stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) If the league wants to take away head hits, then don't punish a guy for protecting himself when a guy is about to run him and is going high... I have zero problem with what Marchand did... EDIT - added video for clarity... http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5GN2cFZ1oMA&v=5GN2cFZ1oMA&gl=US Edited January 9, 2012 by stevkrause 2 xtrememachine1 and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Before anyone else even chimes in with the thought too - Marchand didn't NEED to do this to protect himself, but if Salo wasn't so determined in creaming him, he could have moved or gotten low as well... He only got "clipped" because he was trying and determined to make a high hit... 3 xtrememachine1, Z Winged Dangler and hockeygirl8 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 that link doesnt work for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Cheap shot in my opinion. Doesn't look like Salo is even looking to throw a big hit, much less a dirty one.This is why discipline has to come from the league. You can't just assume someone is going to throw a dirty hit, and use that assumption to justify a dirty preemptive strike. Vigilante justice never works, and only causes more injuries and injuries to innocent people.Marchand absolutely should be suspended. If I remember correctly, he has a history of going for the knees too. 2-5 games I'd say, depending on his repeat status. 8 Electrophile, puckbags, Doggy and 5 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) man when did the league become so soft? I don't want to see anyone get hurt, don't get me wrong, but this is hockey. Wasn't a hit to the head, wasn't a blatant cheap shot in my mind. Protecting himself. Was Salo going for a huge hit? maybe not. But was Marchand suppose to just take the hit? To me, thats a good hockey play, kept his head up and protected himself. Call me a Marchand sloppy all you want, but don't see much wrong with the hit. a few years ago this wouldn't even be on the radar or up for discussion. Edited January 9, 2012 by Hank Dats 'N Homer 3 redwings4life, hockeygirl8 and 8 Legged RedWing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bar Down 107 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 man when did the league become so soft? I don't want to see anyone get hurt, don't get me wrong, but this is hockey. Wasn't a hit to the head, wasn't a blatant cheap shot in my mind. Protecting himself. Was Salo going for a huge hit? maybe not. But was Marchand suppose to just take the hit? To me, thats a good hockey play, kept his head up and protected himself. Call me a Marchand sloppy all you want, but don't see much wrong with the hit. a few years ago this wouldn't even be on the radar or up for discussion. So you're suggesting that cutting a guy's legs out right before he hits you is a good hockey play? It's as cheap as it gets. Plays like this are the reason there are so many injuries in today's NHL 3 dat's sick, Frozen-Man and dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MCleveland89 122 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 If you don't want to get hit, don't play hockey. 4 TheDetroitRedWings, Nev, wings1110 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I like hip checks. Failed or otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) I don't see how you could think Salo was going to hit him all that hard to begin with. Unless hockey just became soccer or something. The only problem I see with it is that the hip check sort of targets the knees. Unintentional or not, that's a dangerous way to hip check. Way too low. Edited January 9, 2012 by Nevermind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IILeiBlazeII 15 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26334 "Rule 44 - Clipping 44.1 Clipping - Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent. A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees. An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees. ... 44.3 Major Penalty - If an injury occurs as a result of this “clipping” check, the player must be assessed a major penalty (see 44.5). 44.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by clipping. 44.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for injuring an opponent by clipping. 44.6 Fines and Suspensions – There are no specified fines or suspensions for clipping, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28)." Honestly, it looks like a low hit. When I think hip check, I think hip-on-hip, and this is below the hip, taking his legs out from under him. If one agrees with that assessment, then as per the rulebook, Marchand gets the major, the match and the game misconduct (and possible fines and suspensions). I don't think Salo was going for the high hit, but I suppose we'll never know, now. More reason for the NHL to remove the instigator penalty and let the players duke it out, IMHO... then again, it *is* Vancouver we're talking about. I'm just glad it wasn't a Red Wing on the giving or receiving end. 1 syntax reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Don't care what Salo was TRYING to do. The fact is that kinda play by Marchand can end careers near the boards. Edited January 9, 2012 by Finnish Wing 2 syntax and dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio 29 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Before anyone else even chimes in with the thought too - Marchand didn't NEED to do this to protect himself, but if Salo wasn't so determined in creaming him, he could have moved or gotten low as well... He only got "clipped" because he was trying and determined to make a high hit... Marchand's not a bad guy, but he saw the hit coming and a real man braces himself and gives it right back. Clipping is taking the easy way out. Anyone can do that. There's nothing impressive or brave or admirable about what Marchand did. He just took the easiest option. Ducking down and clipping when an opponent comes in for a legal body-check is two things: - Cowardly - Dangerous I'm sure Brad regrets this decision. He's got too much respect for the game to repeat this crap. 4 Bar Down, IILeiBlazeII, Doggy and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_fmWpcbag I hope you're not seriously comparing these two. 3 IILeiBlazeII, Frozen-Man and TheDetroitRedWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 marchand has a clear case of kasparitis. 1 BUHdactyl reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Marchand's not a bad guy, but he saw the hit coming and a real man braces himself and gives it right back. Clipping is taking the easy way out. Anyone can do that. There's nothing impressive or brave or admirable about what Marchand did. He just took the easiest option. Ducking down and clipping when an opponent comes in for a legal body-check is two things: - Cowardly - Dangerous I'm sure Brad regrets this decision. He's got too much respect for the game to repeat this crap. I never said what he did was right, I just don't think it warrants discipline... Neither party was innocent in the incident and it could have been avoided on both sides... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miksteri 55 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I hope Marchard IS suspended because that is really dangerous play by him. 3 dat's sick, commadore183 and syntax reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_fmWpcbag One of my favorite 24 seconds of my life. Pronger is dirty (see: "physics" explanation), and while I am sorry he's injured in the way he is, I don't miss him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Cheap shot in my opinion. Doesn't look like Salo is even looking to throw a big hit, much less a dirty one. This is why discipline has to come from the league. You can't just assume someone is going to throw a dirty hit, and use that assumption to justify a dirty preemptive strike. Vigilante justice never works, and only causes more injuries and injuries to innocent people. Marchand absolutely should be suspended. If I remember correctly, he has a history of going for the knees too. 2-5 games I'd say, depending on his repeat status. Why doesn't Marchand take a page out of Datsyuk's book and just match Salo shoulder for shoulder to gain an advantage? I've seen Dats do it a million times against bigger or smaller guys. It's a clean and effective way of gaining position on a similar play. I don't want hitting out of the game but hits like this are a joke, its contact made below the waist with an attempt to send a guy landing on his head. 2 dobbles and action jackson reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Why doesn't Marchand take a page out of Datsyuk's book and just match Salo shoulder for shoulder to gain an advantage? I've seen Dats do it a million times against bigger or smaller guys. It's a clean and effective way of gaining position on a similar play. I don't want hitting out of the game but hits like this are a joke, its contact made below the waist with an attempt to send a guy landing on his head. Once again, I'm not saying what Marchand did was right, but it's no worse than a well timed hip check and if Salo had gotten low when delivering the hit, this wouldn't have happened, if anything he would have just landed on top of him... they both were at fault here and Salo is JUST as responsible for going head over heels on this one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike375 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Once again, I'm not saying what Marchand did was right, but it's no worse than a well timed hip check and if Salo had gotten low when delivering the hit, this wouldn't have happened, if anything he would have just landed on top of him... they both were at fault here and Salo is JUST as responsible for going head over heels on this one... I feel like I'm watching a different video than you. I'm not sure how that clip has any relation to a hip check. Hip checks rarely catch a person squarely in the knees. And how is Salo responsible in any way? He came in and appeared to be going shoulder to shoulder. Nothing in that video really shows Salo doing anything illegal, dirty, or otherwise unsportsmanlike. Edit: I don't feel Marchand should face discipline for it, imo slightly dirty but not terribly so. Edited January 9, 2012 by Mike375 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I feel like I'm watching a different video than you. I'm not sure how that clip has any relation to a hip check. Hip checks rarely catch a person squarely in the knees. And how is Salo responsible in any way? He came in and appeared to be going shoulder to shoulder. Nothing in that video really shows Salo doing anything illegal, dirty, or otherwise unsportsmanlike. Edit: I don't feel Marchand should face discipline for it, imo slightly dirty but not terribly so. The physics to "clipping" and upending someone with a hip check, sending them head over heels, is exactly the same... Where's the confusion? It's not the intent I'm referring to - it's the physics of the hit How is Salo NOT responsible? He shouldn't have been that upright when coming in on a check to Marchand in the first place, UNLESS he was aiming to hit high, the guy has damn near 6 inches on Marchand... Once again, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, I don't know how many times I can say that I don't think what Marchand did was right or very respectful, but I don't think Salo was by any means a victim here either and Salo could have easily prevented the outcome by getting lower... Salo is not generally a dirty player, but his form looks very incriminating there and I find it HARD to believe he was not purposely going high on that hit... As the old saying goes, use your head out there... 1 hockeygirl8 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 Once again, I'm not saying what Marchand did was right, but it's no worse than a well timed hip check and if Salo had gotten low when delivering the hit, this wouldn't have happened, if anything he would have just landed on top of him... they both were at fault here and Salo is JUST as responsible for going head over heels on this one... You can call it well timed I guess..we can argue about this all day but it's clear Marchand's intended point of contact was very low. If I was smarter I would post come videos of some quality hit checks from youtube but that is way out of my technical area. Its a fine line with hip checks, lots of factors to determine like point of contact, size of the people involved etc... - I find this one similar to the Marchand hit..very low - I think this is text book even though it's on a Wing, hip to hipIt's a really fine line and everyone's point is different I guess. Open for discussion. The physics to "clipping" and upending someone with a hip check, sending them head over heels, is exactly the same... Where's the confusion? It's not the intent I'm referring to - it's the physics of the hit How is Salo NOT responsible? He shouldn't have been that upright when coming in on a check to Marchand in the first place, UNLESS he was aiming to hit high, the guy has damn near 6 inches on Marchand... Once again, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, I don't know how many times I can say that I don't think what Marchand did was right or very respectful, but I don't think Salo was by any means a victim here either and Salo could have easily prevented the outcome by getting lower... Salo is not generally a dirty player, but his form looks very incriminating there and I find it HARD to believe he was not purposely going high on that hit... As the old saying goes, use your head out there... I don't think the hit was the cleanest but I do agree that discipline is not necessary at all here whether its a fine or suspension. The only thing that may change the way this is looked at is because Salo has a concussion and obviously the C word is a pretty sensitive subject these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 How is Salo NOT responsible? He shouldn't have been that upright when coming in on a check to Marchand in the first place, UNLESS he was aiming to hit high, the guy has damn near 6 inches on Marchand... That's stupid. I don't really have a comment on Marchand, but to blame this on Salo is ignorant. 2 Frozen-Man and dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 To bad it was Salo, he's a good guy. Would of rather it be Kesler or one of the Sundin's. Marchand will get 3 games and guys will think twice when they go to hit him next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 9, 2012 I don't know about a suspension, but a fine should be levied. Salo wasn't coming in hot and had his elbows down. Dirty knee check. 1 syntax reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
