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#61 LeftWinger

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:59 PM

Tatar I believe has much more potential than Nyquist... Nyquist is way more advanced now and NHL ready. It is just a gut call that Tatar superior skill set will translate to more goals in the NHL. Honestly, Gustav might end up getting more points with a more well rounded game. I just keep thinking Tatar is a first liner down the road, where as I keep seeing Nye as a second line guy.

I really don't want to lose either, and neither does Holland.

The new rumors have Kenny as being gunshy again to trade anything away.

I am just curious as to your take on Sheahan. Have you seen him play at Notre Dame? He is an absolute beast. I am not knocking you for listing him, hell I am ready to trade Franzen, we all have our reason's, but I was just curious to your analysis of him that lets you trade him with no problem...

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:00 PM

Filp has really grown on me. Now, everytime he gets the puck I get a tinge of excitement, almost the same way I do as when Datsyuk gets it. I find myself saying, "God, I love that guy" I see why his fellow countryman Teamu Seleanne is so impressed with him and says he does everything really well, everything.

Last night on HNIC After Hours interview with Taylor Hall they were talkiing about the Red Wings being 6-0 in the SO until Oil won last night, and Hall talked about how even all the way down to 5 deep in the SO the Wings still throw Filp at you.




HNIC cameras showed Holland and Kevin Lowe talking in a suite together for a long time and brought up the fact that while Khabibulin (sp?) is a known quantity thoughout the league, he needs a new home, and same with Conklin. They speculated that the talk was not just about Hemsky, but about Khabibulin too. Hmm.

I'm almost past wanting to trade Hudler. He's doing really well...but I still think he's too weak for playoff hockey. I still have too many memories of him getting knocked down and /or knocked off the puck.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:07 PM

My trade-able players from the big club are:

Hudler
Franzen
Ericsson
Kindl
Cleary
Mursak
Conklin
Emmerton

Players I would hate to see go:

Abdelkader
Miller
Eaves
Stuart
Commodore
Filppula

The rest just won't ever get traded or makes no sense to trade them...

In the prospects I don't know too much about most the guys, excpet I would never get rid of Sheahan or Smith. I do like Nyquist as well. Petr Mrazek and Marek Tvrdon also get my stamp of approval from the bits I have seen and heard about them. I guess the others that I have heard great things about and would hate to see go would be: Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Jurco and I hear nice things about Lashoff too, but have never seen him play. I wish I could see some Griffins games once in a bit to see these guys a bit more....

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:14 PM

Filp has really grown on me. Now, everytime he gets the puck I get a tinge of excitement, almost the same way I do as when Datsyuk gets it. I find myself saying, "God, I love that guy" I see why his fellow countryman Teamu Seleanne is so impressed with him and says he does everything really well, everything.

Last night on HNIC After Hours interview with Taylor Hall they were talkiing about the Red Wings being 6-0 in the SO until Oil won last night, and Hall talked about how even all the way down to 5 deep in the SO the Wings still throw Filp at you.




HNIC cameras showed Holland and Kevin Lowe talking in a suite together for a long time and brought up the fact that while Khabibulin (sp?) is a known quantity thoughout the league, he needs a new home, and same with Conklin. They speculated that the talk was not just about Hemsky, but about Khabibulin too. Hmm.

I'm almost past wanting to trade Hudler. He's doing really well...but I still think he's too weak for playoff hockey. I still have too many memories of him getting knocked down and /or knocked off the puck.

The Bulin Wall would be nice, but that is an expensive back-up. But it sure would solidify the goal-tending corps for the playoffs...at what price though? Conklin plus what?

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

My trade-able players from the big club are:

Hudler
Ericsson
Kindl
Cleary
Mursak
Conklin
Emmerton
Eaves
Commodore

Abby and Franzen available if big name coming back.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:19 PM

I am just curious as to your take on Sheahan. Have you seen him play at Notre Dame? He is an absolute beast. I am not knocking you for listing him, hell I am ready to trade Franzen, we all have our reason's, but I was just curious to your analysis of him that lets you trade him with no problem...



I covered this in the Sheahan thread... but in interest of disclosure. I have seen him play in person once. I have seen his play a few times on air... mind you mostly from last year. Nothing about him strikes me as a beast. I keep up on his stats and the scouting reports and nothing stands out either. Maybe I am missing something, but as of right now he has always been slated to be a fourth liner with potential top 9 forward ability. I have heard he has improved greatly over last year, but all the more reason to make him a trading piece.

You just have to realize, to get anything good you have to give up prospects. I am in love with almost all of our prospects as evident by the list I made. Size doesn't impress me much anymore because I have seen so many amazing players without it. If he could be used to bring back something to win us a cup, I would make the deal. I however don't want to give up these great prospects we have gotten like Pulk, Calle, Smith, etc.

I think this is all moot, as Holland doesn't seem to have the balls to move anything for anyone.
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This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

I covered this in the Sheahan thread... but in interest of disclosure. I have seen him play in person once. I have seen his play a few times on air... mind you mostly from last year. Nothing about him strikes me as a beast. I keep up on his stats and the scouting reports and nothing stands out either. Maybe I am missing something, but as of right now he has always been slated to be a fourth liner with potential top 9 forward ability. I have heard he has improved greatly over last year, but all the more reason to make him a trading piece.

You just have to realize, to get anything good you have to give up prospects. I am in love with almost all of our prospects as evident by the list I made. Size doesn't impress me much anymore because I have seen so many amazing players without it. If he could be used to bring back something to win us a cup, I would make the deal. I however don't want to give up these great prospects we have gotten like Pulk, Calle, Smith, etc.

I think this is all moot, as Holland doesn't seem to have the balls to move anything for anyone.

I agree, and I too believe you have to give to get. I like the prospects you listed, but I guess I am just a bit bias towards Sheahan considering I try to catch as many CCHA games as I can and am thoroughly impressed with him thus far this season. But ya, if it meant getting a Parise or Iginla or Perry, I would trade him, I'd hate to, but I would be ok eventually, especially if I get to see that Cup raised a few more times!

BTW, I hope you are wrong about Holland this month, after last night, it is SO evident that this teams needs a pure sniper AND a reliable back-up goalie...

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:03 PM

The Bulin Wall would be nice, but that is an expensive back-up. But it sure would solidify the goal-tending corps for the playoffs...at what price though? Conklin plus what?



I agree, he'd make a great backup but we don't want to have that kind of cap space sitting with a clip board all the time.

Is Hasek still playing somewhere? :huh:

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:15 PM

Here's a good Free Press article by Helene St. James about Ken Holland and Red Wings trade deadline moves.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:35 PM

Id trade Conklin for a Big Mac and a used home pregnancy test.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:55 PM

Here's a good Free Press article by Helene St. James about Ken Holland and Red Wings trade deadline moves.

So this means something will happen! Every year he says, we'd like to get bigger and get another top 6 forward and then nothing happens. Here he is saying he likes where the team is and nothing is in the works! Awesome! Can you say Blockbuster!!!!

In all honesty, if Holland feels this team is playoff ready and can really compete for the Cup, then we are in trouble. This team needs another tough bruising forward AND a pure sniper AND a reliable back up goalie. The power-play is like 1 for 40, Conklin just doesn't have it, and this team will not get by San Jose with a bunch of soft forwards...I certainly hope "Patrick Eaves coming back from injury is our trade deadline acquisition" is not going to be reported come 3pm Feb. 27.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:14 PM

So this means something will happen! Every year he says, we'd like to get bigger and get another top 6 forward and then nothing happens. Here he is saying he likes where the team is and nothing is in the works! Awesome! Can you say Blockbuster!!!!

In all honesty, if Holland feels this team is playoff ready and can really compete for the Cup, then we are in trouble. This team needs another tough bruising forward AND a pure sniper AND a reliable back up goalie. The power-play is like 1 for 40, Conklin just doesn't have it, and this team will not get by San Jose with a bunch of soft forwards...I certainly hope "Patrick Eaves coming back from injury is our trade deadline acquisition" is not going to be reported come 3pm Feb. 27.


Holland was VERY animated when he was shown talking to the Oilers' GM. I don't know if a trade is coming from that direction. Khabibulin is too expensive and after Kronwall leveled Hemsky and he was almost injured that takes him off the table (injuries being a primary concern for Hemsky). Unless it's someone nobody is expecting from the Oil, that is. They could be looking to add some veteran presence.

And if I can chime in on the Sheahan stuff, he's popular around here because he's gritty, but I've never heard any analyst say he's slated to be anything more than a 4th liner. No matter how much energy he brings, topping out at a 4th or 3rd liner means you're expendable.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

So this means something will happen! Every year he says, we'd like to get bigger and get another top 6 forward and then nothing happens. Here he is saying he likes where the team is and nothing is in the works! Awesome! Can you say Blockbuster!!!!

In all honesty, if Holland feels this team is playoff ready and can really compete for the Cup, then we are in trouble. This team needs another tough bruising forward AND a pure sniper AND a reliable back up goalie. The power-play is like 1 for 40, Conklin just doesn't have it, and this team will not get by San Jose with a bunch of soft forwards...I certainly hope "Patrick Eaves coming back from injury is our trade deadline acquisition" is not going to be reported come 3pm Feb. 27.

We can compete with the team we have now. We wouldn't be where we are in the standings if we couldn't. It's easy to watch our team all the time and identify areas where we could improve, but you have to remember that every team has weaknesses. Also, adding a player that looks like a good fit doesn't guarantee that said player will actually fix any weakness.

The fact that he's talking to other GMs shows that Kenny knows we can improve. There's just no reason to over-spend chasing any improvement, or make changes just for the sake of change.

To me, it doesn't seem like there's going to be that much on the market this deadline. Kind of sucks if that turns out to be true since this is the first time in four seasons that we've had the cap space to do anything. Hopefully something will present itself, but if not I won't lose any sleep. Unless it's for a star like Ryan, Parise, or Suter I wouldn't be giving up any good roster players or top prospects.

Draft picks. Spare parts like Commie, Conks, Miller, Eaves, Emmy, and maybe Mursak and Kindl. 2nd-tier prospects like Andersson, Tvrdon, Lashoff, etc. I'd see what I could buy with that, and if it's nothing, oh well.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

Ken Holland is one of the best in the business but with cap space available and LOTS of expendable assets in the minor system he is crazy if he stands pat this deadline. Our power play sucks and we may need a backup goalie.

Rick Nash please.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:39 PM

Ken Holland is one of the best in the business but with cap space available and LOTS of expendable assets in the minor system he is crazy if he stands pat this deadline. Our power play sucks and we may need a backup goalie.

Rick Nash please.


This team is in desperate need of a right-handed sniper, and besides being left-handed, there is no way Columbus will deal their franchise player.

I don't care what some people say, Jeff Carter would be the ideal acquisition.




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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

This team is in desperate need of a right-handed sniper, and besides being left-handed, there is no way Columbus will deal their franchise player.

I don't care what some people say, Jeff Carter would be the ideal acquisition.


Jeff Carter is of questionable maturity; he is injury-prone; his work-ethic is dubious; and he has an immensely long-term contract with a no-trade clause that kicks in next season. No thanks.

So this means something will happen! Every year he says, we'd like to get bigger and get another top 6 forward and then nothing happens. Here he is saying he likes where the team is and nothing is in the works! Awesome! Can you say Blockbuster!!!!

In all honesty, if Holland feels this team is playoff ready and can really compete for the Cup, then we are in trouble.


I doubt the fans of every other team look at the standings each morning and say, "Gee, the Wings are screwed if they don't re-tool before the playoffs!" Also, you bleated in this exact same manner in 2008 (and pledged, after the Cup win, to never do it again). Heh.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:02 PM

Jeff Carter is of questionable maturity; he is injury-prone; his work-ethic is dubious; and he has an immensely long-term contract with a no-trade clause that kicks in next season. No thanks.

Not that I'd be interested in Carter (because of the contract), but injury-prone? 4 out of 6 seasons with 80 or more games. 74 and 62 games the other two. He's had some bad luck this year, but he's not injury prone.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:08 PM

Not that I'd be interested in Carter (because of the contract), but injury-prone? 4 out of 6 seasons with 80 or more games. 74 and 62 games the other two. He's had some bad luck this year, but he's not injury prone.


Injury-prone may be pushing it, I suppose, but he's developing an unfortunate history of injuries to his knee and foot.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:29 PM

Jeff Carter is of questionable maturity; he is injury-prone; his work-ethic is dubious; and he has an immensely long-term contract with a no-trade clause that kicks in next season. No thanks.



I doubt the fans of every other team look at the standings each morning and say, "Gee, the Wings are screwed if they don't re-tool before the playoffs!" Also, you bleated in this exact same manner in 2008 (and pledged, after the Cup win, to never do it again). Heh.


Injury prone? Hardly. Questionable maturity? Maybe. But if he can keep putting up the goals that he has in the last 4 seasons(29, 46, 33, 36), I'll take his immaturity and that contract. Besides, Holland likes exceedingly long contacts.

Do you want the power play to improve? Do want a high-profile sniper and possibly not have to give up a boatload to get one? Do you want to win? Carter is the Shanahan type sniper(minus the fighting)that this team desperately needs. He would excel in Detroit, no doubt about it., and I would not be surprised if Holland does inquire about him.




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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:47 PM

Jeff Carter is of questionable maturity; he is injury-prone; his work-ethic is dubious; and he has an immensely long-term contract with a no-trade clause that kicks in next season. No thanks.



I doubt the fans of every other team look at the standings each morning and say, "Gee, the Wings are screwed if they don't re-tool before the playoffs!" Also, you bleated in this exact same manner in 2008 (and pledged, after the Cup win, to never do it again). Heh.

I am not doing it again....I said that usually he says we need something and then gets nothing, so now that he says we don't need much, it must mean we are getting something! Yay! I also said, I don't think this team as it stands can compete for the Cup, and I think that Holland would be wrong if he thinks it can. Can they prove me wrong? I hope so, but I am not bashing Holland or the Wings...(except Franzen and Hudler every chance I get.)

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