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#41 cprice12

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

Obviously, the most glaring aspect is the climate. And in retrospect, when Pittsburgh was a major stretch/logistic nightmare to host a game, you'd have to wonder if a St. Louis or a Washington market will host a game anytime soon. That significantly reduces the amount of teams that can host an event.


Not true.
Back in the 90's, the NHL held a preseason outdoor game in Las Vegas, and the ice was fine.
It doesn't need to be below freezing to sustain ice. And it's not actually ice, it has an additive in it that helps it stay frozen at higher temperatures.
Besides, the avg. temp for St. Louis on Jan. 1st is in the upper 30's. So even if weather was an issue (which it isn't), chances are it would be ok temp-wise in St. Louis.
Now, with that said...I am sure the NHL wants the cold climate and possibility for snow...it just adds to the atmosphere of being a Winter event. So I can see the event not being held in a warm climate for that reason.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:34 PM

Well, *gulp*, I made hotel reservations. Hopefully out of 110,000+ tickets, I'll be able to find one that doesn't cost a zillion dollars. This is such a dream come true! I thought I'd died and gone to heaven just to get to go to Detroit and see the Wings play at the Joe last March, but this is a whole other plane of bliss!

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:34 PM

If the NHL is getting to a point where they are using the same teams repeatedly for the WC, then they might as well embrace the same format the NFL has for Thanksgiving games. Always have the same teams play on Thanksgiving/WC and rotate the teams within the league that will play those teams.

It does not make sense to me to not hold the WC in cities where the interest level in the two teams would be high enough for it to be hosted but the national audience would not be high enough. If the formula is that the highest audience would always be brought by teams such as Pittsburgh, Detroit, Washington, then they should be in the game every year. That formula blows IMO. There would be enough people in cities such as Minneapolis, St. Louis, and I'll say it, San Jose, to make it happen in those places. But if that wouldn't bring in a high enough interest nationally, then why deviate from the teams that will bring the highest ratings?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:38 PM

As for "recycling teams," there will have been four years between the Wings` two WC appearances, and 2013 will mark the first time that a Canadian team has partaken in it.

That's just spin. I'm not really focusing on the Wings, just the constant appearance of the same teams over the past few years.
In each game after the first two, there has been one new team and one team that has been recycled.

Also, note that the nature of the event is such that small-market teams are disqualified. The Winter Classic is a prestige event for the NHL, and it's meant to draw a lot of viewers. The number of people who care about such teams as Dallas, Phoenix, Florida, Carolina etc. is vastly smaller than the group that will turn out to watch New York, Detroit, Boston etc. on TV. It is also necessary that the teams participating have been at least moderately successful over the prior seasons.

I am well aware of that. And it makes sense. I've made that comment before.
The Blues do have a decent following and traditionally get very good ratings when on national television.
The success part has alluded them in previous seasons, but it seems they have the ship righted...finally. This was supposed to happen last year, but better late than never.

That said, I know that your rant reflects two things: one, your wish that the Blues would get the opportunity to participate in a WC; and two, your inferiority complex with respect to the Red Wings, established over the last 15 years of watching the Red Wings be vastly more successful and vastly more touted than your team.

First, I do not have an inferiority complex towards the Wings. It's simply a sports rivalry-hatred kind of thing. Don't read too much into it. And that has nothing to do with my rant on the Winter Classic. It's all about recycling teams so quickly. Obviously Detroit deserves to be in it...I was surprised they didn't get in the first one, but whatever. But being in it twice in four years? Come on. It's annoying.
Second... I don't have a second.

If the Blues manage to take their success thus far this season and continue it for a couple more seasons, and if they manage to do well in the playoffs, then perhaps you'll see them get one.

My thoughts exactly.

Fans of southwestern and pacific teams will likely never see a Winter Classic, for obvious reasons.

I wouldn't say that. I can easily see San Jose or LA getting in.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:55 PM

That's just spin. I'm not really focusing on the Wings, just the constant appearance of the same teams over the past few years.
In each game after the first two, there has been one new team and one team that has been recycled.


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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

I am, without a doubt, going.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

This is all great news but sadly I can't see myself being able to get a ticket to this. Unless I come across a season ticket holder who can grab me one, I gotta feeling I'm watching this from home. No way I'm dropping upwards of $1000 for a single ticket to this, regardless of the size.


So you wouldn't get a ticket even if it were ten feet long?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:04 PM

So you wouldn't get a ticket even if it were ten feet long?

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ESPECIALLY if it were that big.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:36 PM

Obviously you guys are excited, and you should be.

But speaking as a fan of another team, it's pretty irritating that the NHL keeps putting the same damn teams in the Winter Classic every couple years. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Detroit hadn't been in it yet and three other teams had been in it twice already in 5 years.

Obviously Wings and Leafs fans are happy, but I'm not so sure about most other fans. I hear a lot of grumbling about recycled teams and how people are losing interest because of that (maybe just talk...I'm sure they'd still watch it).
Yes, the original six match up is cool, it's an old rivalry between Toronto and Detroit, I get it...but the NHL needs to get some new teams in there.

You know Chicago will get it again in a year or two (hopefully against St. Louis, in St. Louis)...and surely if Crosby ever comes back, Pittsburgh will get it again in a 2-3 years. So I fully expect the trend of recycling teams to continue. I just hope the Blues get in before the NHL decides to scrap the Winter Classic due to falling ratings or the novelty wearing off, or whatever.


It's because they teams that have played twice have been the away teams. The NHL told those teams they'd have it in the coming years in their territory.

After next year we'll probably see a new team or the Caps hosting it.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:38 PM

I'm curious to see what the jerseys will be for the classic.

Detroit hasn't had a very extensive list of home jerseys, so I'm guessing it will just be our current home with vintage white and an old logo.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:40 PM

Does anyone know how the season ticket holders getting tickets work? Me and about 10 other people"rotate" 4 season tickets. So I get about 5 home games per year for 4 people. Does this mean all of us will only be able to buy 4 tickets to the WC? Or do we have a chance to buy x amount of tickets per season ticket? If that makes any sense haha.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:47 PM

Does anyone know how the season ticket holders getting tickets work? Me and about 10 other people"rotate" 4 season tickets. So I get about 5 home games per year for 4 people. Does this mean all of us will only be able to buy 4 tickets to the WC? Or do we have a chance to buy x amount of tickets per season ticket? If that makes any sense haha.

I could be wrong here, but for those that make the effort I doubt tickets will be hard to get...Expect 30,000 plus Maple Leaf fans; lots of blue will be at the Big House.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:55 PM

I wonder if this will help us in signing free agents this summer?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:58 PM

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Those Blue Leafs jerseys and khaki pants would be awesome.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

The only thing that concerns me is the CBA at this point. It looks like a done deal, and I am happy that UofM went the extra mile and got this passed through. I still am very worried about the CBA at the end of the season.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:04 PM

No one is asking the important question, will there be beer?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:04 PM

That's just spin. I'm not really focusing on the Wings, just the constant appearance of the same teams over the past few years.
In each game after the first two, there has been one new team and one team that has been recycled.


False....maybe do they research before you post something this dumb.

I am well aware of that. And it makes sense. I've made that comment before.
The Blues do have a decent following and traditionally get very good ratings when on national television.
The success part has alluded them in previous seasons, but it seems they have the ship righted...finally. This was supposed to happen last year, but better late than never.


Don't count your chickens buddy. Your team has been WAY better than this and didn't even get a sniff of the SCF, due mostly by the Detroit Red Wings, which explains your utter hatred for everything Red & White. Which is blatantly obvious by everything you post. And BTW, if the Blues had a decent enough following outside of St. Louis, there wouldn't be talks of Western Conference treason if the Wings headed East. They are the money maker in the West...that is why they are in the Classic...again. Odds are, they will be there a third time before St. Louis gets in once.

First, I do not have an inferiority complex towards the Wings. It's simply a sports rivalry-hatred kind of thing. Don't read too much into it. And that has nothing to do with my rant on the Winter Classic. It's all about recycling teams so quickly. Obviously Detroit deserves to be in it...I was surprised they didn't get in the first one, but whatever. But being in it twice in four years? Come on. It's annoying.
Second... I don't have a second.


Something tells me that if it were the Blues in it twice in four years, we wouldn't be reading your rants. Or if they have actually won anything....ever.

I wouldn't say that. I can easily see San Jose or LA getting in.


Ya, if they are playing in Detroit/Boston/New York/Chicago etc...

These blues fans make me laugh, they have so much jealousy and hatred for anything Detroit that everything they try to say objectively comes off smelling like rotten tomatoes or sour grapes. It's pretty nauseating.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:05 PM

The only thing that concerns me is the CBA at this point. It looks like a done deal, and I am happy that UofM went the extra mile and got this passed through. I still am very worried about the CBA at the end of the season.

Me too...That jerk Fehr is gonna make negotiations tough.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:08 PM

I could be wrong here, but for those that make the effort I doubt tickets will be hard to get...Expect 30,000 plus Maple Leaf fans; lots of blue will be at the Big House.


If these two articles are any indication, unless you are a season ticket holder, tickets are most certainly hard to get. AND expensive.

http://thehockeywrit...ices-skyrocket/

http://sports.yahoo....urn=nhl,wp15624

So, unless the NHL changes how tickets are handled this year, it seems like it's going to be tricky to get a ticket at a decent rate.

I wonder if this will help us in signing free agents this summer?


I'm sure we could convince Conks with this info.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:14 PM

If these two articles are any indication, unless you are a season ticket holder, tickets are most certainly hard to get. AND expensive.

http://thehockeywrit...ices-skyrocket/

http://sports.yahoo....urn=nhl,wp15624

So, unless the NHL changes how tickets are handled this year, it seems like it's going to be tricky to get a ticket at a decent rate.

Oh I'm certain tickets won't be cheap...Even the nose bleeds will cost $50 face value.

Those Blue Leafs jerseys and khaki pants would be awesome.

And those stripes; it'll be tough not to see them :lol:

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