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#461 Tim.D

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:05 AM

If anyone wants specific plays from the game, let me know and I'll try to have them up on YT by tonight.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:06 AM

I'm not. I wish they comeback to suck again cos Blues fans are pathetic with their whining. They're convinced that Stuart's hit is illegal hit to the head.

Where are you reading that? stltoday.com? That place is a mess of idiocy.
It's best not to read that place.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:07 AM

To all those critical of Babs end-of-game line selection, there was an icing call late in the game bringing a faceoff in our end with no chance to make a line change. 1st in the NHL; I think the coach is doing ok-certainly not a moron.



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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:08 AM

Oh, I'm sorry. Can we not discuss the game in the game day thread?
Just calling them as I see them my friend.
Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

And it's a significant thing to bring up, since both instances I am referring to led to Red Wing power play goals. It directly effected the outcome of the game. So, yes, I'm annoyed by it...you guys would be if it were the other way around. I've seen plenty of bitching in here about the reffing over the years.
If neither call or non-call led to anything on the scoreboard, it wouldn't be as much of an issue...but, unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

But yes, as I said, the Red Wings were the better team overall in the game. The Blues owned the 1st and the Wings took the 2nd and 3rd periods. The Blues got less and less sustained pressure as the game went on. I'm surprised it was only a 2-1 game with a few minutes to go in the game.

Goaltending was strong again, for both teams.

And this game was a bit rougher than most Blues-Wings games. Kind of a throwback of sorts. Fun to watch anyway.


There is a simple thing to remember about the reffing in a game.

If your team wins, the reffing was passable or bad in some instances, but no one ******* much.
If your team loses, the reffing was horrible and everyone *******.

There are more gameday threads about the reffing after a loss than after a win. By complaining about the two instances you pointed out, you would fall into category number two. This is not a bad thing though as many people here ***** about the reffing after a loss. If the roles were flipped, many people would ***** about the same things you complained about.

Overall though, it was a solid game with solid goaltending. It wasn't like St. Louis didn't have their chances to score goals and win that game.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:12 AM

cprice says that it was textbook interference but it really wasn't. It would have been interference if Helm knocked the guy down, they went after the puck, but it was an even battle for the puck where Helm hit him as they were going for the puck. If the puck weren't right in the feet of the players and was maybe 3-4 feet away, sure it could have been considered interference.

This is completely wrong. Sorry.
1) You don't have to knock a guy down for it to be interference.
2) Petro was knocked down on the play anyway.
3) The puck wasn't that close...four or five feet away and Petro never touched it.
4) Helm made no effort to play the puck and checked Petro, preventing him from reaching the puck.

Textbook interference.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:17 AM

This is completely wrong. Sorry.
1) You don't have to knock a guy down for it to be interference.
2) Petro was knocked down on the play anyway.
3) The puck wasn't that close...four or five feet away and Petro never touched it.
4) Helm made no effort to play the puck and checked Petro, preventing him from reaching the puck.

Textbook interference.

There were a lot of potential interference calls that went uncalled throughout the game. Seems that both teams were happy to grab and hold or just interfere with people not carrying the puck throughout the entire game. To say that one blown call resulted in the loss is really a bad analysis. Do I think St. Louis could have had more power plays? Yup, but I also think the Wings were deprived of some extra power play time just based on the interference I saw.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:22 AM

There were a lot of potential interference calls that went uncalled throughout the game. Seems that both teams were happy to grab and hold or just interfere with people not carrying the puck throughout the entire game. To say that one blown call resulted in the loss is really a bad analysis. Do I think St. Louis could have had more power plays? Yup, but I also think the Wings were deprived of some extra power play time just based on the interference I saw.

I didn't say it resulted in the loss, but had that been called, the Wings don't get a PP and may not have went up 3-1. The game would have remained 2-1 with a 4 on 4 coming.
Wings may still have won the game, but that bad non-call allowed for a PPG that kind of put the game out of reach.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:33 AM

I didn't say it resulted in the loss, but had that been called, the Wings don't get a PP and may not have went up 3-1. The game would have remained 2-1 with a 4 on 4 coming.
Wings may still have won the game, but that bad non-call allowed for a PPG that kind of put the game out of reach.

Thats assuming the Wings wouldn't have scored on the 4 on 4 or the final wouldn't have been 2-1. I am sure you and other St. Louis fans would have bitched about the other power play goal as well and the call that led to that if you lost 2-1 instead. But I digress.....

The point is this.....

As sports fans, we have endured many moments of yelling at the TV or bitching about what happens in the game because of the refs and what they call and don't call. After playing hockey for 12 years, I decided to put on the stripes and referee. After three years of refereeing, I learned some very valuable lessons in that no one calls a flawless game and calls will always be missed throughout the game. Mistakes are going to happen and refs don't have the luxury of instant replay.

I now spend less time bitching about the reffing when I watch a game. Its more about analysis and understanding why the ref called something.

In the end, the better team wins the game. The calls in the course of the game don't dictate a win or a loss. The puck bounces funny and sometimes, a team will get a one or two goal lead. Its up to the better team to overcome those bounces and win the game. This is why playoff series are played in 7 games. The better team always wins in a 7 game playoff as well.

Levying blame on the refs for the calls as the reason why your team lost really is a cop out IMHO.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:33 AM

It was a missed call by the refs, but one thing I have learned over the past couple of years is that there are 82 games in a season and sometimes you get calls in your favor, and then other games things just don't go the way you want. I was at the game last night and I saw quite a few missed calls- - both ways- - but by not calling every little infraction made for a really exciting and enjoyable game between 2 of the leagues best teams.

For the first chunk of the first period it was all St. Louis. The Wings were just watching the play... couldn't pass, hit, or anything. Then During one of the commercial breaks, Mike Babcock had the team huddle together and they had a quick team meeting. Whatever he said at that time worked, because shortly after Stuart had his fantastic hit, and that turned the game around. In my opinion, it was whatever babcock said to the team that changed the game- - not the refs. Speaking of Mike Babcock, I just want to say what an awesome person he is. Yesterday the team I coach got to play at Joe Louis Arena at 4pm, and before the boys went on the ice, we were all welecomed by a visit from Mike Babcock- - the kids were THRILLED. He came in there, joked around with them, talked a bit and wished everyone good luck. Little things like that make a huge difference for kids, and it goes to show not only is Babs the best coach in the league, but he is an awesome person as well. That's why I think his words on that tv timeout was the difference maker.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:38 AM

This is completely wrong. Sorry.
1) You don't have to knock a guy down for it to be interference.
2) Petro was knocked down on the play anyway.
3) The puck wasn't that close...four or five feet away and Petro never touched it.
4) Helm made no effort to play the puck and checked Petro, preventing him from reaching the puck.

Textbook interference.


Its not interference if both players are challenging for the puck. Look at when kronwall got knocked on his ass earlier in the season challenging for a puck which led to a the GWG, cant remember who we were playing though.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:43 AM

The better team always wins in a 7 game playoff as well.

Levying blame on the refs for the calls as the reason why your team lost really is a cop out IMHO.


This isnt always true.

Sometimes there is a legitimate blame on the refereeing, but not in this case. See Hossa's non-goal against ducks, or about 9 out of every 10 Holmstrom non-goals.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:45 AM

It's about more than distance travelled. Stewart came off the bench and came right over to Stuart. He had no intention of doing anything but fighting.


Not only was that the right call, but he should have received a game misconduct and be up for supplemental discipline. Leaving the bench with the intention of starting an altercation is suspendable. Jean-Francois Jacques was already banned for that this year. Not sure if FSD showed it, but NBC showed his direct path to Stuart after he left the bench, completely ignoring the play. He even confirmed that in his post game comments. In the end, I don't really care, but if we're going to ***** about missed calls...why not start at the top? "Hey, the rules are the rules"

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Its not interference if both players are challenging for the puck. Look at when kronwall got knocked on his ass earlier in the season challenging for a puck which led to a the GWG, cant remember who we were playing though.


It was against Minnesota when Koivu threw that back hit into Kronwall.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:13 AM

This isnt always true.

Sometimes there is a legitimate blame on the refereeing, but not in this case. See Hossa's non-goal against ducks, or about 9 out of every 10 Holmstrom non-goals.


Once again, I say the better team always wins a 7 game series.

Good teams don't blame the refs or misfortune for losing games. Good teams rise above the adversity and win games.

Edited by Nightfall, 24 January 2012 - 10:24 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:37 AM

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:14 AM

I only saw the replay of that once...and yes, it looked like to me like it should have been a penalty.


Isn't that what discussion forums are for? Talking about the details of the game?


Ummm...the power play the Wings got from that whole series of events led to their 3rd goal. Huge goal in the game. It most certainly was a big enough travesty to make an argument out of. It's the biggest gripe I have in the game. Probably should have been mathing minors for interference and roughing... and a 4 on 4 as result, not a Wings power play.


To be fair the power play was the result of one of your players not being able to keep his cool and went after Helm. I am not sure how often you watch the Wings but you will notice that when a Wing gets run or hit hard, we don't take stupid penalties after. Our players realize we have a PP coming and they keep their cool. In my opinion they were both going after the puck and Helm caught him off guard and off balance resulting in the hit looking pretty bad. Contact in a race for the puck happens several times a game though and it is a fight for the puck, not interference.

In the play where Homstroms stick was knocked out of his hand, after he picked it up he chased the puck carrier and was picked/interferred with and it wasnt called. Holmstrom could actually get shot with a shotgun out there and not draw a call though. This isnt just against you guys, he never gets calls.

If anyone wants specific plays from the game, let me know and I'll try to have them up on YT by tonight.


If you can find the play where Holmstroms stick is knocked out of his hand and then seconds later he was intereferred with I would appreciate it. I want to see if the interference/pick is as bad as I though it was at the time.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:34 AM

In regards to that last comment, we also don't try to fight players after a clean hit like most babies do (kesler).

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:06 PM

Oh, I'm sorry. Can we not discuss the game in the game day thread?
Just calling them as I see them my friend.
Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

You can talk about the game day thread, but when you get on a pedastal about refereeing in a game where your team was behind the entire third period on our own board, you are going to come off as petty.

This is a Red Wings board and it is going to be biased no matter what you say. And if you have been paying attention most bitching has been during losses has been in regards to the team's play, and not marginal calls that don't directly affect the outcome of the game.

And it's a significant thing to bring up, since both instances I am referring to led to Red Wing power play goals. It directly effected the outcome of the game. So, yes, I'm annoyed by it...you guys would be if it were the other way around. I've seen plenty of bitching in here about the reffing over the years.
If neither call or non-call led to anything on the scoreboard, it wouldn't be as much of an issue...but, unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

You can be annoyed. Just don't expect anyone here to sympathize. You've been involved in little trash talk with us so we are going to enjoy extending our lead against you and call you out when you resort to petty discussions about penalties.

Let's not forget that the Blues had opportunities to score on their own powerplays and didn't. They scored one goal off a bad line change and didn't find the back of the net for the rest of the game.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:26 PM

You can talk about the game day thread, but when you get on a pedastal about refereeing in a game where your team was behind the entire third period on our own board, you are going to come off as petty.

This is a Red Wings board and it is going to be biased no matter what you say. And if you have been paying attention most bitching has been during losses has been in regards to the team's play, and not marginal calls that don't directly affect the outcome of the game.


You can be annoyed. Just don't expect anyone here to sympathize. You've been involved in little trash talk with us so we are going to enjoy extending our lead against you and call you out when you resort to petty discussions about penalties.

Let's not forget that the Blues had opportunities to score on their own powerplay and didn't. They scored one goal off a bad line change and didn't find the back of the net for the rest of the game.

Fixed it for you. St. Louis only had one powerplay the entire game.

In all seriousness, St. Louis committed some pretty dumb penalties, but I thought that they should have gotten a couple more opportunities in the game. Have the Wings found themselves behind the eight ball in terms of getting calls in some games? Yea, and I think its fitting that we had a game where the opposing team found themselves hit with penalties while we got the bounces.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:10 PM

Blues fans sure are butthurt over on their forum.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:18 PM

Blues fans sure are butthurt over on their forum.

If the roles were reversed, you can bet the Wings fans here would be butthurt. Only one powerplay the entire game? A couple dumb penalties, but the refs would still be blamed for the loss. Thats the way ardent fans of a team roll though, or at least the ones who believe that every year is a cup year and if they don't win a cup, its the league or the refs fault.
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