trade deadline discussion

[newfy 695]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2012/01/red_wings_plan_to_explore_opti.html

"There’s the odd trade at the deadline that changes the balance of power, but at the end of the day, when I look at the Vancouver Canucks last year, they made some real nice trades at the deadline that gave them some depth, brought them some grit and were important players. Boston made two or three trades as well. They weren’t the big names, they were guys that were the perfect fit."

A complimentary scorer and a gritty player is what they need to add

This to me makes it sound like the perfect idea. A big name like Parise but for the price is probably completely ridiculous. I do like how he likes what the Canucks did because I agree with that and what they did. Added a couple third/fourht line tpyes that really solidified the bottom 6, Detroits top 6 has skill already.

More than making a big splash they need to trim the fat. Emmerton, Miller, Mursak, etc arent all gonig to play in the playoffs so bundle a couple of them up to upgrade our bottom 6.

I like Tuomo Ruutu, he gives them a gritty, abrasive forward that can also be a very good depth scorer. He shouldn't cost a tonne either. I also would like to see Gaustad come center a bottom 6 line. He is great on faceoffs, tough and very good defensively. He and Helm can each see a solid amount of time PKing and both the third and 4th line will have a very reliable center so that all lines can be rolled nicely.

Adding Travis Moen would also be nice. Great on the PK, a bull on skates and also adds that grit.

Ruutu would be my first target

[Tim.D 176]

We've been discussing this here.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'd love to see the Wings pick Jussi Jokinen up from the 'canes. He's had a down year so far but has the ability to break out and put some numbers up. Put him on a line with an elite player like Datsyuk and he could really do some damage.

Jokinen's only running a cap hit of $3,000,000 for two more years so he wouldn't be a huge risk.

[RusDRW 155]

Any combination of two out of Moen, Ruutu, Hemsky, Penner would be excellent and more than enough to win given healthy Dats and Zetter.

[Red Wings Addict 787]

Any combination of two out of Moen, Ruutu, Hemsky, Penner would be excellent and more than enough to win given healthy Dats and Zetter.

I'd like a combination of Moen and Ruutu among those four.

What are the chances of getting Moen?

[CrimsonFlame 424]

I would love to get Parise ***IF*** the price is right. I don't want to sacrifice too much for him because I think the team we have right now is a real contender.

Then again I said that last year and the year before. So as long as we avoid San Jose for a while I thnk we're ok!

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'd like a combination of Moen and Ruutu among those four.

What are the chances of getting Moen?

Moen and Ruutu would certainly help.

It's sounding unlikely that Moen gets moved. The good news is that there are other Moen-type players out there that will be available. Ideally it would be nice to pick up someone who has yet to win a cup, unlike Moen.

I think a 4th line of

Abby - Gaustad - Homer

would get the job done.

[Nevermind 363]

I agree with those saying Ruutu and Moen. Gaustad would be a decent pickup as well. All are gritty players that could add a spark to this team.

Jokinen's too soft and not what we need for the playoffs. More importantly, I don't want to be on the hook for his two more years at $3M. If we're going for pure skill, there's more upside in a guy like Hemsky. He can actually be a gamebreaker rather than a complementary skill forward like Jokinen.

And Penner's too lazy. I doubt a change of scenario would change that much.

[Guest Crymson]

We don't need bottom-six players. Holmstrom, Mursak, Cleary, Miller, Emmerton, Eaves, Abdelkader, Helm and Conner are already in that role. Cleary - Helm - Miller has been a very good line, and Holmstrom will not be scratched, nor will Abdelkader. This leaves one open slot. When Eaves returns, Emmerton will need to be waived. Who gets waived in exchange for yet another bottom-six player?

The argument could be made that second-line scoring is a bigger priority right now. Whatever the case, the Wings do not have space for two more players right now, unless two goes the other way. And it's not like Holland to do something like that.

Another backup goaltender would be nice.

I'd love to see the Wings pick Jussi Jokinen up from the 'canes. He's had a down year so far but has the ability to break out and put some numbers up. Put him on a line with an elite player like Datsyuk and he could really do some damage.

Jokinen's only running a cap hit of $3,000,000 for two more years so he wouldn't be a huge risk.

He's another LH shot; he's soft; and he's streaky. I don't think he's necessarily what we're looking for. The ideal candidate is a RH shot who can go to the tough places on the ice. Of course, these are of limited quantity.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Crymson

[Konnan511 1,736]

A good PK"r who is a physical 4th liner. Depth DMan who can sit near the crease and limit the crease crashing of other teams.

We are high scoring. Maybe we can get slightly faster. We limit shots and have a strong starter do maybe a reliable back-up?

The need for a scoring winger is greatly exaggerated.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Make the trade for Hemsky (Hudler + in return)

Make the trade for Nabokov (Conklin + in return)

Roll with that team through the playoffs, win or lose the Cup, changes are happening especially if Lids retires and Stuart leaves. I got a feeling Lidstrom will be back again to help showcase his team playing in Ann Arbor plus he may be defending another Norris trophy. Holmstrom should hang it up, Bertuzzi can come or go, either way. You will be needing a backup after this season because Nabokov, no doubt will get some good offers to be a starter. No worries, because I have a feeling Tomas Vokoun will be looking for a nice home next year and the prospect of being number 2 on this team far outweighs the starting jobs available, so that will be that. Come July, you sign Suter and you sign Parise.

Which gives you a 2012 playoff roster of:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Hemsky

Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Filppula

Cleary-Helm-Eaves

Holmstrom-Abdelkader-Miller/Mursak/Emmerton (if Mursak or Emmerton aren't traded)

Lidstrom-White

Kronwall-Stuart

Ericsson-Commodore

Kindl

Howard

Nabokov

And a 2012-13 roster of:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Parise

Filppula-Zetterberg-Hemsky

Cleary-Helm-Eaves

Miller-Abdelkader-Mursak/Emmerton (again barring a trade of either of those two)

Lidstrom-Suter

Kronwall-White

Ericsson-Smith

Kindl

Howard

Vokoun

...of course this is just an example, who knows what Holland will really do next month then in July...I know, I know, all this talk is all fun and games until someone shoots an eye out.

Edited January 19, 2012 by LeftWinger

[Guest Crymson]

Make the trade for Hemsky (Hudler + in return)

Make the trade for Nabokov (Conklin + in return)

No offense, LW, but should it really be necessary to always note that sellers at the deadline will not be interested in players who are at the end of their contracts?

[LeftWinger 4,961]

No offense, LW, but should it really be necessary to always note that sellers at the deadline will not be interested in players who are at the end of their contracts?

Ya, I know, but I just hate to put any other name there and everytime I mention Franzen I get like 5 or 6 neggs. I guess it would be nice to dream that they would only cost some prospects but then you would still have to clear roster space somehow and I don't see them waiving Hudler or Conklin....well maybe Conklin. But ya, I hear ya and I do agree...

[Buppy 1,720]

We don't need bottom-six players. Holmstrom, Mursak, Cleary, Miller, Emmerton, Eaves, Abdelkader, Helm and Conner are already in that role. Cleary - Helm - Miller has been a very good line, and Holmstrom will not be scratched, nor will Abdelkader. This leaves one open slot. When Eaves returns, Emmerton will need to be waived. Who gets waived in exchange for yet another bottom-six player?

The argument could be made that second-line scoring is a bigger priority right now. Whatever the case, the Wings do not have space for two more players right now, unless two goes the other way. And it's not like Holland to do something like that.

...

While we don't "need" another bottom-6 forward, it wouldn't hurt, considering the slow recovery of Eaves. We could use a good faceoff man, and someone that's a bit more proven than Mursak or Emmy (or any of the GR kids). If we get a top 6 forward though (bumping Bert or Huds down), then it would probably be a waste.

The roster limit goes away at the trade deadline. No one will need to be waived.

No offense, LW, but should it really be necessary to always note that sellers at the deadline will not be interested in players who are at the end of their contracts?

Samsonov, Upshall, Lepisto, Bergfors, Rissmiller, Dvorak... Probably more if I cared enough to keep looking.

[puckbags 863]

Make the trade for Hemsky (Hudler + in return)

Not a big fan of Hemsky at all, he's a Semin type...he doesn't just take shifts and nights off he takes whole months off. He is a right handed shot though and putting him on a line with Dats or Z would most certainly get his interest level up.

[brennan17 64]

Guys u have to score now plZ!!

Guys u have to score now plZ!!

An that would be a wrong thread lol

[Guest Crymson]

Samsonov, Upshall, Lepisto, Bergfors, Rissmiller, Dvorak... Probably more if I cared enough to keep looking.

I don't get your point.

[Buppy 1,720]

I don't get your point.

All of them were pending UFAs who were traded to "sellers" at last season's deadline.