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#201 Nev

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:39 AM

I don't see much contradiction there. He wants what most of us want - a McCarty/LaPointe/Drake type player who is good enough to hold down a roster spot even without fighting. Not a Downey/May/Norton who isn't.
"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:57 AM

I don't see much contradiction there. He wants what most of us want - a McCarty/LaPointe/Drake type player who is good enough to hold down a roster spot even without fighting. Not a Downey/May/Norton who isn't.


Apparently Babcock advocated getting May here when he was "trying out" for Detroit.

Honestly, I think Babcock has always looked to his self image in regards to interviews, and since Detroit had such a great response over a more physical team, he answered in kind. When May was in the discussion and there were doubts about Detroit's toughness, he advocated his signing.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:19 PM

Apparently Babcock advocated getting May here when he was "trying out" for Detroit.

Honestly, I think Babcock has always looked to his self image in regards to interviews, and since Detroit had such a great response over a more physical team, he answered in kind. When May was in the discussion and there were doubts about Detroit's toughness, he advocated his signing.


He wanted to sign May several years before we actually did, when he could still play a bit. Thats the difference.
"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:06 PM

I don't see much contradiction there. He wants what most of us want - a McCarty/LaPointe/Drake type player who is good enough to hold down a roster spot even without fighting. Not a Downey/May/Norton who isn't.


Which category would you put this man into?


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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:15 PM

Which category would you put this man into?


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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:24 AM

Which category would you put this man into?


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That photo? Some kind of *** porn?
"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:09 AM

I don't see much contradiction there. He wants what most of us want - a McCarty/LaPointe/Drake type player who is good enough to hold down a roster spot even without fighting. Not a Downey/May/Norton who isn't.

That's why I want Ruutu. He's physical, scores goals, and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Same goes for Bourque.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:27 AM

That's why I want Ruutu. He's physical, scores goals, and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Same goes for Bourque.


I'd like him too actually. Not as superbly ideal as the Clowe-Laich-Doan-Hartnell type that I'm hoping for but I believe that in a long playoff run (but not so much an 82 game regular season) that Ruutu can do some of the things that those guys can do for sure.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:59 AM

Let's get this over with and yadda yadda yadda.

"I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Detroit," Cherry said Saturday, renewing the attack.

He mimicked those who believe in the Wings.

"'Detroit don't fight. Look how good they are. Kenny Holland and Babcock got another way.'

"Detroit doesn't fight at all!" he bellowed. "They're not tough!"

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:13 AM

Let's get this over with and yadda yadda yadda.

Why isn't he ripping the beloved Habs, who are tied with us for lowest in the NHL in the fighting category? Guys like this are what make guys like me look bad. Its not the amount of fighting majors that counts. More fights does not equal more Stanley Cups automatically. While I do think a minor move or two to get us a little grittier would help us in the long run, I don't think acquiring Steve MacIntyre is gonna do us much good in the postseason.

Personally, I think he is sick of hearing about 1)European players altogether and 2)American NHL teams. If Don Cherry was running the league, it would look like this:



Atlantic Division:

Halifax
Fredericton
Charlottetown
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland

Southeast Division:

Toronto
Ottawa
Montreal
Mississauga
Quebec City

Northeast Division:

Iqaluit
Amherst
New Glasgow
Cambridge Bay
Rankin Inlet

Central Division:

Winnipeg
Thunder Bay
Regina
Saskatoon
Nanavut

Southwest Division:

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Victoria
Medicine Hat

Northwest Divsion:

Whitehorse
Northwest Territories
Yellowknife
Queen Elizabeth Islands
Banks Island

And no European or American players allowed. Because that is the spirit of hockey. Now, I don't like seeing NHL teams fail on Long Island either, but he acts as if Canada invented and trademarked hockey, and nobody else can even think about liking it, or its copyright infringement.

He makes decent points here and there, but then completely goes off road with some other close minded s***.

In conclusion, I think a little added grit will help us a lot in the playoffs, but not a goon.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:18 AM

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I would put that in one of the category's to left of Brad Stuarts name...
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

I don't think many people really care what Don Cherry thinks anymore. He's too outdated, predictable and senile to be relevant anymore. His clear jealousy of the Red Wings makes me laugh though. If the Wings win the Cup, ol Donny boy may have a heart attack. :lol:
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:08 AM

Why isn't he ripping the beloved Habs, who are tied with us for lowest in the NHL in the fighting category? Guys like this are what make guys like me look bad. Its not the amount of fighting majors that counts. More fights does not equal more Stanley Cups automatically. While I do think a minor move or two to get us a little grittier would help us in the long run, I don't think acquiring Steve MacIntyre is gonna do us much good in the postseason.

Personally, I think he is sick of hearing about 1)European players altogether and 2)American NHL teams. If Don Cherry was running the league, it would look like this:


And no European or American players allowed. Because that is the spirit of hockey. Now, I don't like seeing NHL teams fail on Long Island either, but he acts as if Canada invented and trademarked hockey, and nobody else can even think about liking it, or its copyright infringement.

He makes decent points here and there, but then completely goes off road with some other close minded s***.

In conclusion, I think a little added grit will help us a lot in the playoffs, but not a goon.

End rant.

I agree with the whole sentiment that Detroit doesnt need a goon and could use another guy who can play a bit and be tough but are you forgetting the team Cherry is in love with? The bruins, to say he wouldnt allow American teams isnt true at all.

I dont think the wings are softer then a few teams out there, but they are definitely soft and could use another Abdelkader in the lineup.

PS isnt it nice to see Abdelkader manning up now and actually scrapping? 5 fights now, probably end up with 6 or 7 before the year is done and hes getting a lot better at it too

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:15 AM

I agree with the whole sentiment that Detroit doesnt need a goon and could use another guy who can play a bit and be tough but are you forgetting the team Cherry is in love with? The bruins, to say he wouldnt allow American teams isnt true at all.

I dont think the wings are softer then a few teams out there, but they are definitely soft and could use another Abdelkader in the lineup.

PS isnt it nice to see Abdelkader manning up now and actually scrapping? 5 fights now, probably end up with 6 or 7 before the year is done and hes getting a lot better at it too


He's getting a lot better at taking and absorbing punches thats for sure, he just needs to get better with that left and he will be legit.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

I don't understand how anyone can think the Wings are a SOFT team. While they certainly are not one of the toughest teams in the league (like Boston), they make up for it with a strong work ethic. There is a reason why this team has won 23 games in a row at home. Watch any of those games and the one common theme is the overall hustle and tenacity of the players. Look how guys like Helm, Abdelkader and Miller are playing right now. That's how you win playoff games. Now on the road, it's a different story. We're a .500 club. But it is not because we lack toughness. It's because as a group, we don't play a strong enough team game to win as often as we do at home.

The Wings could certainly use some added size and toughness up front as well as on defense. But this team's hopes will live and die with how hard they work to achieve their common goal. It has always been that way and it always will be.

I look at how Dats competes each night, knocking off guys twice his size to get the puck. I see Stuart taking out opponents in the corners and along the boards. I see Kronwall levelling people. Soft? Give me a break.

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 21 February 2012 - 11:18 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:30 AM

The only change I would like to see is better clearing in front of our net. Watch other teams when a wing is in front of their net and the wing ends up on the ice or knocked out of the way. In front of our net, the wings seem to be content to try to clear the puck or tie up sticks. The opposing player rarely gets cleared out. This does not require an "enforcer", just some physical play.

Don Cherry is a comedian. What did he win in the NHL that makes him an expert?

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:30 AM

I saw the video -and as annoyed as I was, I cant help but think theres a grain of truth. Don is now 78 years old and even more of a rambling incoherent mess then usual - but lets not kid ourselves, hes knows the game. He isnt a Red Wings hater - he has rooted for them in many a playoff series and supported on on CBC many times. I think he sees the lack of sandpaper that used to be filled with the likes of Mcarty, Kocur, Malty, Downey, etc. This is why id love to see Gaustad or Moen - so if were up 3 goals with a minute to play the Joe Thorntons of the world arent going to try and mug Hank/Pav/Nick. With another big body in the lineup should sh*t hit the fan I think we could throw 5 guys out there to handle business with the best of them.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:00 PM

I agree with the whole sentiment that Detroit doesnt need a goon and could use another guy who can play a bit and be tough but are you forgetting the team Cherry is in love with? The bruins, to say he wouldnt allow American teams isnt true at all.

I dont think the wings are softer then a few teams out there, but they are definitely soft and could use another Abdelkader in the lineup.

PS isnt it nice to see Abdelkader manning up now and actually scrapping? 5 fights now, probably end up with 6 or 7 before the year is done and hes getting a lot better at it too


I like the Abs has stepped up in the role he's apparently been assigned, but i also think that he has disappeared in every other aspect of the game. In years prior, he always played physical but didn't fight a whole lot. He had on offensive side and played well with the puck, but i feel that he's gone backwards in most categories and seems to try and be making up for it by filling the gritty role that we have such a huge void for. Does anyone else see that? Or am i just blinded by how well everyone else is playing that I'm just complaining to complain here?

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:15 PM

And Vancouver, you think they're not tough now? They've got (Maxim) Lapierre


Really Don???

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:17 PM

I like the Abs has stepped up in the role he's apparently been assigned, but i also think that he has disappeared in every other aspect of the game. In years prior, he always played physical but didn't fight a whole lot. He had on offensive side and played well with the puck, but i feel that he's gone backwards in most categories and seems to try and be making up for it by filling the gritty role that we have such a huge void for. Does anyone else see that? Or am i just blinded by how well everyone else is playing that I'm just complaining to complain here?



it's not just you, I've noticed it too...

he is trying to play physical and leads the team in hits, but i find he often puts himself out of position to make a weak/late hit on a guy who has already gotten rid of the puck.

There was a thread about this recently though, most people aired their grievances about him there.

note: you know things are going well in Red Wing land, when the only thing to complain about is our 4th line winger

Edited by HelmFan, 21 February 2012 - 12:22 PM.






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