94 replies to this topic

[stevkrause]

If the league wants to take away head hits, then don't punish a guy for protecting himself when a guy is about to run him and is going high... I have zero problem with what Marchand did...

EDIT - added video for clarity...

http://m.youtube.com...N2cFZ1oMA&gl=US

Edited by stevkrause, 08 January 2012 - 11:24 PM.

[stevkrause]

Before anyone else even chimes in with the thought too - Marchand didn't NEED to do this to protect himself, but if Salo wasn't so determined in creaming him, he could have moved or gotten low as well... He only got "clipped" because he was trying and determined to make a high hit...

[dobbles]

that link doesnt work for me.

[Buppy]

Cheap shot in my opinion. Doesn't look like Salo is even looking to throw a big hit, much less a dirty one.

This is why discipline has to come from the league. You can't just assume someone is going to throw a dirty hit, and use that assumption to justify a dirty preemptive strike. Vigilante justice never works, and only causes more injuries and injuries to innocent people.

Marchand absolutely should be suspended. If I remember correctly, he has a history of going for the knees too. 2-5 games I'd say, depending on his repeat status.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer]

man when did the league become so soft? I don't want to see anyone get hurt, don't get me wrong, but this is hockey. Wasn't a hit to the head, wasn't a blatant cheap shot in my mind. Protecting himself. Was Salo going for a huge hit? maybe not. But was Marchand suppose to just take the hit? To me, thats a good hockey play, kept his head up and protected himself. Call me a Marchand sloppy all you want, but don't see much wrong with the hit. a few years ago this wouldn't even be on the radar or up for discussion.

Edited by Hank Dats 'N Homer, 09 January 2012 - 12:05 AM.

[Bar Down]

man when did the league become so soft? I don't want to see anyone get hurt, don't get me wrong, but this is hockey. Wasn't a hit to the head, wasn't a blatant cheap shot in my mind. Protecting himself. Was Salo going for a huge hit? maybe not. But was Marchand suppose to just take the hit? To me, thats a good hockey play, kept his head up and protected himself. Call me a Marchand sloppy all you want, but don't see much wrong with the hit. a few years ago this wouldn't even be on the radar or up for discussion.

So you're suggesting that cutting a guy's legs out right before he hits you is a good hockey play? It's as cheap as it gets. Plays like this are the reason there are so many injuries in today's NHL

[MCleveland89]

If you don't want to get hit, don't play hockey.

[Wings_Dynasty]

I like hip checks. Failed or otherwise.

[Nevermind]

I don't see how you could think Salo was going to hit him all that hard to begin with. Unless hockey just became soccer or something.

The only problem I see with it is that the hip check sort of targets the knees. Unintentional or not, that's a dangerous way to hip check. Way too low.

Edited by Nevermind, 09 January 2012 - 01:00 AM.

[IILeiBlazeII]

http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=26334

"Rule 44 - Clipping
44.1 Clipping - Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.
...
44.3 Major Penalty - If an injury occurs as a result of this “clipping” check, the player must be assessed a major penalty (see 44.5).
44.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by clipping.
44.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for injuring an opponent by clipping.
44.6 Fines and Suspensions – There are no specified fines or suspensions for clipping, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28)."

Honestly, it looks like a low hit. When I think hip check, I think hip-on-hip, and this is below the hip, taking his legs out from under him. If one agrees with that assessment, then as per the rulebook, Marchand gets the major, the match and the game misconduct (and possible fines and suspensions). I don't think Salo was going for the high hit, but I suppose we'll never know, now. More reason for the NHL to remove the instigator penalty and let the players duke it out, IMHO... then again, it *is* Vancouver we're talking about. I'm just glad it wasn't a Red Wing on the giving or receiving end.

[F.Michael]

[Finnish Wing]

Don't care what Salo was TRYING to do. The fact is that kinda play by Marchand can end careers near the boards.

Edited by Finnish Wing, 09 January 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Rufio]

Before anyone else even chimes in with the thought too - Marchand didn't NEED to do this to protect himself, but if Salo wasn't so determined in creaming him, he could have moved or gotten low as well... He only got "clipped" because he was trying and determined to make a high hit...

Marchand's not a bad guy, but he saw the hit coming and a real man braces himself and gives it right back. Clipping is taking the easy way out. Anyone can do that. There's nothing impressive or brave or admirable about what Marchand did. He just took the easiest option.

Ducking down and clipping when an opponent comes in for a legal body-check is two things:
- Cowardly
- Dangerous

I'm sure Brad regrets this decision. He's got too much respect for the game to repeat this crap.

[Doggy]

I hope you're not seriously comparing these two.

[sputman]

marchand has a clear case of kasparitis.

[stevkrause]

Marchand's not a bad guy, but he saw the hit coming and a real man braces himself and gives it right back. Clipping is taking the easy way out. Anyone can do that. There's nothing impressive or brave or admirable about what Marchand did. He just took the easiest option.

Ducking down and clipping when an opponent comes in for a legal body-check is two things:
- Cowardly
- Dangerous

I'm sure Brad regrets this decision. He's got too much respect for the game to repeat this crap.

I never said what he did was right, I just don't think it warrants discipline... Neither party was innocent in the incident and it could have been avoided on both sides...

[miksteri]

I hope Marchard IS suspended because that is really dangerous play by him.

[puckloo39]

One of my favorite 24 seconds of my life. Pronger is dirty (see: "physics" explanation), and while I am sorry he's injured in the way he is, I don't miss him.

[puckbags]

Cheap shot in my opinion. Doesn't look like Salo is even looking to throw a big hit, much less a dirty one.

This is why discipline has to come from the league. You can't just assume someone is going to throw a dirty hit, and use that assumption to justify a dirty preemptive strike. Vigilante justice never works, and only causes more injuries and injuries to innocent people.

Marchand absolutely should be suspended. If I remember correctly, he has a history of going for the knees too. 2-5 games I'd say, depending on his repeat status.

Why doesn't Marchand take a page out of Datsyuk's book and just match Salo shoulder for shoulder to gain an advantage? I've seen Dats do it a million times against bigger or smaller guys. It's a clean and effective way of gaining position on a similar play. I don't want hitting out of the game but hits like this are a joke, its contact made below the waist with an attempt to send a guy landing on his head.

[stevkrause]

Why doesn't Marchand take a page out of Datsyuk's book and just match Salo shoulder for shoulder to gain an advantage? I've seen Dats do it a million times against bigger or smaller guys. It's a clean and effective way of gaining position on a similar play. I don't want hitting out of the game but hits like this are a joke, its contact made below the waist with an attempt to send a guy landing on his head.

Once again, I'm not saying what Marchand did was right, but it's no worse than a well timed hip check and if Salo had gotten low when delivering the hit, this wouldn't have happened, if anything he would have just landed on top of him... they both were at fault here and Salo is JUST as responsible for going head over heels on this one...