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[Hatethedrake!]

Stevie Y made a good trade here.

[LeftWinger]

I truly believe our options are so few and the prices are so high, we can't be involved in the deadline this year. We need to let the farm grow, and the youngsters on the roster prove themselves. Free agency the next two years has too much potential and too much on the line to risk our own adding pieces now.

I agree, and I am all for signing Suter and Parise over the summer, but damn I wish we could get someone to help this team on the road and their power play...I just don't see our team getting past San Jose or Vancouver if they stay pat. I hope I am wrong, but they aren't gonna win ALL their home games, they need to get that road and power play addressed....

[Hockey Convert]

I am all for signing Suter and Parise over the summer...

See, here's my concern about free agency; I'm all for Suter and Parise too, I think everyone can agree on that. The thing is, does anyone really think prices are going to go down this summer? After the whole Richards circus, I have to think that a) some team is going to be absolutely willing to give up assets to get the negotiating rights in both cases, and b) some teams are going to offer ridiculous money. I have to see it taking 8 million+ per year to sign one of these guys. The way contracts have gone in recent years, I just don't understand how anyone can realistically expect otherwise. And much as I love the Wings, I really don't see this "they'll want to play for Detroit because it's Detroit" being grounded in reality.

I understand and in principle support the "we don't overpay" mantra. My worry, though, is that Holland and we as fans are going to have to adjust what we think of as an "overpayment" for a top free-agent or top player in a trade. Maybe it's just me.

[LeftWinger]

See, here's my concern about free agency; I'm all for Suter and Parise too, I think everyone can agree on that. The thing is, does anyone really think prices are going to go down this summer? After the whole Richards circus, I have to think that a) some team is going to be absolutely willing to give up assets to get the negotiating rights in both cases, and b) some teams are going to offer ridiculous money. I have to see it taking 8 million+ per year to sign one of these guys. The way contracts have gone in recent years, I just don't understand how anyone can realistically expect otherwise. And much as I love the Wings, I really don't see this "they'll want to play for Detroit because it's Detroit" being grounded in reality.

I understand and in principle support the "we don't overpay" mantra. My worry, though, is that Holland and we as fans are going to have to adjust what we think of as an "overpayment" for a top free-agent or top player in a trade. Maybe it's just me.

I agree and see your concern. I think if Holland is to land one or both Parise and Suter he is gonna have to offer a ton of money and a long contract. But I surely hope he does and doesn't have that "We're Detroit" attitude, because it hasn't been working with the UFA's. Of course a Stanley Cup victory would make it a bit easier to sign them, and maybe even at a bit of a discount. Example being, Brad Stuart and Marion Hossa, both of which were UFA's after Detroit's 2008 win, and both of which took discounts to come/stay here. But ya, offer both $8M for at least 5 years apiece and if someone else gives them more money, so be it. At least Holland wouldn't be low-balling them...

[Hockey Convert]

But ya, offer both $8M for at least 5 years apiece and if someone else gives them more money, so be it. At least Holland wouldn't be low-balling them...

Yep, totally agree. Give a realistic offer. If Philly, for example, wants to go nuts again and blow up their team to offer $100M over 10 years... well, good luck with that; I'm absolutely fine with not trying to compete with outright fricking crazy.

I also agree though that if we could put up a cup win, or even just get them to Detroit, Holland and co. could bring them around to staying here for a reasonable rate. You never know.

[MidMichSteve]

See, here's my concern about free agency; I'm all for Suter and The way contracts have gone in recent years, I just don't understand how anyone can realistically expect otherwise. And much as I love the Wings, I really don't see this "they'll want to play for Detroit because it's Detroit" being grounded in reality.

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Evidently Detroit is currently the second favorite choice for players.

Worse yet, More players would rather play for Quenneville than Babcock.

Edited by MidMichSteve, 19 February 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[LeftWinger]

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Evidently Detroit is currently the second favorite choice for players.

Worse yet, More players would rather play for Quenneville than Babcock.

Yeah, by 1% and last season's poll had Detroit at #1. It is only obvious that if 15% of the players would want to play for Chicago, that their head coach would be #1 as well. OF course last season Bylsma was #1 with Detroit being #1...

...besides, that whole come to Detroit because it's Detroit has died down since the Cap era began. More parity in the league has led to more successful teams. But one thing cannot be denied, no matter who "wants" to come play here, the ones that do rarely ever leave and it hasn't stopped the Big Red Machine from being the most successful NHL franchise in the last 20+ years! Which is huge considering that the "CAP" and "PARITY" was supposed to bring Detroit Monster down to its knees...

...epic fail by Bettman. Maybe he will try again this summer...

[MidMichSteve]

Yeah, by 1% and last season's poll had Detroit at #1. It is only obvious that if 15% of the players would want to play for Chicago, that their head coach would be #1 as well. OF course last season Bylsma was #1 with Detroit being #1...

...besides, that whole come to Detroit because it's Detroit has died down since the Cap era began. More parity in the league has led to more successful teams. But one thing cannot be denied, no matter who "wants" to come play here, the ones that do rarely ever leave and it hasn't stopped the Big Red Machine from being the most successful NHL franchise in the last 20+ years! Which is huge considering that the "CAP" and "PARITY" was supposed to bring Detroit Monster down to its knees...

...epic fail by Bettman. Maybe he will try again this summer...

[LeftWinger]

Thank you... I guess to sum up my opinion, if a player doesn't have a desire to play in Detroit, then he is not Detroit material and would probably be worthless in our lineup...

I don't care how "great" the player is, if he doesn't think that he would have a greater shot at winning a Cup in Detroit than he would in LA then I feel sorry for the guy...and he will be just another perennial all-star that has never won a Cup. That makes for a great feel-good story come playoff time, but when that player's team is eventually eliminated, that is where the story ends...again. Not saying Detroit is the only place to go to win a Cup, but the past cannot be denied and if Detroit is not on every players top 5 list of places they'd want to play, then something is mentally wrong with that player...hell even Forsberg considered it but felt he would be betraying his fans and for that I actually give him credit. I would hate to see any of our "dynasty" players play for the Avs...

Edited by LeftWinger, 19 February 2012 - 10:56 PM.

[13dangledangle]

Its becoming apparent to me that every trade deadline/free agency from here on out have changed as we know it. There are far too many teams and such like needs and only handfulls of game changing players to fill them....I still get geared up every time but it just feels a little different in the past few. When I look at our prospects though I get uber stoked and can't believe we are only ranked #15 right now, Im putting a lot of my eggs into our scouters baskets at this point.

[Grim]

While its comforting to see this team has no glaring needs... things may change come may/june. Sure would be nice if Kenny can get someone that can contribute; especially if it can be done cheaply.

[Shaman464]

While its comforting to see this team has no glaring needs... things may change come may/june. Sure would be nice if Kenny can get someone that can contribute; especially if it can be done cheaply.

It'd be nice to get a veteran D-man and a borderline 2-3 line center, so Babs has more options for lines come playoff time.

[Hatethedrake!]

It'd be nice to get a veteran D-man and a borderline 2-3 line center, so Babs has more options for lines come playoff time.

I'd like to see Gaustad or Moen replace Emmerton in the line-up. Allen replace Kindl. But there are too many buyers right now and desperate teams like the Hawks will likely mortgage their future for quick fixes. Which is fine by me. I'm enjoying watching Stan Bowman run his team into the ground.

[Rivalred]

Not like it would happen, but if Raffie came out of retirement the PP issues would be fixed

[whitewolf406]

More in favor of not doing anything other than a lower line depth move. If we do anything major(for us)I hope and suspect Kenny will do something in line of the B. Stewart deal considering possible needs in the summer. I believe this route gives us what amounts to a rental with a greater than average chance to sign them in the off season. Who's a F/A or RF/A out there that you guy's think would be a good fit and VERY signable in that scenario?

[LeftWinger]

I still believe that with the way the team has been playing, our goalie issues are over, our defense is fine, all we need is someone to turn our power play around. Teemu Selanne. If Holland can get Selanne for a cheap price (if he is available) that would more than turn our power play around and in turn, turn our road record around. But if nothing is available at the right price, Holland will probably stay put and address whatever issues in the off season.

Edited by LeftWinger, 20 February 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[whitewolf406]

What about Carkner-OTT, Allen-CAR, Gilbert-EDM?

[wings1110]

putting commie in instead of kindl would bea good trade deadline move.

[Red Wings Addict]

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[Hank Dats 'N Homer]

Seems like the 27th should be a pretty busy day since its been so quiet leading up to this week...though as i type this im sure things will probably heat up with the days ticking away