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#41 LeftWinger

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

Im sure it should be obvious but what is a logo hunter?

it is kinda obvious.....When he shoots the puck at the net, he hits the goalie right in the logo on a consistent basis. (when he gets it on net that is)

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:04 PM

So... they have scored points at relatively the same pace this season.

Hudler is playing for a good offensive team in Detroit (194 goals thus far) and Sammy has been playing the majority of the season in Florida, a mediorce offensive team at best (146 goals)

Hudler is a better playmaker, but playmaker was never really Sammy's game - he's more of a sniper.

Hudler is younger, but Sammy is bigger and probably still faster.

I'm not arguing either way as to who is better, but they are clearly comparable players, in my opinion and I disagree with your implication to the contrary.

I disagree with your mplications! Lol. Well, Hudler is younger and you may have used that argument about Florida 5 years ago, the current team is LEADING their division. The idea that you named Sammy as a sniper is a bit of a stretch, unless taking out the logo gets points.
Think what you want but I think Hudler offers more to this team than Sammy does and I still say HUDLER> SAMMUELSON
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:37 PM

I disagree with your mplications! Lol. Well, Hudler is younger and you may have used that argument about Florida 5 years ago, the current team is LEADING their division. The idea that you named Sammy as a sniper is a bit of a stretch, unless taking out the logo gets points.
Think what you want but I think Hudler offers more to this team than Sammy does and I still say HUDLER> SAMMUELSON


Look at the standings again. Winnipeg is currently LEADING what is a race between three mediocre-at-best teams to win by far the worst division in the league.

I didn't say anything about their record, though, or where they sit in the standings. I was referring to team offense. You were using this season's statistics to support your implication that Hudler and Samuelsson don't belong in the same conversation. I pointed out that their ppg for the season is actually pretty close AND that Hudler plays on a much better offensive team. I gave you the goal amounts... but maybe this will clear my point up for you - Detroit is currently 4th in the league in goal scoring, and Florida is 26th. So, the points would be fewer and further between for Sammy than they would for Hudler because Hudler's team scores much more often.

Let's go back to last year when Samuelsson was also on a team with a good offense....

Hudler - 73 GP 10 G 27 A -7

Samuelsson - 75 GP 18 G 32 A +8

Sammy scored 30 goals the year before that. Hudler's career high is 23.

Kind of makes the argument the other way... but the stats from those seasons aren't really the whole story, are they? Neither are the stats from this season.

As for the use of the word 'sniper'.... I didn't say he was Brett Hull. I was talking about his style of play. You said Hudler was a better playmaker - I agree, but Samuelsson is not a playmaker. I would also probably agree with you that Hudler offers more to this team that Samuelsson and that, at this point, "Hudler > Samuelsson"... probably mostly because of the age difference. All I am saying is that it is not that clear cut who is better. It seems to me that you just jumped on the 'I hate Sammy' bandwagon and now you are just regurgitating the Sammy bashing that was commonplace on LGW from 2005-09. Sammy and Hudler each have advantages over the other. They are different types of players. I like both of them

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

Look at the standings again. Winnipeg is currently LEADING what is a race between three mediocre-at-best teams to win by far the worst division in the league.

I didn't say anything about their record, though, or where they sit in the standings. I was referring to team offense. You were using this season's statistics to support your implication that Hudler and Samuelsson don't belong in the same conversation. I pointed out that their ppg for the season is actually pretty close AND that Hudler plays on a much better offensive team. I gave you the goal amounts... but maybe this will clear my point up for you - Detroit is currently 4th in the league in goal scoring, and Florida is 26th. So, the points would be fewer and further between for Sammy than they would for Hudler because Hudler's team scores much more often.

Let's go back to last year when Samuelsson was also on a team with a good offense....

Hudler - 73 GP 10 G 27 A -7

Samuelsson - 75 GP 18 G 32 A +8

Sammy scored 30 goals the year before that. Hudler's career high is 23.

Kind of makes the argument the other way... but the stats from those seasons aren't really the whole story, are they? Neither are the stats from this season.

As for the use of the word 'sniper'.... I didn't say he was Brett Hull. I was talking about his style of play. You said Hudler was a better playmaker - I agree, but Samuelsson is not a playmaker. I would also probably agree with you that Hudler offers more to this team that Samuelsson and that, at this point, "Hudler > Samuelsson"... probably mostly because of the age difference. All I am saying is that it is not that clear cut who is better. It seems to me that you just jumped on the 'I hate Sammy' bandwagon and now you are just regurgitating the Sammy bashing that was commonplace on LGW from 2005-09. Sammy and Hudler each have advantages over the other. They are different types of players. I like both of them


Yes Sammy did score 30 goals 2 SEASONS AGO while playing with thef****** Sedins. He will never achieve that again in his career and especially not on this team. Give it up, Samuelsson is not what this team needs

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:45 PM

Quincey is plenty for reunion week in Detroit this season.

I don't hate Sammy, I just don't want him back. Sorry.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:00 PM

Yes Sammy did score 30 goals 2 SEASONS AGO while playing with thef****** Sedins. He will never achieve that again in his career and especially not on this team. Give it up, Samuelsson is not what this team needs


Yes, and Hudler has NEVER scored 30 goals - with anybody. And I never said Samuelsson is what this team needs, did I? Does anyone actually read posts around here?

The guy was making an argument that Hudler was leagues better than Samuelsson ever thought about being. I disagree with that line of thinking so I used some statistics to make the other side of the argument, much more convincingly than he did, in my opinion.

I didn't say Samuelsson was the best thing since sliced bread. Or that he was what this team needs. Or that we should trade for him. OR that he is better than Hudler. I said - Samuelsson and Hudler are different types of players and I was making the argument that they are of comparable value and skill level. Hudler is a better playmaker and is younger. Samuelsson is bigger, a better defender and (I think) has a better shot than Hudler. I think that 'Jiri Hudler is WAY better than Mikael Samuelsson' is a false statement.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:29 PM

Say what you want about the guy, but the fact is he's a winner. Teams he is a part of win. I'm not saying I would be thrilled to have him back, because his logo hunting from every part of the offensive zone irritated the s*** out of me just like it did everyone else. But, it wouldn't be the worst thing. Much rather have a Dustin Brown, but since that most likely aint going to happen..........
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

did someone in this thread really say they'd rather have Samuelsson the LOGO HUNGER than Jiri Hudler who is having a bounce back year? Wow I really hope he doesn't come here...just... no.. we don't need ANOTHER really streaky non physical forward.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:38 AM

I like Sammy, and for all the accurate ridiculing of him being a logo hunter, he still scored a LOT of clutch goals for us. That being said, he doesn't really do anything Hudler doesn't already do, and Hudler is younger and on the upswing. I'd rather keep Hudler. Also, Sammy doesn't add anything the Wings need, except for he's a right hander, isn't he?

I think it's a smoke screen, or else the media is just jumping to conclusions, thinking Holland is just picking up old Wings.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

I like Sammy, and for all the accurate ridiculing of him being a logo hunter, he still scored a LOT of clutch goals for us. That being said, he doesn't really do anything Hudler doesn't already do, and Hudler is younger and on the upswing. I'd rather keep Hudler. Also, Sammy doesn't add anything the Wings need, except for he's a right hander, isn't he?

I think it's a smoke screen, or else the media is just jumping to conclusions, thinking Holland is just picking up old Wings.

He would be fine as a PO rental. Plus I disagree - Sammy is better in the PO lineup than Hudler, bigger stronger. There is no upswing to Hudler - we have already seen all that he can (and can't) do. He is a decent 3-4 line role player - and too expensive of one at that.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

I'm pretty sure that this is just media speculation. But if Sammy can be had on the deadline for future considerations, yay.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

Every now and then we have a player I can't stand, Sammy was one of those guys that always bothered me....Even more after he went to Vancouver. If he comes back here I'll have to question Kenneth.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:51 PM

it is kinda obvious.....When he shoots the puck at the net, he hits the goalie right in the logo on a consistent basis. (when he gets it on net that is)

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I remember watching him in the playoffs in 09. I know he's no defenseman but he is a huge defensive liability even as a forward.

Edited by Jocke, 25 February 2012 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:57 PM

I was happy for his service to us on the bottom 6 (and that was with Val there as well, goodness we were stacked), so don't tarnish a good outing that got you a cup. Leave history be. I'm glad we've got people like Helm and Miller and Eaves in the bottom 6 so as not to need this guy back.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:02 PM

Sammy put up a big couple goals against the Pens in the cup run and an OT goal against the Hawks, so he is ok by me. We wouldn't be counting on him to get us there, just to help us win it. He has done that before. His defensive deficiencies were only glaring because we used his right hand shot on the point on the PP. Now with Ian White doing a fabulous job, Sammy wouldn't be killing shinguards on the blueline. Just please not long term though.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:33 PM

f*** no to him.... couldn't stand him for every 1 big goal he would do 50 bonehead plays (horrible pp point, shooting instead of passing, lazy backchecks etc...) stay away!!!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

I have a feeling Detroit will end up getting Samuelsson. Holland is very big on players knowing Detroit's system and fitting in well. So you can move those players to the top of the list. Just putting a fresh face in the lineup doesn't mean it will work regardless of who it is... unless you are talking about a star player like Datsyuk.... and especially if there is only 6 weeks to go in the regular season.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

I don't think he'll be coming back, but everyone on here dislikes him somewhat unfairly. Yes, he took a lot of bad shots, but when you have an offense of playmakers sometimes you need someone who will just get into a decent position and shoot the puck when he gets it. Not to mention his habit of coming up big, like in Game 1 of the 2008 SCF.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

I still don't get why people hated Sammy so much when he was here. Yeah he was a logo hunter and shinguard assassin, but like I said, for the money he was a steal.

19 goals 40 points in 09
11 goals 40 points in 08
14 goals 34 points in 07
23 goals 45 points in 06

His contract was $1.2 million for all those seasons except 06, when it was $537,000.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

I still don't get why people hated Sammy so much when he was here. Yeah he was a logo hunter and shinguard assassin, but like I said, for the money he was a steal.

19 goals 40 points in 09
11 goals 40 points in 08
14 goals 34 points in 07
23 goals 45 points in 06

His contract was $1.2 million for all those seasons except 06, when it was $537,000.


Why? It's easy: people here are so accustomed to success that anyone who obviously isn't perfect is declared garbage. I still remember the amount of whining that was had about Kopecky in '08-'09.

Edited by Crymson, 25 February 2012 - 07:53 PM.






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