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#21 Barrie

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:02 AM

It'll be interesting to see how SJ does without Setoguchi. He was clutch for them in the last two playoffs and always made up for Thornton and Marleau sucking :hehe:
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:07 AM

I'm amazed the Preds aren't being mentioned. They have no stars up front, but the best pair of defencemen in the league and a world-class goalie. And a coach who constantly gets them playing above their abilities. I see both them and St. Louis as serious threats to come out of the west (along with the Wings and Canucks, moreso than the Sharks, Hawks and whoever else gets in) but if I had to pick between St. Louis and Nashville I'd say the Preds are likelier since they now have some playoff experience.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:22 AM

It'll be interesting to see how SJ does without Setoguchi. He was clutch for them in the last two playoffs and always made up for Thornton and Marleau sucking :hehe:

what's the status on havlat?

the sharks would be a lot easier to beat with 5 good scoring forwards instead of 7 like last year.

Edited by stinky fish taco, 13 February 2012 - 11:23 AM.

Helm is a perennial Selke candidate

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

I'm amazed the Preds aren't being mentioned. They have no stars up front, but the best pair of defencemen in the league and a world-class goalie. And a coach who constantly gets them playing above their abilities. I see both them and St. Louis as serious threats to come out of the west (along with the Wings and Canucks, moreso than the Sharks, Hawks and whoever else gets in) but if I had to pick between St. Louis and Nashville I'd say the Preds are likelier since they now have some playoff experience.

If they lose Suter at the trade deadline they won't look so hot.

But I did mention Nashville as a team that can cause trouble in the West. Imo the West is very open this year and it will come down to who matches up better against who.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

If they lose Suter at the trade deadline they won't look so hot.

they won't move suter if they're in a playoff spot at the deadline, and i don't see them falling out of one by then.

Helm is a perennial Selke candidate

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

Any team that makes the playoffs.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:05 PM

They can make it interesting in the first couple of rounds, but they won't be cup contenders.

The best I can see them being is like the 09 Blackhawks. Lots of spunk and promise, but will eventually be beaten by a team that is more talented and with more playoff experience. Despite the 3-0 shutout win, I think San Jose, Detroit, and Vancouver can bump them off.


Maybe.
The jury is out on how the bulk of the Blues roster will fair in the playoffs.

They did bring in Arnott and Langenbrunner, who both have loads of playoff experience and a couple cups (main reason why they were brought here).
Halak has been to the conference finals.
MacDonald has won a cup.
Jackman is a vet who has been in his share of playoff games...along with a handful of other guys.
But a chunk of the driving force of this team...Backes, Oshie, Perron, Petro, Shattenkirk, etc... have little if any playoff experience.

Oh, and Hitchcock has won a cup. San Jose and Vancouver's coaches have not. Advantage? Possibly.

No playoff predictions from me...other than it shouldn't surprise anyone of the Blues win at least a couple rounds. The playoffs are crazy...anything can happen, and it usually does.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:15 PM

I'm amazed the Preds aren't being mentioned. They have no stars up front, but the best pair of defencemen in the league and a world-class goalie. And a coach who constantly gets them playing above their abilities. I see both them and St. Louis as serious threats to come out of the west (along with the Wings and Canucks, moreso than the Sharks, Hawks and whoever else gets in) but if I had to pick between St. Louis and Nashville I'd say the Preds are likelier since they now have some playoff experience.


Aside from Fischer and Kostitsyn, has anyone else on the Preds had a deep playoff run?
Has anyone on their roster ever won a cup?
Trotz hasn't ever won anything.

With the addition of Arnott, Langenbrunner and Hitchcock (stanley cups) and with Halak having gone deeper into the playoffs than Rinne. I'd say the Blues have more playoff experience (and better) playoff experience than Nashville.
Not that that guarantees anything however.

Biased view...I know...but still.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:32 PM

I'm amazed the Preds aren't being mentioned. They have no stars up front, but the best pair of defencemen in the league and a world-class goalie. And a coach who constantly gets them playing above their abilities. I see both them and St. Louis as serious threats to come out of the west (along with the Wings and Canucks, moreso than the Sharks, Hawks and whoever else gets in) but if I had to pick between St. Louis and Nashville I'd say the Preds are likelier since they now have some playoff experience.


I feel that teams like the Preds, Blues, Kings will be tough and might make some noise knocking off some of the bigger teams, but I don't see them making it to the Finals, let alone win the Cup.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

Chicago should definitely be included. They'll make some kind of significant move at the deadline.

Really, it's too early to tell with the deadline still weeks away. There have been a lot of big names mentioned in trade rumors over the last month or so.

The playoffs don't begin tomorrow.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:19 PM

Alot of it depends on match-ups. Ideally, I'd like the Wings to play Minny in the first round if only for the shorter travelling. I know playing the Wild is mind numbing boring trap hockey. Last year the Wings swept Phoenix in the first round and lost to the Sharks the next round. The year before, they had to win a Game 7 against Phoenix and were eliminated by the Sharks in the 2nd round.

I think the Wings do have the talent to win the Cup but it will come down to how healthy their key players are. We really missed a healthy Mule against the Sharks and to me that was the difference in the series. I think we match-up better against the Canucks.

In the West I would say Detroit, Vancouver, San Jose, Chicago and Nashville all have a chance of coming out of the West. The Hawks look like crap now but we all know they will eventually turn it around. Guys like Toews, Sharp, Kane, Hossa, Bolland, Keith, Seabrook are too good not to. Goaltending will likely be their downfall as well as questionable depth. The Sharks have Joe Thornton and as long as he is there you can't like their chances too much. If someone can knock off Vancouver or Chicago for them then they could advance to the Cup Final. I think Nashville is a very dangerous team. They now have some playoff experience with solid coaching and 2 big studs on D and Rinne is one of the best goalies in the game. I think the Wings are better than them and would beat them. The Blues have a few vets who have been there but lack the experience overall to come out of the West. The Kings have all kinds of talent but no leadership.

In the East I still like the Bruins. That team is more built for the playoffs than any other team. Hunger will be their biggest test. Will they be willing to pay the price again after doing it last season? All the pieces are there. Horton has concussion issues but he was hurt in the SCF as well and they still won. When the refs put the whistles away, the Bruins beat teams up. Big Chara intimidates the B's opponents and his game is more valuable in the playoffs. The Rangers are really playing their defensive system very well right now. Their edge is in goal with Lundqvist. We can really see what he can do in the playoffs now that he will be rested and not worn out from playing every game. Richards is the #1 centre they really needed and Sather has done a very good job of developing his own young players. Callahan is one of my favourite players in the league. He goes out and does his job each night and works his ass off and leads by example. I see Gaborik not being very effective in the playoffs. His game is built on speed and there is not as much room on the ice in the playoffs. If the Pens get Crosby back healthy then that could put them over the top. Malkin is carrying this team on his back right now and even without Sid, they are a Cup threat.

My best educated guess is a repeat of last year. Bruins-Canucks BUT with the Canucks winning this time. I know Luongo is a choker and the Sedins were no shows versus Boston but it's a gut feeling. I just don't have much faith in the Wings road play to pick them in the playoffs. Hopefully I am wrong though!

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 13 February 2012 - 01:22 PM.

Jordan Tootoo will wreck shop.

We need someone like Parise that can penetrate the box.-blueadams

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:22 PM

The only teams that can win the Cup are the ones that make the playoffs.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:24 PM

The only teams that can win the Cup are the ones that make the playoffs.


Eklund, is that you?
Jordan Tootoo will wreck shop.

We need someone like Parise that can penetrate the box.-blueadams

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:28 PM

Eklund, is that you?


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Posted 13 February 2012 - 02:18 PM

I'd rank St Louis ahead of Nashville.

Trotz gets his way like Hitchcock. Turns mid-grade average guys into overachievers. Nashville hasn't had anything of "star power" on their first 2 lines since Arnott and DuMont were rolling the 1st line. Sure, Erat shows some skill, but without Rinne/Weber/Suter/Lindback manning the defensive zone, Nashville would be just above Edmonton and Columbus. Nashville needs a GM that will get them what they need. Not a 7 mil per year goalie.


St Louis has a coach heading the team in the right direction, a solid ownership forthcoming, and some promising young stars ready to go. With Halak and Elliott holding the fort, that makes prospect Bishop tradeable. Face it cprice, if he's not out of Peoria next year, he'll be in an NHL barn somewhere. Tampa could sure use a #1 goalie prospect right about now, and St Louis could use more shooters...which Tampa has a s*** ton of....Ryan Malone and a pick for Bishop and a pick?

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 02:57 PM

I'd rank St Louis ahead of Nashville.

Trotz gets his way like Hitchcock. Turns mid-grade average guys into overachievers. Nashville hasn't had anything of "star power" on their first 2 lines since Arnott and DuMont were rolling the 1st line. Sure, Erat shows some skill, but without Rinne/Weber/Suter/Lindback manning the defensive zone, Nashville would be just above Edmonton and Columbus. Nashville needs a GM that will get them what they need. Not a 7 mil per year goalie.


St Louis has a coach heading the team in the right direction, a solid ownership forthcoming, and some promising young stars ready to go. With Halak and Elliott holding the fort, that makes prospect Bishop tradeable. Face it cprice, if he's not out of Peoria next year, he'll be in an NHL barn somewhere. Tampa could sure use a #1 goalie prospect right about now, and St Louis could use more shooters...which Tampa has a s*** ton of....Ryan Malone and a pick for Bishop and a pick?

Bishop is a free agent next year and will be moved before the deadline...I've been saying that for months. I don't think he'll want to resign here with the Blues currently owning the best goaltending in the NHL. There's just no room for him here, especially after Elliott recently signed an extension. And after Halak and Elliott's time expire here...Jake Allen will hopefully be the guy...they have high hopes for him...as they should.

Bishop will draw interest as anyone who has been paying attention understands that he is NHL ready right now. If I remember correctly, his number's were slightly better than Elliott's in training camp (many were shocked he wasn't Halak's backup when camp broke). And he recently won honors as the AHL All Star game MVP...and is having a very good season in Peoria.

Bishop alone won't get "the guy" that the Blues need though. He'd have to be part of a package deal...and moving key guys from this roster may not be the smart move, unless you are getting a heck of a player in return.

With the sale of the team in transition, they won't be taking on any large contracts at the deadline...unless an outstanding deal falls in their laps.
However...with Perron getting hot, Berglund starting to turn it on a bit now, the return of MacDonald last game (who looked great) and Steen's return right around the corner, they may not need to acquire a 30-goal sniper. They are very, very deep offensively...they just don't have that marquee guy...and they may not need him if they stay healthy the rest of the way.

We'll see what Bishop brings in. I'll be shocked if he isn't moved. If he isn't moved, we'll lose him for nothing. He'll at least bring in a pick or a depth guy. I would say he could help acquire a salary dump type of player, but again, the Blues aren't going to be taking on any large salaries until the sale of the team is complete. And after that, who knows.

Edited by cprice12, 13 February 2012 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2012 - 03:12 PM

San Jose?
Eh...I don't see that at all.
Not saying they can't...but I think if they have a deep run it will be a little surprising, and if they win the cup I'll be very surprised.

And it goes without saying I'll say St. Louis should be included in the conversation.
Technically, they do have the best pts. earned per game in the West...and are on pace for 111.8 pts., which is also best in the West (just a tick ahead of Detroit's 111.3 pace). St. Louis does have a few more road games than most teams down the stretch though.
The only thing they have working against them is their scoring isn't what it needs to be...but they just got MacDonald back...should be getting Steen back soon...so some help is on the way.

Most of these teams will probably make some sort of move at the deadline to improve...so that plays a factor. The Blues, however, probably won't do anything big at the deadline...aside from probably moving top goalie prospect, Ben Bishop.


Actually no St. Louis need not be included b/c they are just a bunch of overachievers and they can't score and they rely too heavily on goaltending and will be gone by round 2 if they manage to get that far. Heck St.Losers hasn't won a round since 2002 if I'm not mistaken.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

Any of 16+ teams right. At the end of the regular season....any of 16 teams. I would never go on a limb and say only a,b,c,x,y, or z are capable of winning it all. I've seen too many intances of teams I never thought had a chance in the past.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

Actually no St. Louis need not be included b/c they are just a bunch of overachievers and they can't score and they rely too heavily on goaltending and will be gone by round 2 if they manage to get that far. Heck St.Losers hasn't won a round since 2002 if I'm not mistaken.

Well...to be fair, this team was supposed to break out a year or two ago, and didn't really do so until Hitchcock was brought in this year. How quickly Hitchcock turned it around is a bit surprising, so you could say it just shows how ready this team was to move to the next level.

So...how I like to look at it is...they underachieved the last couple years and are finally coming around.

They rely heavily on defense and goaltending.
Seemed to work quite well for New Jersey for years.
But does it matter? Winning is winning.

And I fail to see what the '01-'02 team, or the years since, has to do with this year's team.

St. Losers eh?

Uh...ok. If you say so.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:29 PM

Well...to be fair, this team was supposed to break out a year or two ago, and didn't really do so until Hitchcock was brought in this year. How quickly Hitchcock turned it around is a bit surprising, so you could say it just shows how ready this team was to move to the next level.

So...how I like to look at it is...they underachieved the last couple years and are finally coming around.

They rely heavily on defense and goaltending.
Seemed to work quite well for New Jersey for years.
But does it matter? Winning is winning.

And I fail to see what the '01-'02 team, or the years since, has to do with this year's team.

St. Losers eh?

Uh...ok. If you say so.


Yep St.Losers is right when your franchise has never won a Stanley Cup!





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