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#41 Danielsm

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:26 PM

Smith looked promising in his time up with the Wings. But a rookie in the playoffs is always a little scary.


Oh. right. I forgot that when we dealt for Gleason he would actually be playing for the Wings. :lol:

either way, Ericsson has a NMC, so as much joy as it would bring people to see him go, he'd have to agree to it.


Helm and Abby made their major appearances in the playoffs before they got their roster spot. Same thing could happen to Smith if he outshines Ericsson. Regardless, Ericsson IS better in the playoffs, but he's still scary to see with the puck.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

Franzen 19 goals, 41 points, +25, GWG 9 (leads the league in GWG)

Morrow 8 goals, 22 points, +4, 1 GWG

There is no comparison. $4.1m per year for 22 points in 41 games. No thanks.



A LITTLE less. 41 points compared to 22 points. Almost 50% less...

For starters, I was looking at more than 50 games this season Mule has played and the 41 Morrow has played. The last two seasons Morrow has put up 56 and 46 points on a Dallas team that wasn't good enough to make the playoffs.

I wasn't equating Franzen with Morrow and certainly wasn't implying Morrow is better. My point was to use Mule's contract size as a reference point in saying that Morrow's contract may not be that bad if he were to stay healthy on the Wings.

And no matter how many times people use it with Mule GWG is still the most useless stat there is. Guys who score lots of goals are going to have lots of GWG. People like to infer that it somehow means he's clutch, but it means virtually nothing, other than he scores goals.

And using +/- for players on two different teams shows absolutely nothing useful as well.

besides, I wouldn't trade Franzen for Morrow, who ever suggested that is nuts. Franzen for Ryan or Perry? Yes, but Morrow should only cost some prospects and MAYBE a roster player, possibly named Hudler or Emmerton.

No one was suggesting that. Or at least I certainly wasn't.

Helm and Abby made their major appearances in the playoffs before they got their roster spot. Same thing could happen to Smith if he outshines Ericsson. Regardless, Ericsson IS better in the playoffs, but he's still scary to see with the puck.

Having a rookie D man in the playoffs worries me more than forwards, though you can add Ericsson to that list of playoff appearances.

I'm not saying Smith would be a disaster or anything. I just don't know that the Wings would put themselves in that position.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:49 PM

Having a rookie D man in the playoffs worries me more than forwards, though you can add Ericsson to that list of playoff appearances.

I'm not saying Smith would be a disaster or anything. I just don't know that the Wings would put themselves in that position.


This is pretty much bang on. Smith wouldn't be a disaster by any stretch of the mind, and when all is said and done, Smith will be the superior player... but the post-season is a different beast. You want the guy who's been there before, even if it's Big Rig. One little mistake can make a huge difference. I think if any player off the active roster is moved, it'll be a forward.

Getting Morrow could really bolster our top 6, depending on the return and his health. He's had a difficult time staying healthy this season. I wouldn't mind the team moving a forward prospect, as they're very deep at the position. Holland's spent a number of years compiling his assets, and if we're really going to add some pieces to the team I think this trade deadline/off-season is going to be when it happens. I remain skeptical, but I feel like it's a good time to add some depth to the team.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:59 AM

we should also trade commodore for fistric
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:57 AM

Helm and Abby made their major appearances in the playoffs before they got their roster spot. Same thing could happen to Smith if he outshines Ericsson. Regardless, Ericsson IS better in the playoffs, but he's still scary to see with the puck.

Didn't the same happen to Quincey when Schiender was hurt in 07? Which was why most were pissed he was just disguarded for the likes of Meech/Lebda
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:19 AM

A lot of people seem to ignore the intangibles of roster management and instead treat trades as they would be in NHL 12.


OK, since you know everything about everything, what exactly should Ken Holland do at the deadline? Or do you want us to stand pat at the deadline and get beaten (again) by a team whose players are just as fast, just as skilled, and just as hardworking, but 2-3 inches taller and 10-20lbs heavier?
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 09:06 AM

This is pretty much bang on. Smith wouldn't be a disaster by any stretch of the mind, and when all is said and done, Smith will be the superior player... but the post-season is a different beast. You want the guy who's been there before, even if it's Big Rig. One little mistake can make a huge difference. I think if any player off the active roster is moved, it'll be a forward.

Getting Morrow could really bolster our top 6, depending on the return and his health. He's had a difficult time staying healthy this season. I wouldn't mind the team moving a forward prospect, as they're very deep at the position. Holland's spent a number of years compiling his assets, and if we're really going to add some pieces to the team I think this trade deadline/off-season is going to be when it happens. I remain skeptical, but I feel like it's a good time to add some depth to the team.


The Wings aren't shy about letting their prospects play in the playoffs. Maybe Smith wouldn't play his first game in a crucial Game 7, but he'll get his chance in Game 1 of the first round, and if he plays well he will continue to get to play. The kid looks like he could be a perfect playoff-player.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:34 AM

The Wings aren't shy about letting their prospects play in the playoffs. Maybe Smith wouldn't play his first game in a crucial Game 7, but he'll get his chance in Game 1 of the first round, and if he plays well he will continue to get to play. The kid looks like he could be a perfect playoff-player.


And if he doesn't, who does? I don't think the Wings go with a Kindl-Commodore pairing. I just don't think they'd risk it. As much as E gets ripped on, he makes some smart, quiet plays. There's nothing flashy about the guy, but at times he just makes the smart play.

One of the knocks on Smith, at least during his AHL play, has been his defensive lapses. It'd be nice to think he's past them, but I think in a high pressure situation, they might be exposed. I'm very pro-Smith; I'm just not sure throwing him into the deep end of the pool without any water wings is going to pan out.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:08 AM

No way we get Hossa, ever......oh wait.....


Never say never, but the odds are low, I agree.




besides, I wouldn't trade Franzen for Morrow, who ever suggested that is nuts. Franzen for Ryan or Perry? Yes, but Morrow should only cost some prospects and MAYBE a roster player, possibly named Hudler or Emmerton.


Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions. You are seriously arguing about the definition of a game winning goal to make a point? Really? Mule is a clutch playoff performer, Period. He's not going anywhere.

And if he doesn't, who does? I don't think the Wings go with a Kindl-Commodore pairing. I just don't think they'd risk it. As much as E gets ripped on, he makes some smart, quiet plays. There's nothing flashy about the guy, but at times he just makes the smart play.

One of the knocks on Smith, at least during his AHL play, has been his defensive lapses. It'd be nice to think he's past them, but I think in a high pressure situation, they might be exposed. I'm very pro-Smith; I'm just not sure throwing him into the deep end of the pool without any water wings is going to pan out.


Defenseman is hard position to learn. There aren't many guys that are good at in right away. Big E is improving but he's not there yet. I expect that Smith will take some time also,
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:15 AM

A gritty player who's beaten the snot out of Lucic, I approve.



When exactly did that happen? Cause I'm looking at Morrow's fight card right now and Lucic is nowhere to be found.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:17 AM

Helm and Abby made their major appearances in the playoffs before they got their roster spot. Same thing could happen to Smith if he outshines Ericsson. Regardless, Ericsson IS better in the playoffs, but he's still scary to see with the puck.


You must be having Back to the Future dreams of Anderson Eriksson because Jonathan is a capital pylon in the playoffs too, and its easier to notice because the games really count. In a huge overtime situation against SJ last year Ericsson went all hunter orange, road construction pylon and showed just how little hockey sense and physical presence he actually has. If he had a clue how to play hockey that play wouldn't have happened like the Sharks were playing a roller hockey match against a '93 girls travel hockey team from Troy. He's useless, and not only useless, he's a huge liability.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 12:41 PM

Getting Moen and Morrow would make us a tougher team to compete with come playoff time.

Of course, then the other Cup contenders might snag Perry, Iginla, Ryan or Parise, which would give them more firepower.

With the moves(s) the Hawks are making, getting a combo of Morrow, Moen, and Rutuu would be an ideal situation. Giving up some picks along with Tatar, Andersson and hopefully Ericsson and/or Hudler would be the way to go.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:03 PM

And no matter how many times people use it with Mule GWG is still the most useless stat there is. Guys who score lots of goals are going to have lots of GWG. People like to infer that it somehow means he's clutch, but it means virtually nothing, other than he scores goals.

And using +/- for players on two different teams shows absolutely nothing useful as well.


FINALLY someone who understands the GWG stat! Thank you! Maybe they will listen to you instead of me repeating myself over and over! Hey everyone Datsyuk and Kronwall BOTH have 4 GWG's! Does that mean they are both as good as each other? Holmstrom and Miller each have 2, are they half as good as Datsyuk? Is Franzen better than Datsyuk?

No one was suggesting that. Or at least I certainly wasn't.


I was just wondering why he was comparing the two and saying no thanks to Morrow (:lol: I said toMorrow....hee hee) Anyhow, he would still say no thanks even with BOTH of them on our team then I guess...

This team would be much better if Morrow were on it. He wasn't chosen to be the Captain of Team Canada because he has no heart. This guy is the prototypical NHL player. I say go for it!

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 09:47 PM

With the moves(s) the Hawks are making, getting a combo of Morrow, Moen, and Rutuu would be an ideal situation. Giving up some picks along with Tatar, Andersson and hopefully Ericsson and/or Hudler would be the way to go.

If Ken is serious about making a run, I think at least one of Morrow/Moen, and a physical top 6 forward should be in order. As others have said, I don't want to see 5 trades, risking messing up our chemistry.

Ideally, I'd really like:

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:14 PM

Moen is more of what we need at the moment.

I honestly think Morrow is too old, we need a really young sniper, ie Danny Heatley style minus the horrible attitude.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:57 AM

Moen is more of what we need at the moment.

I honestly think Morrow is too old, we need a really young sniper, ie Danny Heatley style minus the horrible attitude.

I'd like to see us get younger as a team this summer. I think Bertuzzi and Holmstrom will hang them up over the summer. Obviously Lidstrom's status is still unknown. I'll miss Homer, but at this point, he is no longer effective at even strength, although he is still a powerplay specialist. Assuming Stuart heads west to be with his family, I'd like to see us get a younger guy to take his spot (Tim Gleason). I don't mind Cleary, but his game is kind of on the slide, as well. I think he will be here for at least another year, though.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:07 AM

I think going for players in their mid-20s is perfect. Right before their primes, the older guys on the team can shepherd them in, and then the new guys can shepherd in the really young kids. Perfect transition. Parise fits this bill, isn't he 27?

I really don't think we need Moen AND Ruutu. One or the other will suffice. I honestly don't know what Holland can do about the top 6er situation. We can't sell the farm for a rental. Anyone think Morrow could handle playing on Datsyuk or Zetterberg's wing? Or would he be relegated to 3rd line playoff warrior duty?
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:17 AM

I really don't think we need Moen AND Ruutu. One or the other will suffice. I honestly don't know what Holland can do about the top 6er situation. We can't sell the farm for a rental. Anyone think Morrow could handle playing on Datsyuk or Zetterberg's wing? Or would he be relegated to 3rd line playoff warrior duty?

I think Morrow can handle playing on Datsyuk's or Zetterberg's wing. In addition, he can play an effective bottom 6 grinding role. He's a complete player. No, he's not young anymore, but he can still play at an intense level.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:06 AM

With the moves(s) the Hawks are making, getting a combo of Morrow, Moen, and Rutuu would be an ideal situation. Giving up some picks along with Tatar, Andersson and hopefully Ericsson and/or Hudler would be the way to go.

Why not get all 3 ;)

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:59 AM

Toughening Up?

The Detroit Red Wings open the second half of the season as the top team in the league, and not surprisingly they're looking to add some talent at, or before, the trade deadline.

Gregg Krupa of the The Detroit News reports that the club is looking to get tougher with the playoffs looming, and head coach Mike Babcock revealed his wish-list.

"To me, if we could get another heavy winger, or heavy forward, or D - those would all be good things to help you," Babcock told the News.




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