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#21 Zion

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

Seriously, guys... being stationed in Europe (and across the US) has shown me just how BAD Americans look on the world stage.

That said, I LOVE my fellow Red Wings Nation. Most of us are just like the Wings, quiet, classy and oozing confidence. I see the occasional drunk fool taunting the home team (I was in Buffalo), but most of us, like our Wings, are truly the CLASS OF THE NHL!!!
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:45 PM

Seriously, guys... being stationed in Europe (and across the US) has shown me just how BAD Americans look on the world stage.

That said, I LOVE my fellow Red Wings Nation. Most of us are just like the Wings, quiet, classy and oozing confidence. I see the occasional drunk fool taunting the home team (I was in Buffalo), but most of us, like our Wings, are truly the CLASS OF THE NHL!!!


What's wrong with taunting the home team? You don't have to be disorderly to rib them.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:11 PM

it would have been sad if the Rangers fan got to lick the *** and then beat the hell out of the boyfriend...


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:56 PM

Get over yourself. I've been going to Wings-Flyers games in Philly as a Wings fan for 3 decades now. No issues (to include the 97 SCF games…). I didn't act like a ****** bag, I got treated like a hockey fan. Not to say there aren't d-bag Philly fans, but there are d-bag fans in every town with a team. Lots (but not all) of the stories about how horrible Philly fans are are exaggerated or completely fabricated because it's cool to tell a story about d-bag Philly fans. But no, one dude beats the crap out of somebody = all sports fans in a city of 1.5 million are horrible human beings…


You really think I'm basing my judgment on one event? Have you missed the last 40 years where Philly has more than earned the reputation as a hive of terrible sports fans? In every sport? Yeah, there are bad guys everywhere, but show me another town that CONSISTENTLY shows disgusting levels of violence and disrespect as Philly. Even Ken Dryden in his 1983 book recognized Philly as the worst sports fans. They had that reputation ALREADY back in the early 80s. They've earned it.

And, for the record, anecdotal evidence of your personal experience does not trump evidence gathered by news media for the greater part of 40 years. I hate that kind of defense. "Well I've never seen anything bad, therefore it must not be bad." I've never been shot or raped in Detroit but it happens.

And, just to put icing on the cake: recently a women was hit by THREE cars in Philly, they all drove off instead of stopping.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 08:37 AM

You really think I'm basing my judgment on one event? Have you missed the last 40 years where Philly has more than earned the reputation as a hive of terrible sports fans? In every sport? Yeah, there are bad guys everywhere, but show me another town that CONSISTENTLY shows disgusting levels of violence and disrespect as Philly. Even Ken Dryden in his 1983 book recognized Philly as the worst sports fans. They had that reputation ALREADY back in the early 80s. They've earned it.

And, for the record, anecdotal evidence of your personal experience does not trump evidence gathered by news media for the greater part of 40 years. I hate that kind of defense. "Well I've never seen anything bad, therefore it must not be bad." I've never been shot or raped in Detroit but it happens.

And, just to put icing on the cake: recently a women was hit by THREE cars in Philly, they all drove off instead of stopping.

I never said you were basing anything off of one event. I'm not sure how you came to that point, but whatever, that's you, not me.

I have not missed what the media has been saying about Philly sports fans, which is why I also said

Lots (but not all) of the stories about how horrible Philly fans are are exaggerated or completely fabricated because it's cool to tell a story about d-bag Philly fans

. I stand behind that. It's like the booing Santa story. No one seems to understand the actual story, and more importantly, the context of the events. But, it's used, incorrectly, as proof that Philly has horrible fans. Again, I know there have been many instances where Philly fans acted poorly, the whole J D Drew thing, and appluading when Michael Irvin was injured coem to mind immediately, but I still argue that it's abotu the same as any city. Chicago had a father and son run on the field to attack a coach. Yet, there's no running meme about Chicago fans. I find it revealing that you are willing to discount 30 years of being an away fan at Philly games, to include playoff game the home team lost, but will use a book (a form of media) as evidence… and complain that my multiple experiences are a poor defense… while parroting the line media puts out there to have something to talk about. It's interesting circular logic, it's just not correct. It's sad that you will regurgitate what the media says without any firsthand experience (wait, you *have* gone to at least one game in Philly, right…?), while discounting the hundreds of times I have attended a sporting event in Philly wearing the jersey of a Detroit team with zero incidents. And I assure you, I am a vocal fan. But hey, Dryden says something, and ESPN agrees, so it's a fact.

I'm glad you feel that "a women" being subject to being hit by a car is icing on some sort of cake, but there's illegal activity in every city and town in the world. That hardly means the fans in that city or town are bad. Even if it happened in the parking lot of a sporting event, it shows you, at the worse, that three people are jackasses whose feeling of self-importance trump their desire to function responsibily in society. Wow, such damning evidence. Three people are assholes. Yep, the entire fanbase of the city is horrible. Hope you enjoy that cake.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:59 AM

I never said you were basing anything off of one event. I'm not sure how you came to that point, but whatever, that's you, not me.

I have not missed what the media has been saying about Philly sports fans, which is why I also said . I stand behind that. It's like the booing Santa story. No one seems to understand the actual story, and more importantly, the context of the events. But, it's used, incorrectly, as proof that Philly has horrible fans. Again, I know there have been many instances where Philly fans acted poorly, the whole J D Drew thing, and appluading when Michael Irvin was injured coem to mind immediately, but I still argue that it's abotu the same as any city. Chicago had a father and son run on the field to attack a coach. Yet, there's no running meme about Chicago fans. I find it revealing that you are willing to discount 30 years of being an away fan at Philly games, to include playoff game the home team lost, but will use a book (a form of media) as evidence… and complain that my multiple experiences are a poor defense… while parroting the line media puts out there to have something to talk about. It's interesting circular logic, it's just not correct. It's sad that you will regurgitate what the media says without any firsthand experience (wait, you *have* gone to at least one game in Philly, right…?), while discounting the hundreds of times I have attended a sporting event in Philly wearing the jersey of a Detroit team with zero incidents. And I assure you, I am a vocal fan. But hey, Dryden says something, and ESPN agrees, so it's a fact.

I'm glad you feel that "a women" being subject to being hit by a car is icing on some sort of cake, but there's illegal activity in every city and town in the world. That hardly means the fans in that city or town are bad. Even if it happened in the parking lot of a sporting event, it shows you, at the worse, that three people are jackasses whose feeling of self-importance trump their desire to function responsibily in society. Wow, such damning evidence. Three people are assholes. Yep, the entire fanbase of the city is horrible. Hope you enjoy that cake.


Well, I'm an historian. I don't discount factual evidence. Again, you've used individual examples like they are stand-alone instances. When they create a pattern, you can't just ignore that. And like you cited with the incident with Chicago, that was one incident, not a multiple decade long string of embarrassing events. And why would the media exaggerate what happens only in Philly? Again, as a historian it's hard to just ignore the evidence. And I'm not trying to explain why nothing bad has ever happened around you there, maybe you're lucky. The point is, that on the whole, Philadelphia has MANY more instances of gross misbehavior with regards to big crowds on a consistent basis than any other city I can think of. That would certainly logically conclude in a statement that Philadelphia has a much higher number of douchebag sports fans than any other city. Not all of them, but a much higher number than most people are comfortable with.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:00 PM

LOL. I have a degree in history as well. I just don't use it to justify shortsighted points and reinforce it with s***ty logic. But you do, so that's cool. :) But you say you are a historian so… :D
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:56 PM

LOL. I have a degree in history as well. I just don't use it to justify shortsighted points and reinforce it with s***ty logic. But you do, so that's cool. :) But you say you are a historian so… :D


Problem for you is, he's actually making relevant points, you're just saying "no you're wrong" without any support whatsoever. He's right, Philly does have the worst fans, it's a fairly widely known fact. Obviously not everyone is a bad fan, but too many are and they give the entire fan base a bad name.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:08 PM

Looks like Pens fans don't want to be outdone:

Fans at Consol come unglued, brutally assault pregnant woman

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:16 PM

Seriously, guys... being stationed in Europe (and across the US) has shown me just how BAD Americans look on the world stage.

America may have fights, but Europe is known for fans actually being killed at games.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:17 PM

Looks like Pens fans don't want to be outdone:

Fans at Consol come unglued, brutally assault pregnant woman


Dude... What the f***?!?!?! I hope this is a joke.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:04 AM

Looks like Pens fans don't want to be outdone:

Fans at Consol come unglued, brutally assault pregnant woman


Shameful.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:47 AM

I love the FB comment saying the guy licked his girlfriends ***! Well, it's all fun and game until a *** gets licked! I have been to plenty of "events" where drunk girls are whipping out there **** for one reason or another and for the most part they are accompanied by their boyfriends/husbands (or girlfriends, hey it's 2012) and there has been plenty of questionable touching, squeezing and yes licking. Not that it is alright to do this, but it happens and it happens a lot. Would he have reacted the same if another female licked her? Doubt it. So in a way I say he was a drunk idiot, but in another way, if this indeed happened maybe he was defending his girl in some manner. Maybe it wasn't about a Rangers fan vs. a Flyers fan, maybe chivalry isn't dead? I don't know, but I do know women like to expose themselves at celebrations for some reason and they have to expect certain things to happen in a drunk crowd. If the boyfriend is encouraging it, he has to expect it as well, but when the line gets crossed and at that point your woman feels violated then it was time to step up, and I have a feeling that this guy in the Rangers sweater wasn't just standing there not saying anything to the Flyers fan. It my woman even got touched in the wrong fashion, I don't care what sweater the guy was wearing, he is gonna get hit. First by my wife, then by me, if he is left standing after she hit him...

At least the guy defended his girl, it would have been sad if the Rangers fan got to lick the *** and then beat the hell out of the boyfriend...

I am not defending the violence, but I am just saying that if the licking happened then the Rangers fan had a beating coming...


Somehow, I think that it being an outdoor game in January, getting a *** out would prove quite difficult. I would imagine it'd be well covered up

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:00 PM

Update on the Consol assault: http://www.thepensbl...ack-speaks.html

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:31 PM

In that cartoon of what happen, are the two people in the backround making out? :blink:
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:46 PM

Problem for you is, he's actually making relevant points, you're just saying "no you're wrong" without any support whatsoever. He's right, Philly does have the worst fans, it's a fairly widely known fact. Obviously not everyone is a bad fan, but too many are and they give the entire fan base a bad name.


I really don't care or know anything about Philly fans except what I read, but to say they are the 'worst' is subjective and not a fact. However, it could be a fact that most people agree they are the worst fans.

In that cartoon of what happen, are the two people in the backround making out? :blink:


Look to the left as well, there is a cornholio too. In the comments there they were commenting on something about the perp with his hand on the girl's shoulder, but never clarified what it was. That was the only thing I saw, was the passionate couple behind him.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 02:05 PM

I really don't care or know anything about Philly fans except what I read, but to say they are the 'worst' is subjective and not a fact. However, it could be a fact that most people agree they are the worst fans.



Look to the left as well, there is a cornholio too. In the comments there they were commenting on something about the perp with his hand on the girl's shoulder, but never clarified what it was. That was the only thing I saw, was the passionate couple behind him.


It's just characters from Archer. I don't think there's any sort of relevance there.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:08 PM

So Penguins jersey wearing fans attacked other Penguins jersey wearing fans in Pittsburgh? And it was a pregnant lady? WTF?

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:24 PM

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