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#41 13dangledangle

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:15 AM

As people have said Cleary played his first game back after two knee drains, not fun stuff. Cleary is NOT a goal scorer, he is a 3rd or 4th line grinder who is clutch and plays with a ton of heart. I don't know why all the Cleary hate, we have found out already prior to this maybe he shouldnt be on line 1 or 2 but he sure as hell should be on 3 or 4.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

He has been playing with that hurt leg for a while if he is healthy now he probably could use a week or two of time off just resting.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:30 PM

As people have said Cleary played his first game back after two knee drains, not fun stuff. Cleary is NOT a goal scorer, he is a 3rd or 4th line grinder who is clutch and plays with a ton of heart. I don't know why all the Cleary hate, we have found out already prior to this maybe he shouldnt be on line 1 or 2 but he sure as hell should be on 3 or 4.


cause the 3rd/4th line grinders are supposed to get the puck deep and cycle and grind in the corners, not give the puck up in the neutral zone 5+ times a game. cleary is guilty of that.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:05 PM

As it stands right now I have 0 faith in any of the Grand Rapids call ups doing anything for us this year if called up e.g. Nyquist, Tatar, Mursak, Smith. Even Emmerton who is in his first year sucks.

With that being said I demand that Kenny Holland use the cap space to sign Ryan Sutter and Zack Praise in the offseason b/c relying on the Grand Rapids guys is no longer an option anymore!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:22 PM

As it stands right now I have 0 faith in any of the Grand Rapids call ups doing anything for us this year if called up e.g. Nyquist, Tatar, Mursak, Smith. Even Emmerton who is in his first year sucks.

With that being said I demand that Kenny Holland use the cap space to sign Ryan Sutter and Zack Praise in the offseason b/c relying on the Grand Rapids guys is no longer an option anymore!


it's not really fair to assess the quality of the GR call ups and such like Nyquist, Tatar, Smith and even Mursak and Emmerton seeing as they get bottom 6 pairings and bottom 6 minutes which is about 6 minutes a game when they get called up. Nyquist and Tatar are top 6 style players, and Smith is a top 3-4 dman. Mursak and Emmerton are more geared towards 3rd/4th but aren't getting much ice time. some of the fault for the progression of the GR grads and call ups has to fall on the hard headed Babcock. he does not like playing those guys for some stupid reason and that's why i no longer get excited about call ups cause they play 4-6 mins a game and he bag drives Z, Dats, and flip.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:00 PM

it's not really fair to assess the quality of the GR call ups and such like Nyquist, Tatar, Smith and even Mursak and Emmerton seeing as they get bottom 6 pairings and bottom 6 minutes which is about 6 minutes a game when they get called up. Nyquist and Tatar are top 6 style players, and Smith is a top 3-4 dman. Mursak and Emmerton are more geared towards 3rd/4th but aren't getting much ice time. some of the fault for the progression of the GR grads and call ups has to fall on the hard headed Babcock. he does not like playing those guys for some stupid reason and that's why i no longer get excited about call ups cause they play 4-6 mins a game and he bag drives Z, Dats, and flip.


Well I am sure if the call ups from Grand Rapids showed them more in the few minutes they get then Babcock would play them more but year in and year out its the same old thing and then when 1 of them gets traded they become great e.g Ville Lieno.

Lets see this time next year if any of our so called Grand Rapids blue chippers are playing with the big club. If this keeps up why not have Kenny Holland unload these guys for established players as he did give up a first for a no nammer in Quency!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:16 PM

Well I am sure if the call ups from Grand Rapids showed them more in the few minutes they get then Babcock would play them more but year in and year out its the same old thing and then when 1 of them gets traded they become great e.g Ville Lieno.

Lets see this time next year if any of our so called Grand Rapids blue chippers are playing with the big club. If this keeps up why not have Kenny Holland unload these guys for established players as he did give up a first for a no nammer in Quency!


don't be surprised to hear that Calle Jarnkrok is close to coming over to be a Red Wing, or is he a no namer too?

kyle quincey made a name for himself once he got playing time with an NHL team.

2008-09, Los Angeles, NHL, 72games, 4g, 34a, 38pts, -5, 116 hits...

not half bad stats for his first year of playing time in the NHL. not his 7 games in 2 seasons with the Wings and 2pts. to call him a no namer is ludicrous. he had 29 pts the follwing season with the Avs which is less pts, but was a +9 which is +14 better than the previous year, so his defensive game is clearly more solid, and this year he's on pace for 31 pts in 75 games. that's not bad at all for a 4-6 dman.

do some research before you rag on guys and call them no namers. and p.s. as someone said earlier, nyquist is over a point per game in GR. that's better than some of the current roster players on the Wings managed. that to most would be top 6 material.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:28 PM

If that's the personnel we have (you forgot Cleary, who's still under contract), I'd expect to see something more along the lines of...

Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Filppula-Zetterberg-Hudler/*Parise*
Cleary-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Emmerton-Mursak/Eaves
Nyquist
Tatar

Lidstrom/*Suter*-White
Kronwall-Stuart/*Suter*
Quincey-Ericsson
Smith
Kindl

Howard
MacDonald
Mrazek





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Something's gotta give with our prospects - who are ready - breaking into the lineup somehow (Nyquist, Smith, Tatar).

I'd personally like to see us put a third scoring line together...

Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Filppula-Zetterberg-Hudler/*Parise*
Tatar-Nyquist-Mursak
Miller-Helm-Abdelkader
Eaves
Emmerton


...time to move the aging Cleary and his big contract while he's still got value to make room for the kids.


This would get scored on...a lot.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

Cleary has been real good tonight. Real good game.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:58 PM

^ Wow, seriously?????

He was really ordinary, really ordinary.

I love his constant, "cycle down low then pass it back to the defenceman" play which ALWAYS gets intercepted.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:04 PM

^ Wow, seriously?????

He was really ordinary, really ordinary.

I love his constant, "cycle down low then pass it back to the defenceman" play which ALWAYS gets intercepted.


That's funny, I don't usually here people complaining about cycling down low and kicking back to the defenseman when the Wings are leading the league in defense scoring. I thought Clearly was really good defensively and had a lot of jump in his skates tonight. He wasn't a game breaker or anything, but I never expect him to be. Good game Cleary.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:06 PM

^ Wow, seriously?????

He was really ordinary, really ordinary.

I love his constant, "cycle down low then pass it back to the defenceman" play which ALWAYS gets intercepted.


As I've said before, my favorite Cleary play happens on the rush. He skates the puck to the half-wall, stops, and fires an aimless slapshot towards the net, which 99% of the time results in killing our rush.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:15 PM

Also, his 5 shots on goal (tied for team high tonight), 3:05 PK time (lead all forwards), and increased defensive responsibilities (as opposed to his usual third line minutes). Of course you could choose to overlook the fact that buy his standards he had a pretty good game, and just keep bitching because for some reason he's not an offensive dynamo. Or...and just here me out here...or, you could cut him some slack, quite bitching, and acknowledge (quietly and to yourself), that he had a good game tonight. Whadda say?

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:44 AM

I say give Clears a few more games to figure out his state of health. Obviously a messed up knee prior and being post op now can definitely affect ones physical performance. If in the next few weeks hes still playing like poopoo then it may be time to consider having him work for his spot ALA Eaves and Miller, Emerton, Kindl and the others that have ready to go backups.

Cleary is there when he is needed, hes the one thats in place for the GWG on a tip in. He isnt Rafalski in the clutch (26 seconds to win the game Rafalski) but hes a game changer and a game winner when it counts.

Sadly, if he doesnt start stepping it up he is going to be a bigger liability than asset. I say that by Mid-March if he doesnt get with it that he needs to see reduced ice time or healthy scratches considering their are guys that can post up and not get run over the way hr has.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:22 AM

That's funny, I don't usually here people complaining about cycling down low and kicking back to the defenseman when the Wings are leading the league in defense scoring. I thought Clearly was really good defensively and had a lot of jump in his skates tonight. He wasn't a game breaker or anything, but I never expect him to be. Good game Cleary.

Ummm Cleary always does the play I mentioned, did you even read what I posted? Obvs not.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:32 AM

Also, his 5 shots on goal (tied for team high tonight), 3:05 PK time (lead all forwards), and increased defensive responsibilities (as opposed to his usual third line minutes). Of course you could choose to overlook the fact that buy his standards he had a pretty good game, and just keep bitching because for some reason he's not an offensive dynamo. Or...and just here me out here...or, you could cut him some slack, quite bitching, and acknowledge (quietly and to yourself), that he had a good game tonight. Whadda say?

Why would I acknowledge something that didn't happen? He didn't have a good game. He was average. It's not all his fault because he's not a top 6 forward and him filling in as one isn't really helping the team. He is what he is, a good defensive forward who belongs on the 3rd line.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:48 AM

I get wanting to see young guys or people from Grand Rapids more, but unless Cleary is injured beyond repair, which I am definitely not hinting or suggesting at, none of them are going to be called up ahead of him.

The Cleary disdain in here in general, while far from flooding the forums here, is still boggling. Some of you are nuts regarding the subject, and you know who you are.

I am not making him out to be more than he is, so you can save your keystrokes there. And spare us any "Cleary apologist" or similar responses.

Eventually when all forwards are healthy again, I think he is best suited for the 3rd line with Helm/Miller etc., but to say he isn't capable in more of a scoring role isn't accurate to me. The recent past of 2009 playoffs where he netted 9 and scoring 25+ goals last season attest that he is capable of such a role, even if his numbers don't quite show that this season.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

Why would I acknowledge something that didn't happen? He didn't have a good game. He was average. It's not all his fault because he's not a top 6 forward and him filling in as one isn't really helping the team. He is what he is, a good defensive forward who belongs on the 3rd line.


Unreal, you yourself just said that he's not a top six forward. So why, when he's filling in as a top six (which presumably means more minutes, responsibility, pressure, etc.), and out performing (statistically) all the other top six forwards (last night only), will you still not even acknowledge that he played ONE good game? Did Cleary give your sister an STD or something?

If you think he's an inadequate player to fill a roll, and then when he's asked to fill that roll for a game, he leads forwards in shots, pk time, and meets his defensive responsibilities, you should be the first to acknowledge that he had ONE good game. I would think that would be an easier pill to swallow than admitting that you constantly low ball Clearly for no good reason.

Edited by kipwinger, 24 February 2012 - 12:31 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:24 PM

Ummm Cleary always does the play I mentioned, did you even read what I posted? Obvs not.


No s***, A LOT of players cycle the puck down low and then kick it back to the defensemen. That's why our defensemen lead the league in scoring. Unless you're going to suggest that none of Cleary's 15 assists came from this play that you say he "always does". Apparently Cleary is to you, what a red cloth is to a bull. Your animalistic and reactionary hatred is only slightly less comprehensible than my willingness to stand in a ring and go round for round with you.

p.s. I know the bull thing is Spanish. I was going to try an Aussie thing for you, but I didn't know if Wallabies had any sort of instinctive and unexplainable hatred for things in the same way that bulls, and indeed you too, have.

Edited by kipwinger, 24 February 2012 - 12:31 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

I'm loving how everyone who supports Cleary on here cites, "well he's coming back from injury, and had his knees drained."

DUH!!!!!

That's his effing problem! He's always fricken hurt, and now he's even slower because of it.

He's a slow skater, never comes up with the puck. If he ever gets a breakaway he has no finesse. Like last night, he had a clear break... instead he was way too slow and the dman from the red line caught up to him after he had already crossed the blue line. So what does Cleary do? He fires a poorly aimed slapshot right into the goalie.

He shouldn't be making what he makes and be a 3/4th line guy, sorry, NO.

Pull your heads out of your arses. When I see Cleary in a foot race I KNOW he's going to lose. His shot doesn't make up for his lack of speed ala Hudler.
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