his team much better and tougher to play against in the form of Getzlaf and Perry. That is a blockbuster trade that will workout for both teams. PLUS it allows Holland to just focus on replacing Lidstrom next year instead of trying to find that power forward and sniper along with a #1 defender.

I know it is hard to say goodbye to homegrown talent. Guys who have grown up in our system, but in the end, it's all about the crest on the front of the sweater. I hope Holland doesn't make the same mistakes he made in 2009 by passing on better players to keep Franzen & Hudler...

So basically, you've already convinced yourself that the Ducks are actually offering this, so you're going to hate Holland for "rejecting" your fantasy.

In realityland, Franzen, Hudler, and most of our best prospects (not the lower prospects you list) isn't likely to get you even one of Getz or Perry. They are two of the better young players in the game; you are not going to get them for a 2nd-tier forward nearing the end of his prime, a 3rd-tier forward who's useless when not scoring, and a bunch of prospects who may or may not be anything in the NHL.

You want both? It probably starts with Datsyuk.

Not a chance would I do so for Getzlaf. What don't you understand about us not needing another playmaking center? Getzlaf is not a goal-scorer. We'd be giving up our best pure goal-scorer for yet another playmaker. How would this be of use to us?

Getzlaf puts up a lot of assists because he plays with Ryan and Perry, two pure goal-scorers. To whom would he pass on the Wings?

Straight up Franzen for Getzlaf you'd have to be retarded to say no. You move other guys to get back the goal scoring. Of course, it's so unbalanced it would never happen anyway, so...