2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 im just saying what he said , he said we have alot of travis moen's ... named abdelkader and helm and even said people dont know this alot but filppula hits alot , what i heard is they are looking for a skilled forward The only thing i can see happening now is something like a 2nd round pick, kindl and maybe some mid level prospect being available for this so called skill player mcguire says were looking for Oh I know you were repeating what Pierre said, I was commenting on that.. Wasn't flaming at you pal, sorry for the mixup.... Next time I'll add a "Pierre is a ******" to the comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) giving him away for nothing was the stupidest move ever.... also if their is a lockout next year that first round pick could turn out to be first overall... Edited February 21, 2012 by wings1110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Piche isn't an NHL d-man. So he's a throw-in that doesn't hurt the Wings in the slightest. This is a late, late, LATE (we're talking 26th overall max) 1st rounder for Quincey. Q's on pace for 33pts last time I checked and is an instant upgrade for our third pairing and 2nd PP unit. Hudler can move to the wing on the 2nd pairing, sliding Quincey into his place beside Kronwall. Don't forget that Quincey really bloomed as an NHL player since being waived by the Wings. Last week when I was scouring his stats (I made a case in a forum post for the Wings to trade for him) he was leading all Colorado d-men in ice time per game, points, goals and shorthanded points. I have to agree with others here. This is a good pickup. Back when Quincey was let go, I thought it was a mistake after watching him in Grand Rapids. At the same time though, decisions had to be made. He blossomed as a good 2nd line defenseman with his play for the Kings and Avalanche. I know people are bent out of shape over missing out on a first round pick, and I am on the fence about it. At the same time, if we chose to keep Quincey and he didn't blossom, people would be quick to judge about how much of a mistake it was. Edited February 21, 2012 by Nightfall 1 Byorski reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 How does this affect our cap space? Im not familiar with how trades midway through the season change the cap. I know he makes like 3 mill or so, does that all got towards our cap this year? How much space does that leave us if we were going to make a run at someone at the deadline still? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 giving him away for nothing was the stupidest move ever.... In short, its very easy to make a decision in hindsight. Everyone complaining about this trade is doing just that. 1 P. Marlowe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,934 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Some of you need to stop screaming like this is the end of the world. I guess in a way it's ironic; people are getting all up in arms about an iffy trade because they have almost never--if at all--had to experience an iffy trade of any sort during Holland's tenure as GM. Typical spoilage. +1! Listen guys, Piche' was never gonna make it here, Holland usually trades away his 1st rounders at the draft anyhow for more low rounders. The draft is a crap shoot and he prefers to draft lower to let the draft picks simmer in their Junior clubs and GRR until they are nice and ripe and ready for the NHL. How often does Holland draft NHL ready players? Exactly... This is a good move. Quincey is better than Kindl. Throws his body around more than Ericsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 im pretty sure we are DONE with our defense ... but if we trade kindl wouldnt we need another defensemen?? I was always under the impression we were going after a veteran defensemen with playoff experience and incase there is an injury i really dont wanna depend on mike commodore for the post season he's been a bust is there anyone out there that can be had for a late round pick?? jaroslav spacek? ( no i dont want him) again i think were done , just asking what you guys think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Prior to it everyone complained that that was one, if not THE, gaff of Holland's career. Now that he's back, he cost us too much. Make up your damn mind already. 2 LeftWinger and Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Oh I know you were repeating what Pierre said, I was commenting on that.. Wasn't flaming at you pal, sorry for the mixup.... Next time I'll add a "Pierre is a ******" to the comment. lol it's all good man , no worrys ... and yes pierre is a ****** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Good move! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 How does this affect our cap space? Im not familiar with how trades midway through the season change the cap. I know he makes like 3 mill or so, does that all got towards our cap this year? How much space does that leave us if we were going to make a run at someone at the deadline still? we still have about 20 million in salaries we could get so were fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Prior to it everyone complained that that was one, if not THE, gaff of Holland's career. Now that he's back, he cost us too much. Make up your damn mind already. You can't see how both of those are still valid? I don't know that I would even say he was THE gaffe. But clearly they were off in their evaluation of their young defenseman at that point. But that's not to say I thought Quincey was some absolute awesome defenseman the Wings had to get back. Like I said, I'm just meh. He's an upgrade over Kindl for sure. Can kill penalties. Plays on the PP. The move definitely improved our defense. 4 sleepwalker, Majsheppard and Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 C'mon guys, noboby belived that Detroit will be so good this season... Kenny is great architect, he traded LATE 1st rounder for Quincey - I think that we can agree that he's top 4 quality D. He will find suckers in Montreal/Islanders/Blue Jackets/Edmonton and trade Kindl for the 2nd rounder which will equal our 1st rounder. P.S. Note to Kenny, Ericsson for Peckhman and our DEF is fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 we still have about 20 million in salaries we could get so were fine I meant for this season. How much room do we have now if we were to try and get someone else before the deadline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Here is what really doesn't make sense. The wings gave up a pick AND Sebadtian Piche. The lightning were giving up Steve downie essentially for those 2 assets. I don't pay much attention to Tampa but he is pretty good right? So what gives? I don't think he was an essential piece. Plus he wanted a change of scenery. I'm thinking of the potential backlash from some Tampa fans, if they find out that Yzerman basically went out of his way, lost a player for a pick and an average prospect, just to help his old team. I get what you mean though, but I think he got exactly what he wanted out of it, and a little more by being smart and acting as a go-between. yes i watched hockey if you notice quincey is 6'2 200 +pounds , we didnt have alot of big guys in the back end back then , meech was 5'10 thats why i was so against getting rid of quincey for meech back then ... meech was -12 both seasons in detroit wouldnt say he was so good anyways let's just agree to disagree From the looks of it, you've referenced his height and weight roughly 100 times in this thread. It's irrelevant. Chara is tall, heavy, strong, and a great player. Martin St. Louis is about 4 foot tall, 90 pounds soaking wet, and a great player. You've glossed over the entire counter argument presented to you that Quincey wasn't playing well enough to keep a place over Meech. You've mentioned that he was -12 but have made absolutely no effort to argue why Quincey was so much better. That's like me saying "Coke is great because Pepsi sucks"... when in fact they could both suck, just one a bit more than the other. From a management point of view you don't waive the better player when there is a risk either could be claimed. You attempt to waive the worse player and hope for the best. Hindsight is 20/20. But he's back. So get over it. 2 Frozen-Man and Rebound reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2012 giving him away for nothing was the stupidest move ever.... What do you think we could have gotten for him? A sixth-round pick, perhaps? It's not like anyone knew that he'd develop into an effective defenseman. 2 sleepwalker and Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Sebastian Piche also headed to Tampa. That was just to get us under the fifty man contract cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Prior to it everyone complained that that was one, if not THE, gaff of Holland's career. Now that he's back, he cost us too much. Make up your damn mind already. If waiving an unremarkable defenseman who turned out to be a serviceable defenseman is THE gaffe of Holland's career, then he's done so brilliantly that nobody should be complaining. 4 55fan, Nightfall, Uncle Danny and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 You can't see how both of those are still valid? I don't know that I would even say he was THE gaffe. But clearly they were off in their evaluation of their young defenseman at that point. But that's not to say I thought Quincey was some absolute awesome defenseman the Wings had to get back. Like I said, I'm just meh. He's an upgrade over Kindl for sure. Can kill penalties. Plays on the PP. The move definitely improved our defense. I do, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 Kyle Quincey IS our deadline acquisition. better than it being our powerplay...oh wait thats our enforcer.... better than it being an injured player coming back into the line up!! 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2012 In short, its very easy to make a decision in hindsight. Everyone complaining about this trade is doing just that. Precisely. But if there's anything we've learned about Wings fans on this board, it's that many of them expect perfection where management is concerned. And that's because Holland and Co. are so excellent at their jobs that very few remember a time when the Wings made stupid personnel decisions. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 +1! Listen guys, Piche' was never gonna make it here, Holland usually trades away his 1st rounders at the draft anyhow for more low rounders. The draft is a crap shoot and he prefers to draft lower to let the draft picks simmer in their Junior clubs and GRR until they are nice and ripe and ready for the NHL. How often does Holland draft NHL ready players? Exactly... This is a good move. Quincey is better than Kindl. Throws his body around more than Ericsson. no one cares about piche , he was a throw in so the redwings could get under the 50 contracts max were allowed to have Cant dismiss the classic holland trades away 1st round pick for 2 later picks , its done us well ... anyways im not against quincey coming back i just dont think hes worth a 1st round pick ... no way in hell , i do think this spells the end of kindl in detroit though we'll see what happens with quincey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 So Holland decided to bring back the guy Ericsson was supposed to replace. I don't mind having him back, however, I'm timid about giving up a 1st round pick. I figured we'd keep that pick for our big fish at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 whenever i think of quincey i remember the def leppard incident, when they put the cup upside down. and when asked about the lead singer, chelios said: "And you know, Quincey (Kyle Quincey) was the only one that said he would have done something to him." welcome back, kyle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim.D 176 Report post Posted February 21, 2012 For reference: the Wings will have a plethora of cap space available at the deadline. They would just need to move contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
