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#41 LeftWinger

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:02 PM

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:07 PM

With all due respect - T.Low IMO is spot on, and I agree with him...Remember Hank's lingering tendonitis in his wrist?..Who knows if that, and his back flare up on a reg basis throughout the season?

Every player is different; some wear down faster than others, and are more prone to injury, and quite possibly re-injury (see Osgood's groin, and Yzerman's knees).

Hank has slowed down a bit, and so has his scoring prowess...He's still a #1 centerman on most teams, but with Dats in the line up - Hank then is the #2 guy.


I'm not sure I even consider him the #4 guy on this team right now... Just because he was amazing in the past doesn't increase his value this year when he's playing pretty bad hockey, even outside of the lack of scoring.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:06 PM

9 goals
26 assists
35 points
A team leading 152 shots

Is Z struggling? Maybe. I think he is more frustrated thats for sure. Last year he had over 300 shots in 80 games and scored 24 goals with 80 points.

I am not disappointed with Z. He is going through a rough patch right now and I will continue to support him. He is going to turn things around on the scoring side. If not, he is still one of the best players on the team.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:54 PM

So what you're saying is Zetterberg has no love for Osgood? Hell, maybe he hated Rafalski too


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 01:14 PM

9 goals
26 assists
35 points
A team leading 152 shots

Is Z struggling? Maybe. I think he is more frustrated thats for sure. Last year he had over 300 shots in 80 games and scored 24 goals with 80 points.

I am not disappointed with Z. He is going through a rough patch right now and I will continue to support him. He is going to turn things around on the scoring side. If not, he is still one of the best players on the team.

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Wow!

If someone told me the bolded part before the season, I'd never believe them. 9 goals at the All Star break, and he's played basically every game.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:10 PM

Wow!

If someone told me the bolded part before the season, I'd never believe them. 9 goals at the All Star break, and he's played basically every game.

He only scored 24 in 80 games last year. So, if you think about it, he is only 5-6 goals off pace. Not a huge number at all.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:12 PM

Wow!

If someone told me the bolded part before the season, I'd never believe them. 9 goals at the All Star break, and he's played basically every game.


The weird thing is that both of his linemates are scoring more than they ever have in their careers.

While we probably won't ever see the 40 goal Zetterberg of yore, I have faith that his pace will pick up in the second half and the playoffs.

Having 3 potential top 6 centers is a huge asset for this team, glad we are able to roll such a strong top 6 down the middle.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:55 PM

Not trying to complain or anything like that but man, it is hard to watch Zetterberg right now. Seems like his confidence level is below average for him.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:05 AM

Not trying to complain or anything like that but man, it is hard to watch Zetterberg right now. Seems like his confidence level is below average for him.


I can agree with this. He can't buy a freaking goal out there, and honestly, I think it has a lot to do with players being afraid of his potential play, thus, they put a ton more pressure on him, which leaves Hudler and Filppula open more often, leading to them scoring a lot more than expected. I can't say I hate his playmaking ability, but I really want to see him score more often again.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 12:50 AM

He needs at least a new back, wrist and knee.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 01:36 AM

He needs at least a new back, wrist and knee.


This is why I don't like the long contracts. It could look real bad soon if he continues to decline but i'm hoping he's just having an off year.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:52 PM

I have been reading the articles and the forums, and listening to everyone else’s opinion as to why Henrik Zetterberg is not producing the points, especially goals, the way we are used to. I’ve thought about it, and like everyone else, I don’t think you can point to any one thing that is the root cause of Zetterberg’s scoring woes. After watching his play closely, I have come to a conclusion that it is likely a combination of things.
Many are speculating that Zetterberg is possibly playing with a nagging injury, possibly his back. Perhaps years of playing with a bad back is affecting his game. Or maybe he has just lost a step. It happens with age. Never a “speedy” player, Z always had to kick it into a higher gear to work his way around a defenseman. If he has lost that higher gear, that part of his game is gone. That doesn’t mean he can’t score. It is just one factor.
Additionally, Zetterberg has never had the strongest shot. He has cited this as a weakness in the past. If he isn’t getting shots from prime scoring areas in front of and around the net, then his softer shots, no matter how many of them he takes, aren’t going to get by NHL goalies, especially without a net front presence.
When Zetterberg has been effective in the past, he has had a “grinder” on his line. Whether it be Tomas Holmstrom, Dan Cleary, or Johan Franzen, there has been someone who created chaos in front of the netminder, and someone who could muck it up, bang bodies, and win battles along the boards. These guys could go get the puck in the corner and get it to Zetterberg in the slot or beside the crease.
With smaller skill players such as Valtteri Filppula and Jiri Hudler as linemates, Zetterberg is sort of filling the “grinder” role. He has to play along the boards and try to win battles in corners with bigger opponents. A lot of time he is losing those battles. He isn’t able to carry the puck out and get it into area he needs to be in to score regularly. This results in an increase in turnovers and penalties taken by Zetterberg.
Defenses know all this. They see the players on Detroit’s second line and they focus on Zetterberg, ensuring that he is forced along the boards. They make him take low percentage outside shots. They are taking away his real scoring chances.
But, you can’t do that without giving up a little and the beneficiaries are Zetterberg’s wingers, Hudler and Filppula, who are both having career years. That is why coach Mike Babcock isn’t making any line changes to accommodate Zetterberg’s “slump”. The Wing’s are winning. And while Zetterberg's numbers aren't where they could be, the line is scoring. Babcock, and probably even Z himself, are willing to sacrifice Hank’s statistics for the production of the entire line.
What does it mean? It means Zetterberg isn’t done. He can return to goal scoring form on a line where that is his role. That isn’t what he is being asked to do right now. You don’t hear Babcock asking for more goals from Zetterberg in the media. He realizes what he is asking of Z.
Zetterberg is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game. He is a coach’s son and plays in great position. He is a top-line two-way center and an outstanding penalty killer.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 12:58 PM

Bravo!

We're all concerned about Hank not getting the goals, but his linemates are scoring in droves. To me this says that Hank is getting the job done. Also, his shots on goal is still up there. To me this says that he is kind of snakebit (although a minor bite- maybe just one fang) at the moment.

I have no doubt that he will continue to impress, although factors such as age and injury do and will have their effect. He is, after all human.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:09 PM

Iv never really thought he had a ton of scoring touch but it still a great player. Always seems like the Red Wings have to most "almost" goals in the league maybe its because I watch them the most idk

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:19 PM

I have been reading the articles and the forums, and listening to everyone else's opinion as to why Henrik Zetterberg is not producing the points, especially goals, the way we are used to. I've thought about it, and like everyone else, I don't think you can point to any one thing that is the root cause of Zetterberg's scoring woes. After watching his play closely, I have come to a conclusion that it is likely a combination of things.
Many are speculating that Zetterberg is possibly playing with a nagging injury, possibly his back. Perhaps years of playing with a bad back is affecting his game. Or maybe he has just lost a step. It happens with age. Never a "speedy" player, Z always had to kick it into a higher gear to work his way around a defenseman. If he has lost that higher gear, that part of his game is gone. That doesn't mean he can't score. It is just one factor.
Additionally, Zetterberg has never had the strongest shot. He has cited this as a weakness in the past. If he isn't getting shots from prime scoring areas in front of and around the net, then his softer shots, no matter how many of them he takes, aren't going to get by NHL goalies, especially without a net front presence.
When Zetterberg has been effective in the past, he has had a "grinder" on his line. Whether it be Tomas Holmstrom, Dan Cleary, or Johan Franzen, there has been someone who created chaos in front of the netminder, and someone who could muck it up, bang bodies, and win battles along the boards. These guys could go get the puck in the corner and get it to Zetterberg in the slot or beside the crease.
With smaller skill players such as Valtteri Filppula and Jiri Hudler as linemates, Zetterberg is sort of filling the "grinder" role. He has to play along the boards and try to win battles in corners with bigger opponents. A lot of time he is losing those battles. He isn't able to carry the puck out and get it into area he needs to be in to score regularly. This results in an increase in turnovers and penalties taken by Zetterberg.
Defenses know all this. They see the players on Detroit's second line and they focus on Zetterberg, ensuring that he is forced along the boards. They make him take low percentage outside shots. They are taking away his real scoring chances.
But, you can't do that without giving up a little and the beneficiaries are Zetterberg's wingers, Hudler and Filppula, who are both having career years. That is why coach Mike Babcock isn't making any line changes to accommodate Zetterberg's "slump". The Wing's are winning. And while Zetterberg's numbers aren't where they could be, the line is scoring. Babcock, and probably even Z himself, are willing to sacrifice Hank's statistics for the production of the entire line.
What does it mean? It means Zetterberg isn't done. He can return to goal scoring form on a line where that is his role. That isn't what he is being asked to do right now. You don't hear Babcock asking for more goals from Zetterberg in the media. He realizes what he is asking of Z.
Zetterberg is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game. He is a coach's son and plays in great position. He is a top-line two-way center and an outstanding penalty killer.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

Bravo!

We're all concerned about Hank not getting the goals, but his linemates are scoring in droves. To me this says that Hank is getting the job done. Also, his shots on goal is still up there. To me this says that he is kind of snakebit (although a minor bite- maybe just one fang) at the moment.

I have no doubt that he will continue to impress, although factors such as age and injury do and will have their effect. He is, after all human.


He may be slightly snakebitten, but I think it is more a case of taking a ton of low percentage shots. Z just throws it at the net alot to try to create chances. Like I said above. He is being limited to where he can get shots off from.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

Z - Flip - Huds line is playing great...sometimes you just don't get any bounces. Z needs to go on a nice conditioning stint in the offseason that's for sure and at the same time work his shooting back up to what it was, but back injuries f*** your s*** up and it's hard to get back to it afterwards. look at jagr when he had his groin injuries...

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Just out of curiosity what has the Swedish media been reporting on Zetterberg in regards to his play? I'm sure someone has asked him about his production. I wonder what his response has been. Especially since a Swede (or any European for that matter) is a little more candid and open with the media from their country.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Still one of the best.

Honestly we need to figure out a better cast among our top four. Another top six winger that would actually compliment Zetter would be good.
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